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disneyfan1313
05-18-2001, 06:16 PM
Yep, thats right! I just rode the Magic Carpets of Aladdin. They had a short time <less than 1 hr period> where CM's could ride so of course I ran over and did it! It was ALOT of fun, the carpets are very nice and colorful. The 2 seats in the front control the up and down motion just like dumbo and in the back 2 seats there is a special scarab icon that when you rock it back and forth it makes the carpet roll forwards and backwards slightly, kinda like if you were on a wave. With both motions going at once it is tough to feel the rocking one but it is very cool none the less. There are 2 spitting camels in the ride, one over the entrance icon that spits on those folks coming into line and also one on the side by frontierland that spits but not really hard enough to get the folks in the vehicles wet <atleast not yet!>. Below the carpets is a pool of water in the ground which is being fed by more water spitting camel fountains at the base. The ride is VERY beautiful and very well detailed.. It is sure to be a hit. Plus this has a higher capacity than dumbo so lines should be shorter. The one downside I did see, it has a very long que.. But it is not covered! The opening of the ride has been delayed from the 21st until the 23 as of now.

Kraken
05-18-2001, 07:06 PM
I can picture myself riding that:"Boring, I'm going downtown to IOA" Those rides just aren't very fun.
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ChrisFL
05-18-2001, 07:42 PM
Hmm, water spitting on guests in a turning up and down tyre attraction. Gee, sounds a heckuva lot like a certain ride at IOA.
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<BR>One Fish, Two Fish, anyone?

Kraken
05-19-2001, 12:56 PM
Yea, Copycats.

coaster man098
05-19-2001, 01:03 PM
o plese, some people here are being real hippocrits. u critizise disney for copying one small effect, while IOA stole a whole island. and anyway, camel's spit, camels were in the movie, so its not really copying, it could just be considence (not likey

DBCooper
05-19-2001, 01:27 PM
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<BR>o plese, some people here are being real hippocrits. u critizise disney for copying one small effect, while IOA stole a whole island. and anyway, camel's spit, camels were in the movie, so its not really copying, it could just be considence (not likey
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<BR>Uh, what island would that be, exactly?
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<BR>Let's review: Seuss Landing was authorized by the Seuss (Geisel) estate, and supervised by Dr. Seuss' widow.
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<BR>Jurassic Park was a Universal film.
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<BR>Toon Lagoon is based on cartoon and comic strip characters owned by Universal.
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<BR>Marvel Super Hero Island is fully licensed to Universal by Marvel Comics, itself now a division of Toy Biz, which manufactures many of the toys sold in the shops there.
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<BR>The Lost Continent is heavily based on Greek myth, Arabian literature, and medieval fantasy stories, all of which are squarely in the public domain.
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<BR>Tell me which of these they "stole."

Flutie385
05-19-2001, 05:26 PM
City Walk?!?!

Kraken
05-19-2001, 06:44 PM
Some people think IOA ripped off Dueling Dragons, just because Disney was going to have a dragon themed roller coaster at Animal Kingdom(which was not ever announced, but was just a rumor) But do you think Disney would install anything nearly as intense as Dueling Dragons? Admit it Disney fans, Disney copys. I could see if this ride came out when the movie did, or 5 years after the movie, but it showed up after IOA opened.
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disneysweans
05-19-2001, 11:44 PM
Um, Disney invented themed lands, so you could consider that copying. Second, the first tubular steel coaster was at Disney (Matterhorn) so that's also copying. The idea for Spiderman can be traced back to EMV vehicles used for Indiana Jones and the Temple of the Forbidden Eye and CTX (more copying). I could go on, but I won't, so maybe you should stop talking now.

robvia
05-20-2001, 07:17 AM
Hey DisneyFan, try this board, you'll get a better reception over there.
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<BR>The reason people (including me) are bashing Disney is because we want tall, fast, long, roller coasters. Yes, they came up with some innovative stuff. But other parks have caught up and Disney hasn't done anything for the thrill riders here in Orlando lately. They need some more thrill rides at MGM. Each park only has a couple big rides, they're spread out. Everyone is going to IOA instead, you get all the rides in one park.
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<BR>Whatever, we're just frustrated. Go over to that board and your post will be appreciated.

B&MAaron
05-20-2001, 10:08 AM
hey disneysweans, are you telling me that every steel coaster ever built is a copy off the Matterhorn? The spiderman vehichles are so much differnt than the EMV's. I hate all these Disney people bashing spidey cuz they're jealous. You know Mr. Eisner is sobbing right know cuz people have found an alternitive to Disney. And to think this is only the begginng! Soon Mark Woodbury and his crew will complete plans for another park, probably in California to blow DCA out of the water.(Come on, u know DCA sucks, half their rides are recycled)

hulkster
05-20-2001, 01:54 PM
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<BR>Hmm, water spitting on guests in a turning up and down tyre attraction. Gee, sounds a heckuva lot like a certain ride at IOA.
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<BR>One Fish, Two Fish, anyone?
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<BR>one fish one fish, up up up, two fish two fish, down down down...

disneysweans
05-20-2001, 07:07 PM
"are you telling me that every steel coaster ever built is a copy off the Matterhorn? The spiderman vehichles are so much differnt than the EMV's"
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<BR>NO. I NEVER said that every steel coaster is a copy of the Matterhorn. What I said is that Matterhorn was the FIRST tubular steel roller coaster. Also, I never said that the spiderman vehicles were EXACTLY the same as EMVs. What i DID say was that they can be traced back to and are quite similar to EMVs.
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<BR>Thirdly, why would I be jealous of Spiderman? I will admit that it is one hell of a ride, but there are much better rides on earth.

PatMan007
05-20-2001, 08:49 PM
You guys shouldn't be bashing disney the have the most popular parks in the world and are for the entire family not just the thrillseekers, but have rides for them too.

ChrisFL
05-20-2001, 10:54 PM
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<BR>Thirdly, why would I be jealous of Spiderman? I will admit that it is one hell of a ride, but there are much better rides on earth.
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<BR>Well, they ain't at any Disney park!
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<BR>And EMV's can be traced back to simulator rides.

Chris Penney
05-20-2001, 11:34 PM
Let me share my views on a number of issues brought up in this thread. First of all, it is wrong to bash Disney for not installing any TRUE roller coasters. If Disney were to start installing inverted coasters left and right, they would have NO interest in building any more of the dark rides that BRING THE PEOPLE IN THE GATES. It would be the McDonaldisation of Walt Disney World. I love Coasters as much as the next guy, but quite frankly, they don't belong in WDW unless they are themed at least adequately well (READ- indoors if pylons are showing, ala RnRC). We know how Eisner is, and by giving him the idea that going even MORE CHEAPER might satisfy even a MINUTELY SMALL portion of Disney's target audience, he will take that idea and never look back. Anyway, Spiderman is a GREAT ride, and I don't think that it can be compared to an EMV style ride. Using that logic, every dark ride in Disney is a clone of Coney Island. Nothing is a "clone" of anything unless it is essentially the same ride system with minimal theming changes. No matter what I hear, Aladdin is the same as Dumbo which is the same of whatever that is in DAK. No matter what the vehicles decide to spit at me, I still have no interest in waiting upwards of an hour waiting in line for a 2 minute ride. Anyway, I realize that some people have no interest for theming on coasters, but I on the other hand seem to think that the majority of those people would not MIND the addition of theming, but there will be a lot more customers turned on by the idea of theming than would be by the look of JUST a plain 230 foot pylons and beams highway to the sky.

DBCooper
05-21-2001, 12:23 AM
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<BR>City Walk?!?!
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<BR>CityWalk isn't an island. In fact, it's not even in any of the theme parks. If you're going to say it's a copy of Downtown Disney, I say it isn't for the simple reason that DD is just a huge shopping mall with a nominally Disneyesque theme.
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<BR>I mean, come on--do you really think Disney can literally claim ownership of giant shopping malls? Mall of America would be able to claim that first, anyway.
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<BR>And as far as Disney "inventing" themed areas--this isn't exactly a "light bulb" type invention that can be patented. It can be copyrighted and trademarked, of course--but that just means that Disney's particular <i>executions</i> of the concept are protected.
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<BR>Themed areas as a concept are much closer to the idea of the wheel than the light bulb--and even if patent offices had existed when the wheel was first made, no patent would likely have been issued. Wheels, like themed areas, are too elemental a concept.
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<BR>Oh, and besides, considering the entire <b>town</b> of Dodge City themed itself as a tourist attraction sometime before Disneyland was even announced, I'd say Disney wasn't the first one to come up with the idea.
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<BR>Now, as I recall, this topic was actually about the "Aladdin" ride. SO... how was it, Disneyfan?

ParkFreak
05-21-2001, 12:44 AM
Golly, and I was just wondering what the Magic Carpets of Alladin were like, why did this topic denegrate into a Disney vs. IOA vs. thrill riders debate?????????????
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<BR>Thank you Disneyfan1313 for leting us know how the ride is. If this site is only for those interested in thrill rides then let the moderators and webmasters say so. If that's what they want (and face it, they are the ones paying for the site) then let us know. I will be the first to evacuate and never check it out again. If they want people to give their opinions about any new rides, no matter how lame others may view them, then shut the hell up about Spiderman and one fish two fish and who thought of what ride first! We are talking about Aladdin here!

ChrisFL
05-21-2001, 10:56 AM
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<BR>Well, this IS Thrillride.com, and if you want to discuss flat rides, there IS a flat rides message board.

ParkFreak
05-21-2001, 12:21 PM
Then shouldn't the moderators have moved this topic to the appropriate board ages ago?

B&MAaron
05-21-2001, 04:06 PM
"NO. I NEVER said that every steel coaster is a copy of the Matterhorn. What I said is that Matterhorn was the FIRST tubular steel roller coaster"
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<BR>"Second, the first tubular steel coaster was at Disney (Matterhorn) so that's also copying.
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<BR>You actually did say that, or maybe you mean it was just the coasters at IOA that are copying cuz u dont like IOA. I'm not mad though becuase Disney will never get a B&M cuz not only do they not want thrill rides, but B&M will never work with them cuz imagineers want control of everything.

disneysweans
05-21-2001, 04:54 PM
Copying in a sense moron! Really every coaster on earth could be considered a "copy". (in case you were wondering, I was being facetious with that remark) Why do you think I don't like IOA?????<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: disneysweans on 2001-05-21 16:57 ]</font>

B&MAaron
05-22-2001, 06:52 PM
Okay I guess you meant that IOA "copied" everything else you said "in a sense" MORON!
<BR>I don't think you like IOA cuz you were bashing it so much with all the"they copied Disney, in a sense" MORON!

Robert Walker
05-22-2001, 07:10 PM
Please don't bash other users. We would like to have each user express their own beliefs on this forum. B&MAaron this message is addressed toward you.
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<BR>Lets try to respect each other with their posts.
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B&MAaron
05-23-2001, 05:28 PM
Sorry about that i got a bit out of hand, but he did start that moron stuff and really turned this into an argument.

disneysweans
05-23-2001, 06:09 PM
Actually, Kraken started the argument by saying that Disney is stupid, I told him it isn't, and then you told me it is, etc.

Amy
05-23-2001, 06:48 PM
Grow up people...please. I love Disney, and I think that people on this board should have a lil bit of maturity in them, and not start a fight with people they dont even know just because they like something different.

Swimming King
05-23-2001, 07:08 PM
Disney isn't copying IOA nearly as much as they are responding to a need. Dumbo at the Magic Kingdom is insanely popular, and has long lines all day. Now there's a few ways you can take care of this. 1: build a huge dumbo ride that triples ride capacity.
<BR>2: tear out dumbo, and make everyone forget about it (not gonna happen)
<BR>3: build numerous Dumbo like attractions with equally good themes like the Astro Orbitor, Aladdin, and the Dino ride thingy going in at Animal Kingdom.
<BR>And wouldn't Universal be copying Disney by using the great theming? Disney eas the first to use such theming in Disneyland, which spurred on Universal. Universal has copyed alot of other attractions off of Disney as well. Terminator 2 3D came after Honey I Shrunk The Audience. Dudley Do Right's Ripsaw Falls came after Splash Mountain. Universal Studios Florida came After The Disney-MGM Studios. Who's the bigger copycat now?!?!?!?!?

Swimming King
05-23-2001, 07:09 PM
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DBCooper
05-23-2001, 07:40 PM
Hmmm.
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<BR>This thread really has left the track (pun most sincerely intended).
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<BR>I can only speak for myself here, but I think the reason I was ridiculing Aladdin not because it's derivative (I mean, ANY ride is based on previous ideas and technology; it's how the ride is implemented that makes a difference), but because Disney executives who talked with the press seemed to ignore the fact that Universal already had built a similar concept into the "One Fish, Two Fish" ride at Islands of Adventure. If I at any time accused Disney of ripping anything off, or if I seemed to, I apologize; that was not my intention.
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<BR>However, I'm a little shocked at people who a) feel the need to give Disney credit where none is due (Disney didn't invent the theme park any more than Edison invented the light bulb; both of them simply came up with an implementation of an existing concept that worked very, very well); and b) call everyone else copycats.
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<BR>I feel very strongly that calling Universal (or anyone else) copycats because they build theme parks would be like calling a new car company a copycat of GM just because said new company also builds trucks.
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<BR>Again, this is just my opinion. Say what you will.
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IslandKG
05-23-2001, 09:11 PM
Ahh, the old dragon/unicorn story. This has circulated through many websites, forums, and even journalists. The story is that Universal received the idea for a dragon attraction and a unicorn attraction from Disney. At least, that's how the story goes.
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<BR>Here is a quote from a different forum which is very well-written. Go ahead and read through it, it's pretty interesting:
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<BR>"When Animal Kingdom was still in its planning stages (many years ago), Disney gave surveys to the people of Florida, asking them what they would really like to see implemented in a Disney park. The #1 response? A place to see dragons and unicorns.
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<BR>The Dragon's Tower was supposed to be the attraction that everyone left the park talking about...
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<BR>...until Eisner made some layoffs. Some of the disgruntled Imagineers went looking for jobs at Universal, and they took Disney research and plans with them. When Universal hired them, they approached the ex-Imagineers and asked them if they had any ideas for the upcoming Islands of Adventure theme park. Boy oh boy, did they ever.
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<BR>This is how Dueling Dragons, and eventually The Lost Continent were born. Universal "borrowed" Disney's ideas and research, and beat Disney to the punch. It's a perfect example of how cutthroat this industry can be. Now, I do think that Universal did a good job with Dueling Dragons, the castle in particular. But the other thing people wanted to see in Orlando--unicorns--was given a rather dull fate. It took the form of a kiddie coaster, right off the shelf. A unicorn attraction could have been <!-- BBCode Start --><I>sooo</I><!-- BBCode End --> much better if Universal had put more time and effort into making it great--but they were racing against the clock to be the <!-- BBCode Start --><I>first</I><!-- BBCode End --> park to introduce both dragon and unicorn rides..
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<BR>So now, bleak as it is for Disney, if they go ahead with the Dragon's Tower concept for Animal Kingdom's 10th anniversary it will appear to the public that they are copying off of Universal. Even though that couldn't be further from the truth.
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<BR>So there it is. I don't think this story should add to the argument; I just think it illustrates how cutthroat the amusement industry can be. Like any other industry, you know? You can't wait around or someone else will beat you to your idea.
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Robert Walker
05-23-2001, 09:58 PM
IslandKG,
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<BR>What you posted isn't exactly what happened with Animal Kingdom. They did have planned for a dueling coaster, the layoffs did happen. But the part of the story that is the true part was left off.
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<BR>I was working at Disney during the opening of Animal Kingdon. Beastly Kingdom was the land that was to house the coaster along with a couple of other thrill rides, that I don't know anything about. But, when the plans were drawn up everything was running smoothly for the park as it sits with the exception of Camp Mickey, Minney. That land was NEVER there.
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<BR>The plan was being approved by all the groups that had to do it until it hit the last group. This group was the marketing group. Of course the only thing on their minds is the money. They said that there was no place for caracter greetings and caracter shows. They specifically pointed at Beastly Kingdom and said that has to go.
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<BR>I know that alot of the Imagineers hated to get rid of that part of AK. This was their favorite part of the park. They did what they were told, they threw together Camp Minnie/Mickey. If you really look at all the buildings and structures they are all temporary. They can be torn down in less than 30 days and relocated with no problems. It is and still is the plan to add in Beastly Kingdom and to add the dueling coaster.

Rider
05-23-2001, 11:28 PM
Just a quick comment here. ALL of Disney's parks (even Paris) have the most visits a year. They are on top. Cedar Point and Six Flags dont even make top ten (maybe, I saw it a few months ago). Disney don't need rollercoasters and thrill rides. They are winning with what they have now. And it is smart, if you are winning, to keep doing what you are doing.
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<BR>Don't get me wrong, I would love to see coasters at Disney.

Swimming King
05-23-2001, 11:46 PM
I couldn't agree more rider!

Cheesy
05-24-2001, 12:10 AM
You guys are all such whiners. Amusement parks copy each other all the time. It's called competition. I think the way this whole argument got started was by someone saying the Alladin ride copied ONe Fish Two Fish by doing the water effects. First off, One Fish Two Fish uses the water almost as a puzzle to go along with the ride. Alladin doesn;t have a song to tell you where to move. Also, if I remember correctly, Disney World had the whole spitting camel thing going since Alladin came out. So that should end the argument.

DBCooper
05-24-2001, 12:50 AM
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<BR>Also, if I remember correctly, Disney World had the whole spitting camel thing going since Alladin came out. So that should end the argument.
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theriddler
05-24-2001, 01:36 AM
this is so stupid. first, how did u guys get to the poitn where earlier you were sayign how disney is copying universal? Universal has copied Disney left and right, and disney copies everyone left and right. I f you wanted to look back, Disney, in its enormous entirety, has probably stolen SO many ideas, but so has everyone else. About the rollercoasters not being at Disneyland.
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<BR>Comparing Disney and universal is like apples and oranges. whe nwill people learn that rollercoasters ARE NOT Disney's style. They jsut aren't, that dynamic is not who theyre trying to attract! Disney was the ORIGINAL.You cant argue that, they are the granddaddy of all modern popualr amusmeent parks.
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Rider
05-24-2001, 09:08 AM
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<BR>Also, if I remember correctly, Disney World had the whole spitting camel thing going since Alladin came out. So that should end the argument.
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<BR>In the Allidian (sp?) Parade at MGM had spitting camels in it. The water shot out at people watching.
<BR>I bet the ride's camels was just a take on that.

Chris Julich
05-29-2001, 05:01 PM
I would like to address the issue of "copying" that has been brought up numerous times in this topic. There is absolutly no reason why anyone should be accusing either company of "copying." When a park takes someone else's idea and improves upon it, a new standard is set for the industry and better rides result. Throughout the history of entertainment there have been very few original ideas. The industry is built on people improving people's improvements of people's ideas. That is how it works. Just because The Coca-Cola company invented cola, doesn't mean that Pepsi is inferior in any way.
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<BR>I also would like to point out that I agree that you really can't compare Disney with Universal. They are two totally different forms of entertainment. If Disney is hang-gliding, then Universal is sky-diving. Different people prefer different forms of entertainment. No-one has the rate to say that one is better than the other for any reason.
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rockman89
05-29-2001, 05:09 PM
Disney is not aiming for the coaster enthusiest!!!

disneysweans
05-29-2001, 06:15 PM
I agree, Pepsi is better than Coke. However, it is OK to compare Disney World and Universal Orlando because they are similar. To compare, say, Hulk and Raging Bull is NOT OK, because they are very different, but WDW and Universal Orlando are both multi-theme park, multi-hotel resorts in the Orlando area competing for the same customer base. Therefore, comparing is totally allowed.
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<BR>As for my stance, Disney has four theme parks and reaps tons of visitors each year. Universal had to build a park built around coasters to try and compete with The magic.
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<BR>Ok, bring on the argument.

DBCooper
05-29-2001, 07:24 PM
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<BR>As for my stance, Disney has four theme parks and reaps tons of visitors each year. Universal had to build a park built around coasters to try and compete with The magic.
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<BR>Right. Considering that only two of those coasters (three tracks total) are of any serious intensity, considering that IoA has one of the world's premier dark rides, considering that Toon Lagoon contains a very highly regarded group of water rides, and considering that one of the most popular themed areas, Seuss Landing, contains no coasters, I hereby dispute the concept that IoA was built around coasters.
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<BR>Universal plays to its strengths; these include the ability to adapt a wide range of highly popular movies, cartoons, and comics into theming and thrill rides.
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<BR>Disney plays to its strengths; these include the ability to adapt its own library of highly popular characters and films into theming and family thrill rides.
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<BR>I still contend that Aladdin's concept is extremely similar to One Fish Two Fish. Is that copying? Of course not, any more than Pontiac's split grill is a copy of BMW's. However, it is absolutely not the groundbreaking original concept that Disney's PR people made it out to be.
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<BR>After all, not only has IoA broken that ground before--so has Disney.

Kraken
05-29-2001, 08:05 PM
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<BR>On 2001-05-23 19:08, Swimming King wrote:
<BR> Disney isn't copying IOA nearly as much as they are responding to a need. Dumbo at the Magic Kingdom is insanely popular, and has long lines all day. Now there's a few ways you can take care of this. 1: build a huge dumbo ride that triples ride capacity.
<BR>2: tear out dumbo, and make everyone forget about it (not gonna happen)
<BR>3: build numerous Dumbo like attractions with equally good themes like the Astro Orbitor, Aladdin, and the Dino ride thingy going in at Animal Kingdom.
<BR>And wouldn't Universal be copying Disney by using the great theming? Disney eas the first to use such theming in Disneyland, which spurred on Universal. Universal has copyed alot of other attractions off of Disney as well. Terminator 2 3D came after Honey I Shrunk The Audience. Dudley Do Right's Ripsaw Falls came after Splash Mountain. Universal Studios Florida came After The Disney-MGM Studios. Who's the bigger copycat now?!?!?!?!?
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<BR>Disney did not invent the log flume! If you means because it's on a mountain, then Disney coppied Knotts! And 3-d theaters have been in use long before Honey I Shrunk the Audience! Universal Florida is there because the studio tours in California are a succes!
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Kraken
05-29-2001, 08:11 PM
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<BR>On 2001-05-23 18:09, disneysweans wrote:
<BR>Actually, Kraken started the argument by saying that Disney is stupid, I told him it isn't, and then you told me it is, etc.
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<BR>Never did I say Disney was "stupid"

MPD47
05-29-2001, 09:30 PM
Let's settle this now shall we?
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<BR>Disney is the better THEME park (meaning themeing)
<BR>IOA is the better THRILLS park (meaning thrill rides)
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<BR>Easy solution to a three page topic.

disneysweans
05-29-2001, 10:18 PM
Is it now? Can there ever be an end??

disneysweans
05-30-2001, 05:45 PM
What about Splash Mountain, Test Track, Space Mountain, Rock 'n' roller Coaster, Dinosaur, Thunder Mountain, Kilimanjaro Safari, Alien Encounter, Kali River Rapids, Tower of Terror, Pirates of the Carribbean, Haunted Mansion, Mission Space (2003), Maelstrom, and, of course, the Teacups?
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<BR>Aren't those thrill rides????

Ioa Master
05-30-2001, 06:09 PM
Disney World Is Just A Bunch Of Copycats.Aladdin's Magic Cparpets Is Related
<BR>With One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish. Rock N Rollercoaster Starring Aerosmith Is Related With Hulk.Kali River Rapids Is Related With Popeye And Bluto's Rat Barages.Need I Say More.

Ioa Master
05-30-2001, 06:09 PM
Disney World Is Just A Bunch Of Copycats.Aladdin's Magic Cparpets Is Related
<BR>With One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish. Rock N Rollercoaster Starring Aerosmith Is Related With Hulk.Kali River Rapids Is Related With Popeye And Bluto's Rat Barages.Need I Say More.

Swimming King
05-30-2001, 07:32 PM
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<BR>Disney World Is Just A Bunch Of Copycats.Aladdin's Magic Cparpets Is Related
<BR>With One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish. Rock N Rollercoaster Starring Aerosmith Is Related With Hulk.Kali River Rapids Is Related With Popeye And Bluto's Rat Barages.Need I Say More.
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<BR>Rock N Roller Coaster Isn't comprable to the Hulk! It's enclosed, it has an awsome on ride sound system, It has a true launch, and a whole heck of a lot more theming! Kali River Rapids was built before Popye's! One fish, Two Fish came after Dumbo! How exactly is Disney a Bunch of Copycats? And Kraken, I never said Disney invented the log flume. I said that Universal made one with lower quality theming after Disney built theirs! I diddn't say Disney Invented the 3D Movie, I said that Terminator 2 3D came after the HUGE success of Honey I shrunk the Audience. SO DON'T TWIST MY WORDS AROUND!!!!!

Anaconda
05-30-2001, 10:44 PM
I have a question? Why is it such a big deal whenever Disney adds a kiddie ride? Goliath Jr. I can understand b/c it takes CP's record away, but I think that if Carowinds added something like Taxi Jam it wouldn't be a big deal at all.

Anaconda
05-30-2001, 10:46 PM
Lemme clarify the above post. When I said the thing about Goliath Jr. I wasn't implying that it was at Disney, I was implying that the only reason its mentioned more than other rides is b/c it helps SFMM take CP's record.

MPD47
05-31-2001, 12:06 AM
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<BR>On 2001-05-30 17:45, disneysweans wrote:
<BR>What about Splash Mountain, Test Track, Space Mountain, Rock 'n' roller Coaster, Dinosaur, Thunder Mountain, Kilimanjaro Safari, Alien Encounter, Kali River Rapids, Tower of Terror, Pirates of the Carribbean, Haunted Mansion, Mission Space (2003), Maelstrom, and, of course, the Teacups?
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<BR>Splash Mountain - Yep
<BR>Test Track - of course
<BR>Space Mountain - on of my favorite rides of all time
<BR>Rock 'n' roller Coaster - isn't everycoaster?
<BR>Dinosaur - if they tame it down again it wont be
<BR>Thunder Mountain - yes
<BR>Kilimanjaro Safari - no
<BR>Alien Encounter - yes
<BR>Kali River Rapids - almost so short that it isn't a thrill ride
<BR>Tower of Terror - i think everyone agrees here
<BR>Pirates of the Carribbean - no
<BR>Haunted Mansion - no (both Pirates and Haunted mansion are in my top 10 for disney rides but they are not thrill rides)
<BR>Mission Space (2003) - not out yet, that's like including "X" and deja vu in the SFMM vs CP argument
<BR>Maelstrom - nope
<BR>Teacups - flat ride

Kraken
05-31-2001, 12:46 PM
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<BR>On 2001-05-30 18:09, Ioa Master wrote:
<BR>Disney World Is Just A Bunch Of Copycats.Aladdin's Magic Cparpets Is Related
<BR>With One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish. Rock N Rollercoaster Starring Aerosmith Is Related With Hulk.Kali River Rapids Is Related With Popeye And Bluto's Rat Barages.Need I Say More.
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<BR>Rock N Roller Coaster Isn't comprable to the Hulk! It's enclosed, it has an awsome on ride sound system, It has a true launch, and a whole heck of a lot more theming! Kali River Rapids was built before Popye's! One fish, Two Fish came after Dumbo! How exactly is Disney a Bunch of Copycats? And Kraken, I never said Disney invented the log flume. I said that Universal made one with lower quality theming after Disney built theirs! I diddn't say Disney Invented the 3D Movie, I said that Terminator 2 3D came after the HUGE success of Honey I shrunk the Audience.
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<BR>And Animal Kingdom came out after the HUGE succes of Busch Gardens Tampa.
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Rider
05-31-2001, 01:53 PM
Yes it did.
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<BR>But did you know that Walt Disney had always wanted live animals in his parks? He tried to get real animals for Jungle Cruise at DL.

disneysweans
05-31-2001, 05:42 PM
I was being facetious about the teacups, in case anyone was wondering (alive?). I count anything that bumps you, moves up and down somewhat quickly, etc. to be a thrill ride. As for Haunted Mansion, It's a thrillride becauseit's so great, it's thrilling. As for Dinosaur, see the post under "Dark Rides", it's my contention that they didn't do much at all to it.
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Kraken
05-31-2001, 07:21 PM
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<BR>Yes it did.
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<BR>But did you know that Walt Disney had always wanted live animals in his parks? He tried to get real animals for Jungle Cruise at DL.
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<BR>Yes, but because they didn't develop one, they jacked BGT's whole concept and theming!

Rider
05-31-2001, 07:54 PM
Sure, I bet that they were talking about BGT when they were designing AK. I cannot disagree on that.
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<BR>I was just saying that having animals in a Disney park is an old idea.

DBCooper
05-31-2001, 11:48 PM
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<BR>Rock N Roller Coaster Isn't comprable to the Hulk! It's enclosed, it has an awsome on ride sound system, It has a true launch,
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<BR>Hulk also has a true launch. It's not quite as fast as the Rock 'n' RollerCoaster's, but it is a launch--period.
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<BR>However, I do agree that Hulk and Rock 'n' RollerCoaster are completely different as far as the sound system and enclosure.
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<BR> and a whole heck of a lot more theming!
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<BR>That's subjective, considering the queue house, station, and carriages for the Hulk. I value your opinion that R'n'R uses theming you like better, but I do dispute your assertion on quantity.
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<BR>There are other differences... for instance, the fact that Hulk has four more inversions and 9 mph more speed.
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<BR>Hmm. Was Kali River Rapids built before 1981?
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<BR>Ah, but One Fish Two Fish added the control and water spray elements. What did Aladdin add?
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<BR>Whether or not either park copies the other, I see more <i>new</i> features in the rides that Universal builds.
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<BR>Of course, Disney used technology from its own Captain EO in the construction of "Honey, I Shrunk the Audience."
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Koaster King
06-01-2001, 02:26 AM
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<BR>There are other differences... for instance, the fact that Hulk has four more inversions and 9 mph more speed.
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<BR>Yeah, and IOA is a themed thrill park. Disney is themed family parks with a little something for everyone but mostly things for the family to do together. I don't think the Hulk is a family coaster. RnRC is not either. It's just one of those exceptions, but an excellent ride indeed. The enclosed theme was IMO better than The Hulk's theme overall.
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<BR>Whether or not either park copies the other, I see more <i>new</i> features in the rides that Universal builds.
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<BR>Didn't Aladdin add a more attractive theme? Would you rather ride a flat ride to one of the biggest box office animated movies of all time or to a Dr. Seuss book that not everyone knows or cares about? Aladdin draws a bigger and wider audience.
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<BR>And you see new features at IOA because it's a 2 year old park with 2 year old rides. You can't say you don't like Splash Mountain because it doesn't have the airtime hop that DDRRF's has. They came out at completely different times and the SM theming is better and still more attractive IMO. Even the Song of the South characters are more widely known than DDR. The Universal film with Brendan Fraser was a B.O. bomb. Just a few examples of how and why Disney will still pull in the bigger family crowd. I think they control the top 6-7 parks(WDW, DL, MGM, Epcot, AK, TDL, DLP) attendance wise in the country(?). USF and IOA and still a ways below that.
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<BR>Of course, Disney used technology from its own Captain EO in the construction of "Honey, I Shrunk the Audience."
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<BR>Disney also has two other outstanding 3-D films in it's parks-Muppetvision 3D and ITTBaBug. And then two other motion sims Star Tours and Body Wars, the first was quoted as the spark for Back to the Future at USF.
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<BR>And lastly, I think IOA is the better thrill park just as it is and WDW is the better family park and I love to go to both. They're nothing to argue over. And if there's more to argue look at all the rides at IOA to WDW. Something at IOA is somewhere in the World.
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<BR>The Hulk-Rock 'n Roller Coaster(older)
<BR>Storm Force-Tea Cups(older)
<BR>Dr. Doom-TZToTerror(older)
<BR>Spiderman-Dinosaur or the much better DL counterpart Indiana Jones, nothing really comparable, but I wasn't too crazy about this overhyped disappointment anyway
<BR>Dudley Do-Right's-Splash Mountain(older)
<BR>P&BBRBarges-Kali River Rapids(older)
<BR>JPRA-nothing comparable
<BR>Pterandaran Flyers-nothing comparable but this ride sucks badly IMO, all Disney coasters better
<BR>Flying Unicorn-BTMR, Barnstormer
<BR>Dueling Dragons-nothing comparable but Space Mountain is duel tracked with two very different layouts
<BR>Cat in the Hat-Any of their dark rides
<BR>One Fish, Two Fish-Dumbo, Aladdin
<BR>and so on...
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<BR>Disney's had the dark ride concept for years and they don't cater to groups of teens. IOA really doesn't much either with only two(DD and Hulk) thrill coasters. WDW has two very thrilling coaster too so I don't know why the complaint. Wait until you have kids. Are you going to say then, "No we're not going to Disney because they don't have any coasters." Prepare for a rude awakening if you don't try to appreciate these excellent parks now. (Hint:Most kids under 12 prefer Disney to IOA-80% can't find the poll now-and most adults 65% prefer it as well, the poll done by Family Magizine and Consumer Reports) You really don't need coasters to have fun. Lastly, Disney doesn't want groups of teens in their parks. They don't need to moneywise and it hurts them guest wise because it ruins the family atmosphere. I would rather go to WDW instead of SF just so I can get away from it...that's still just my opinion.

Swimming King
06-01-2001, 01:15 PM
This argument is getting relly ridiculous. I give up! <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif"> <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

Kraken
06-01-2001, 03:15 PM
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<BR>What 2 thrilling coasters? Disney has one moderatly thrilling coaster(Rocking Roller Coaster).

disneysweans
06-01-2001, 08:12 PM
I think that some people believe that IOA, A WHOLE (1) THEME PARK, is better than WDW, a RESORT with four theme parks, who knows how many hotels, three water parks, some golf courses, a downtown district, a nightlife district, miniature golf courses, the Disney Institute, and a sports complex. How anyone on the FACE OF THE PLANET could think that is beyond me. Sure, IOA is a good park, even bordering on great, but does not anywhere compare to the wonderful magic the WDW provides. I will debate this with anyone who cares to until the day I die, that is, unless you know that I'm correct and you want to give up...

Medusa1861
06-01-2001, 08:34 PM
WDW stinks!!! how can anyone consider it a real theme park. It is just a resort! it has real slow rides and stinks!!!!

SFGAdvGal
06-02-2001, 08:59 PM
disney is a great park so all you can just shut up! you're forgetting that thrill rides appeal to only a small portion of the american population. everyone in my family but me hates roller coasters. disney has amusing fun themed rides that make you really feel like your somewhere. even their rollercoasters keep the theming throughout the ride whereas after the lift hill on DD and Hulk the theming for the most part is gone. RnRC keeps you flying through LA the whole time, Space Mountain has stars and stuff all around, and Big Thunder mountain has great theming too! also tower of terror is much better then the Dr. Doom's drop ride. on ToT there's an actual story that is kept out throughout the ride. also, as for the copying, one fish two fish is just taking dumbo to the next level and the cat in the hat is like all the disney dark rides

B&MAaron
06-02-2001, 11:06 PM
Okay Mr. I'm so smart, if more people like other rides than roller coasters than why do they always have the longest lines in the park? Why do parks spend millions on coasters each year. Don't you hear about people camping out infront of parks to get one of the first rides on a brand new coaster. Lines for MF, hypersonic, and SOB have gotten up to 3 hours and sometimes more! I don't see log flumes doing that.

DBCooper
06-03-2001, 01:21 AM
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<BR>Yeah, and IOA is a themed thrill park. Disney is themed family parks with a little something for everyone but mostly things for the family to do together. I don't think the Hulk is a family coaster. RnRC is not either. It's just one of those exceptions, but an excellent ride indeed. The enclosed theme was IMO better than The Hulk's theme overall.
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<BR>Yes, in your opinion, definitely. We'll be seeing a lot more of that later. However, it's not fair to put the Rock 'n Roller Coaster up against The Incredible Hulk. This is not about Disney-MGM. It's about the Magic Kingdom.
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<BR>And for that matter, it's only ever been about whether or not Aladdin was particularly innovative, when One Fish Two Fish has been doing the same thing for two years.
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<BR>Ah, but One Fish Two Fish added the control and water spray elements. What did Aladdin add?
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<BR>Whether or not either park copies the other, I see more <i>new</i> features in the rides that Universal builds.
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<BR>Didn't Aladdin add a more attractive theme?
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<BR>Only in your opinion. I have no opinion on a theme comparison, because I have not seen Aladdin yet.
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<BR>My only point of discussion in this entire thread has been on the fact (not the opinion, the fact) that Aladdin's carriages can be moved up and down under the riders' control and can be sprayed with water--just like Cat in the Hat at IoA. All I have ever been saying is that this one ride at these two parks are too much alike for Disney to say that Aladdin is as innovative as their executive director of design and engineering and their press releases indicate.
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<BR>Show me figures from cited sources. Otherwise, this is just more opinion. Plus, it's beside the point.
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<BR>Yes, I can. I don't answer to you. Please avoid telling me that I "can't say" anything. It's rude.
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<BR>However, I will withhold judgment on both Splash Mountain and on Dudley Do-Right's Ripsaw Falls; I haven't ridden either of them.
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<BR>And once again: it's not the point.
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<BR>because it doesn't have the airtime hop that DDRRF's has. They came out at completely different times and the SM theming is better and still more attractive IMO. Even the Song of the South characters are more widely known than DDR.
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<BR>Again, cite your statistics. "Song of the South" has been out of theatres for decades, and off video for years.
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<BR>"Dudley Do-Right" is still available at Suncoast Video, and runs on late nights on the Cartoon Network.
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<BR>Assuming you're talking about Dudley Do-Right, and not either of the "Mummy" films, you may or may not be correct. Again, you're not backing up your statements with facts.
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<BR>Or perhaps Universal did a live action motion picture starring Brendan Fraser entitled "One Fish Two Fish" that I missed.
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<BR>Remember One Fish Two Fish? That was one of two rides I was initially talking about.
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<BR> Just a few examples of how and why Disney will still pull in the bigger family crowd. I think they control the top 6-7 parks(WDW, DL, MGM, Epcot, AK, TDL, DLP) attendance wise in the country(?). USF and IOA and still a ways below that.
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<BR>Disney also has two other outstanding 3-D films in it's parks-Muppetvision 3D and ITTBaBug. And then two other motion sims Star Tours and Body Wars, the first was quoted as the spark for Back to the Future at USF.
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<BR>Quoted by <i>whom?</i> Plus, Back to the Future is at, as you pointed out, Universal Studios Florida. This is about the Magic Kingdom and IoA.
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<BR>And lastly, I think IOA is the better thrill park just as it is and WDW is the better family park and I love to go to both. They're nothing to argue over. And if there's more to argue look at all the rides at IOA to WDW. Something at IOA is somewhere in the World.
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<BR>Spiderman-Dinosaur or the much better DL counterpart Indiana Jones, nothing really comparable, but I wasn't too crazy about this overhyped disappointment anyway
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<BR>Wow! Now we've added a third theme park on the Disney side. Hmm. We've got to go to at least three Disney parks to compare rides at two Universal parks--even though this was only ever about whether or not one particular ride was innovative.
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<BR>It's "Pteranodon," and while I agree with part of your opinion, it's still just opinion.
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<BR>Whoa--you're comparing Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, a mine train coaster, with the kiddie coaster Flying Unicorn? I wouldn't have brought that one up.
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<BR>That doesn't count. Not only is Space Mountain a completely different class of roller coaster (enclosed, zero-inversion), thanks to Matterhorn, it's not even first-in-class. Dueling Dragons, on the other hand, was the world's first dueling near-miss inverted coaster pair.
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<BR>Is that just the dark rides at Magic Kingdom, Disney-MGM and Animal Kingdom, or are we also now throwing in Epcot, Disneyland, Disney's California Adventure, Tokyo Disney, and Disneyland Paris? Please let me know if I've missed any.
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<BR>Fortunately, these rides are not part of my original point either.
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<BR>Ahhhh... <b>NOW</b> we're back on the rides I was talking about. Since you so kindly brought it up, I'll go ahead and mention that dozens of traveling carnivals (Southland Amusements comes to mind, though I wouldn't ride any of their rides) have had rides very much like Dumbo for longer than either Disneyland or the Magic Kingdom have existed. In fact, I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure that the original version of Enterprise at Coney Island's Astroland is older than Dumbo.
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<BR>Disney's had the dark ride concept for years and they don't cater to groups of teens. IOA really doesn't much either with only two(DD and Hulk) thrill coasters. WDW has two very thrilling coaster too so I don't know why the complaint. Wait until you have kids. Are you going to say then, "No we're not going to Disney because they don't have any coasters." Prepare for a rude awakening if you don't try to appreciate these excellent parks now. (Hint:Most kids under 12 prefer Disney to IOA-80% can't find the poll now-and most adults 65% prefer it as well, the poll done by Family Magizine and Consumer Reports) You really don't need coasters to have fun.
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<BR>I don't? Gosh, thanks for telling me.
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<BR> Lastly, Disney doesn't want groups of teens in their parks. They don't need to moneywise and it hurts them guest wise because it ruins the family atmosphere. I would rather go to WDW instead of SF just so I can get away from it...that's still just my opinion.
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<BR>If Disney doesn't want teens, then why do they hold so many high school grad-night celebrations every year?
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<BR>And once again, please repeat after me: none of this has anything to do with my point, which was that Aladdin wasn't particularly innovative.
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SomeKid17
06-03-2001, 02:07 AM
Is Mr. Toad's Acid Trip still at Disney?
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06-03-2001, 03:00 PM
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<BR>I think that some people believe that IOA, A WHOLE (1) THEME PARK, is better than WDW, a RESORT with four theme parks, who knows how many hotels, three water parks, some golf courses, a downtown district, a nightlife district, miniature golf courses, the Disney Institute, and a sports complex. How anyone on the FACE OF THE PLANET could think that is beyond me. Sure, IOA is a good park, even bordering on great, but does not anywhere compare to the wonderful magic the WDW provides. I will debate this with anyone who cares to until the day I die, that is, unless you know that I'm correct and you want to give up...
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<BR>I have only been talking about whether the Aladdin ride at Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom was innovative or not (I say "no").
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<BR>I mean, if you're just after coasters and thrill rides, then IoA might be the better deal. And while I like the food and the attractions at IoA, there is a bigger choice of them at the WDW resorts--mainly because there are a bunch of resort hotels and four theme parks. There's also the issue of cost, but again, it all comes down to what you want to do.
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Kraken
06-03-2001, 06:30 PM
Ioa is the park that REALLY has something for everyone. It has white-knckle coasters, like Hulk, and tame rides that are still fun for everyone, like Cat in the Hat. Disney has all rides for kids and adults who are not thrill fans, but squat for people who like lots of action, which is actually a very large numbver of people.

disneysweans
06-03-2001, 08:44 PM
Again, what about Tower of Terror? Test Track? Rock 'n' Roller Coaster? Dinosaur? The list goes on.
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06-03-2001, 08:56 PM
The big problem with Disney, is to ride all the same types of rides you get at one park (IOA) you'd have to spend 4 times as much, and spend a lot more time traveling to each park to get to the rides.
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<BR>So you're taking up much more time as well.
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<BR>I think it's amazing how good IOA is, that it is always compared with everything Disney has. 1 park vs. 4 parks, and it still holds its ground.
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Koaster King
06-03-2001, 10:34 PM
DBCooper, what's exactly up your ass today? Whatever it is, I'll make sure to avoid it at all costs. Anyway, here goes:
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<BR>There are other differences... for instance, the fact that Hulk has four more inversions and 9 mph more speed.
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<BR>Yeah, and IOA is a themed thrill park. Disney is themed family parks with a little something for everyone but mostly things for the family to do together. I don't think the Hulk is a family coaster. RnRC is not either. It's just one of those exceptions, but an excellent ride indeed. The enclosed theme was IMO better than The Hulk's theme overall.
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<BR>Yes, in your opinion, definitely. We'll be seeing a lot more of that later. However, it's not fair to put the Rock 'n Roller Coaster up against The Incredible Hulk. This is not about Disney-MGM. It's about the Magic Kingdom.
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<BR>And for that matter, it's only ever been about whether or not Aladdin was particularly innovative, when One Fish Two Fish has been doing the same thing for two years.
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<BR>I did say IMO which means in my opinion. And who said it has to be just about the Magic Kingdom and IOA? Are you trying to tell me what I can and can't do? And I was expanding of your Aladdin vs. One Fish, Two Fish debate. Have you even been on Aladdin and do you know everything it does? Maybe it was on the drawing boards before 1 Fish, Two Fish. Remember a lot of Disney people went over to IOA along with the Disney ideas.
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<BR>Ah, but One Fish Two Fish added the control and water spray elements. What did Aladdin add?
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<BR>Only in your opinion. I have no opinion on a theme comparison, because I have not seen Aladdin yet.
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<BR>My only point of discussion in this entire thread has been on the fact (not the opinion, the fact) that Aladdin's carriages can be moved up and down under the riders' control and can be sprayed with water--just like Cat in the Hat at IoA. All I have ever been saying is that this one ride at these two parks are too much alike for Disney to say that Aladdin is as innovative as their executive director of design and engineering and their press releases indicate.
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<BR>*Again you haven't ridden Aladdin and know all of it's features, so you couldn't personally compare all the facts. And I never knew Cat in the Hat let you move up and down and get sprayed. Is this new?
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<BR>Show me figures from cited sources. Otherwise, this is just more opinion. Plus, it's beside the point.
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<BR>*You don't need figures. It's logical that more people have heard of Aladdin and care for Aladdin than One Fish, Two Fish. Was there a movie, and two sequels spawned my One, Fish, Two Fish?
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<BR>Yes, I can. I don't answer to you. Please avoid telling me that I "can't say" anything. It's rude.
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<BR>However, I will withhold judgment on both Splash Mountain and on Dudley Do-Right's Ripsaw Falls; I haven't ridden either of them.
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<BR>*I never said you had to like Splash Mountain. You broke up my quote and took it out of context. And I was referring to the technology of the almost 12 year old ride to two year old ride. And technology is a point.
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<BR>Again, cite your statistics. "Song of the South" has been out of theatres for decades, and off video for years.
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<BR>*I said In my opinion. Disney has purposely pulled Song of the South off the shelf. Go do a survey yourself. Ask if you would rather ride a ride themed to Dudley Do-Right or Song of the South(Zip a dee do dah) and Brer Rabbit. Splash Mountain is often one of the longest lines at MK proving it's popularity. And just see how many people actually buy those DDR tapes and watch it on TV. I would guess the stats and ratings are fairly low.
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<BR>Assuming you're talking about Dudley Do-Right, and not either of the "Mummy" films, you may or may not be correct. Again, you're not backing up your statements with facts.
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<BR>Remember One Fish Two Fish? That was one of two rides I was initially talking about.
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<BR>*I was talking about Dudley Do-Right. You knew what I was talking about. Please don't be a smart ass. Anyway, the film grossed about $10 million. That's very low considering Pearl Harbor grossed $75 million in it's first weekend and both of The Mummy's passed $150. Even Rocky and Bullwinkle pulled off with a still pretty bad $25 million considering it was made for over $100 million. Go to <!-- BBCode auto-link start --><a href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com" target="_blank">www.boxofficemojo.com</a><!-- BBCode auto-link end --> for the most accurate stats.
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<BR> Just a few examples of how and why Disney will still pull in the bigger family crowd. I think they control the top 6-7 parks(WDW, DL, MGM, Epcot, AK, TDL, DLP) attendance wise in the country(?). USF and IOA and still a ways below that.
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<BR>Based on whose data? What about Cedar Fair and Six Flags? I'll even forgive the fact that you're essentially comparing seven theme parks to two. (And I keep seeing headlines from the Orlando Sentinel about "flat" attendance at Animal Kingdom...)
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<BR>Quoted by <i>whom?</i> Plus, Back to the Future is at, as you pointed out, Universal Studios Florida. This is about the Magic Kingdom and IoA.
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<BR>*Again, says who that this has to be between MK and IOA? And I raed and see tons about this so I can't possibly keep track on exactly where you can see this quote.
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<BR>And lastly, I think IOA is the better thrill park just as it is and WDW is the better family park and I love to go to both. They're nothing to argue over. And if there's more to argue look at all the rides at IOA to WDW. Something at IOA is somewhere in the World.
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<BR>No comparison. They're too different. Hulk has a higher top speed and more inversions.
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<BR>Plus, this is about the Magic Kingdom and IoA, not Disney-MGM and IoA.
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<BR>Here, I will reluctantly concede. However, I also believe that the Storm Force Accelatron was a mistake for IoA; it's too intense for children because of the strobe lights, and too boring for adults--I'm not a small guy, but my friends and I were unable to spin our carriage fast enough to make the ride exciting.
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<BR>Spiderman-Dinosaur or the much better DL counterpart Indiana Jones, nothing really comparable, but I wasn't too crazy about this overhyped disappointment anyway
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<BR>*Again you're taking that out of context. And I liked Farfall too. But IMO, the theming for TZToT had more thought but into it and is overall a better experience with the theming.
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<BR>Wow! Now we've added a third theme park on the Disney side. Hmm. We've got to go to at least three Disney parks to compare rides at two Universal parks--even though this was only ever about whether or not one particular ride was innovative.
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<BR>JPRA-nothing comparable
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<BR>Pterandaran Flyers-nothing comparable but this ride sucks badly IMO, all Disney coasters better
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<BR>It's "Pteranodon," and while I agree with part of your opinion, it's still just opinion.
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<BR>Whoa--you're comparing Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, a mine train coaster, with the kiddie coaster Flying Unicorn? I wouldn't have brought that one up.
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<BR>That doesn't count. Not only is Space Mountain a completely different class of roller coaster (enclosed, zero-inversion), thanks to Matterhorn, it's not even first-in-class. Dueling Dragons, on the other hand, was the world's first dueling near-miss inverted coaster pair.
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<BR>It's a good thing these rides are also not part of the point I'm trying to make.
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<BR>*Yeah, but they're for the point I was trying to make.
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<BR>Is that just the dark rides at Magic Kingdom, Disney-MGM and Animal Kingdom, or are we also now throwing in Epcot, Disneyland, Disney's California Adventure, Tokyo Disney, and Disneyland Paris? Please let me know if I've missed any.
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<BR>Fortunately, these rides are not part of my original point either.
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<BR>One Fish, Two Fish-Dumbo, Aladdin
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<BR>Ahhhh... <b>NOW</b> we're back on the rides I was talking about. Since you so kindly brought it up, I'll go ahead and mention that dozens of traveling carnivals (Southland Amusements comes to mind, though I wouldn't ride any of their rides) have had rides very much like Dumbo for longer than either Disneyland or the Magic Kingdom have existed. In fact, I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure that the original version of Enterprise at Coney Island's Astroland is older than Dumbo.
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<BR>Disney's had the dark ride concept for years and they don't cater to groups of teens. IOA really doesn't much either with only two(DD and Hulk) thrill coasters. WDW has two very thrilling coaster too so I don't know why the complaint. Wait until you have kids. Are you going to say then, "No we're not going to Disney because they don't have any coasters." Prepare for a rude awakening if you don't try to appreciate these excellent parks now. (Hint:Most kids under 12 prefer Disney to IOA-80% can't find the poll now-and most adults 65% prefer it as well, the poll done by Family Magizine and Consumer Reports) You really don't need coasters to have fun.
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<BR>I don't? Gosh, thanks for telling me.
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<BR>And what issues of Family Magazine and Consumer Reports contain these polls?
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<BR>*I'm still looking. I don't think you'll find it in a CS magazine, but I'm not for sure. And if you need coasters to have fun, I feel sorry for you.
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<BR> Lastly, Disney doesn't want groups of teens in their parks. They don't need to moneywise and it hurts them guest wise because it ruins the family atmosphere. I would rather go to WDW instead of SF just so I can get away from it...that's still just my opinion.
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<BR>If Disney doesn't want teens, then why do they hold so many high school grad-night celebrations every year?
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<BR>And once again, please repeat after me: none of this has anything to do with my point, which was that Aladdin wasn't particularly innovative.
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<BR>*Ah, we finally reach the end of the dark ride into Hell. Please exit and read the next sign:
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<BR>I'm not sure, but I'm guessing you're a teenager who is still angry deep down inside that his Mommy and Daddy never let him go to Disney World when he was a little boy...and he still hasn't got to go. He has to pretend to himself that Disney really won't be that great, so he isn't so sad about not being able to go. Disney is NOT a place for thrill seekers. IOA is NOT a place for thrill seekers. Here's some stats I know to tell you-
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<BR>Magic Kingdom has over 45 attractions including all of the dark rides, flat rides, kiddie rides, coasters, shows, and other not including restaurants, shops, etc. 5 thrill rides.
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<BR>Epcot has over 35 attractions. 1 thrill ride.
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<BR>Disney Studios has over 20 attractions most being much larger and time consuming compared the other two park. 3 thrill rides.
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<BR>Animal Kingdom has over 15 attractions.
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<BR>USF has over 20 attractions(just like Disney Studios which was built around the same time)
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<BR>IOA has over 15 attractions(just like AK which was built around the same time)
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<BR>Yes, the IOA attractions are overall much better than AK, but Disney knows that most people that come will either go to MK(and maybe DS) or all of the parks, so it doesn't matter whether one park has all that IOA has. You can't(don't even start) compare IOA to MK when number one, they aren't the same type of park and that Disney elsewhere has other parts similar to IOA. And second, it sounds as if you've never been to WDW. Who has gone and not been on Splash Mountain?
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<BR>And the point to all those rides vs. rides above was to prove my point on more Disney originality. I believe that you did state that IOA oversal seems more innovative than Disney. Right? Or something along those lines which is why this all came up.
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<BR>Lastly, read the last line of my original post. It says it was all my opinion. And I put that there so some BEEP wouldn't respond asking for facts. Looks like I need to put it in bold next time.
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06-04-2001, 05:26 PM
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<BR>Except it doesn't hold its ground because Disney is better.
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<BR>Now recite after me, "Disney is better than IOA."

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06-04-2001, 10:34 PM
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<BR>Just a few examples of how and why Disney will still pull in the bigger family crowd. I think they control the top 6-7 parks(WDW, DL, MGM, Epcot, AK, TDL, DLP) attendance wise in the country(?). USF and IOA and still a ways below that.
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06-04-2001, 10:39 PM
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<BR>DBCooper, what's exactly up your ass today? Whatever it is, I'll make sure to avoid it at all costs. Anyway, here goes:
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<BR>Usually, I don't go for gratuitous insults--even in response to gratuitous insults. However, I can't resist this one:
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<BR>Right. On with the fun.
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<BR>I did say IMO which means in my opinion. And who said it has to be just about the Magic Kingdom and IOA? Are you trying to tell me what I can and can't do?
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<BR>That seemed to be your specialty. And I said it because that's all I was ever arguing. You can go ahead and try to compare seven theme parks and a complex of resorts to just two theme parks and a ... well, a resort complex. I won't stop you. But I'm not going to accept such comparisons as part of a comparison of just two rides.
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<BR> And I was expanding of your Aladdin vs. One Fish, Two Fish debate. Have you even been on Aladdin and do you know everything it does? Maybe it was on the drawing boards before 1 Fish, Two Fish. Remember a lot of Disney people went over to IOA along with the Disney ideas.
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<BR>If you expand the argument, you start a separate argument. I'm not answering that argument. You go ahead and argue whatever you want.
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<BR>However, I would like to know: is your statement about "a lot of people from Disney" going over to IoA "along with Disney ideas" a fact or an opinion? If you are calling it as fact, I'll accept it if you cite your sources.
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<BR>It is still part of your new argument, however, and has nothing to do with mine.
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<BR>Yes, I do know what Aladdin does after reading it in the May 17 edition of the Orlando Sentinel online.
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<BR>Ah, but One Fish Two Fish added the control and water spray elements. What did Aladdin add?
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<BR>Didn't Aladdin add a more attractive theme?
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<BR>Only in your opinion. I have no opinion on a theme comparison, because I have not seen Aladdin yet.
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<BR>My only point of discussion in this entire thread has been on the fact (not the opinion, the fact) that Aladdin's carriages can be moved up and down under the riders' control and can be sprayed with water--just like Cat in the Hat at IoA. All I have ever been saying is that this one ride at these two parks are too much alike for Disney to say that Aladdin is as innovative as their executive director of design and engineering and their press releases indicate.
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<BR>*Again you haven't ridden Aladdin and know all of it's features, so you couldn't personally compare all the facts. And I never knew Cat in the Hat let you move up and down and get sprayed. Is this new?
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<BR>No, it's a typo--just like "all of it's features." The correct copy should read "just like One Fish Two Fish at IoA."
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<BR>And I do know the features; it doesn't matter if I've ridden the ride.
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<BR> Would you rather ride a flat ride to one of the biggest box office animated movies of all time or to a Dr. Seuss book that not everyone knows or cares about? Aladdin draws a bigger and wider audience.
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<BR>Show me figures from cited sources. Otherwise, this is just more opinion. Plus, it's beside the point.
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<BR>You don't need figures. It's logical that more people have heard of Aladdin and care for Aladdin than One Fish, Two Fish. Was there a movie, and two sequels spawned my One, Fish, Two Fish?
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<BR>If I asked you to cite figures, it's because I need figures. Period.
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<BR>This is a new definition of the word logic. Just because a movie spawns sequels (though I must admit that the term "spawned" right next to One Fish, Two fish made me laugh) doesn't mean they're all successful. The direct-to-video "Return of Jafar" was a critical and sales dud, as I recall. "King of Thieves" did a little better with the return of Robin Williams.
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<BR>And once again, the Dr. Seuss stories, including One Fish Two Fish, have been around decades longer than Disney's interpretation of Aladdin.
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<BR>None of that has any bearing on the attractiveness of the theming, of course, which is, was, and always shall be a subjective element. If someone doesn't like pastels, they won't like either of them as a rule. If they do, then they might.
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<BR>Yes, I can. I don't answer to you. Please avoid telling me that I "can't say" anything. It's rude.
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<BR>However, I will withhold judgment on both Splash Mountain and on Dudley Do-Right's Ripsaw Falls; I haven't ridden either of them.
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<BR>And once again: it's not the point.
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<BR>I never said you had to like Splash Mountain.
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<BR> You broke up my quote and took it out of context. And I was referring to the technology of the almost 12 year old ride to two year old ride. And technology is a point.
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<BR>It doesn't matter that I cut the quote short. The context remains the same. In other words, the dependent clause "because it doesn't have the airtime hop that DDRRF does" has no bearing on what you were saying. You're still saying I can't do something that you don't have any kind of authority to disapprove.
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<BR>because it doesn't have the airtime hop that DDRRF's has. They came out at completely different times and the SM theming is better and still more attractive IMO. Even the Song of the South characters are more widely known than DDR.
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<BR>Again, cite your statistics. "Song of the South" has been out of theatres for decades, and off video for years.
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<BR>If it's your opinion, then it's not a fact that Song of the South is less well-known than Dudley Do-Right.
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<BR>And I refuse to do any surveys--you stated it; the burden of proof remains yours. I don't have to do your work for you.
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<BR>Assuming you're talking about Dudley Do-Right, and not either of the "Mummy" films, you may or may not be correct. Again, you're not backing up your statements with facts.
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<BR>Or perhaps Universal did a live action motion picture starring Brendan Fraser entitled "One Fish Two Fish" that I missed.
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<BR>Remember One Fish Two Fish? That was one of two rides I was initially talking about.
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<BR>Um... I'll be a smart ass anytime I like.
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<BR>That time, in case you are wondering, is still now.
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<BR>I use the Internet Movie Database, but that's beside the point.
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<BR>No. The Mummy, and the Mummy Returns, both <i>Universal</i> films have each beaten Aladdin. Oh, and box office figures don't reflect crowd demographics.
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<BR>Based on whose data? What about Cedar Fair and Six Flags? I'll even forgive the fact that you're essentially comparing seven theme parks to two. (And I keep seeing headlines from the Orlando Sentinel about "flat" attendance at Animal Kingdom...)
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<BR>Where did I give the "no one is there" meaning of attendance? Where? Show me. I know what "Flat attendance" means. Now you're just putting words in my mouth.
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<BR>There you go again, putting words in my mouth. I never said either of the Universal parks was better attended than any of the Disney parks. In fact, you were the first to even bring up attendance. I just pointed out that according to several Orlando Sentinel articles, Disney's attendance is not growing (or, as I said, "flat").
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<BR>*Again, says who that this has to be between MK and IOA? And I raed and see tons about this so I can't possibly keep track on exactly where you can see this quote.
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<BR>If you can't prove it, and it sure looks like you aren't able to, then it's not a fact. If you can't tell me who said it, then it's very possible you just made it up.
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<BR><i>I</i> say <i>I</i> was talking about One Fish Two Fish and Aladdin at IoA and the Magic Kingdom. I couldn't care less what else you bring into it, except when you misinterpret my posts, make up nonexistent facts, and engage in namecalling.
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<BR>And what issues of Family Magazine and Consumer Reports contain these polls?
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<BR>*I'm still looking. I don't think you'll find it in a CS magazine, but I'm not for sure. And if you need coasters to have fun, I feel sorry for you.
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<BR>I never said I did. I was, as you so adroitly put it, being a "smartass." You just missed the joke. Next time I'll make sure ALL the words use just the one syllable.
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<BR>If you're still looking for the stats, I'm still waiting.
<BR>If Disney doesn't want teens, then why do they hold so many high school grad-night celebrations every year?
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<BR>And once again, please repeat after me: none of this has anything to do with my point, which was that Aladdin wasn't particularly innovative.
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<BR>*Ah, we finally reach the end of the dark ride into Hell. Please exit and read the next sign:
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<BR>I'm not sure, but I'm guessing you're a teenager who is still angry deep down inside
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<BR>You're guessing wrong. Somehow I'm not shocked.
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<BR> that his Mommy and Daddy never let him go to Disney World when he was a little boy...and he still hasn't got to go. He has to pretend to himself that Disney really won't be that great, so he isn't so sad about not being able to go. Disney is NOT a place for thrill seekers.
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<BR>I never said I didn't like Disney. Do you remember me mentioning once or twice that I was only ever talking about the differences (or lack thereof) between two rides? I didn't think so.
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<BR>1) You haven't taken enough English or debate classes. Otherwise, you'd know that in order to be taken "out of context," your quotes would have to be shortened in a way that actually changes their meanings. You'd also know that the correct possessive form of the pronoun "it" is "its." Further, you'd know that if the person you're debating disputes any of your alleged facts, it means you haven't backed them up properly. You haven't.
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<BR>2) You are used to shouting down people who disagree with you face to face--or wish you could.
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<BR>3) You actually think I'm debating whether or not the Disney theme park complex is better than the Universal theme park complex. I'm not. You can talk about it all you want--I'm not stopping you, and picking apart your spelling, your grammar, and your conceptual and factual errors is good practice for me.
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<BR>IOA is NOT a place for thrill seekers.
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<BR>Oh, really?
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<BR> Here's some stats I know to tell you-
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<BR>Magic Kingdom has over 45 attractions including all of the dark rides, flat rides, kiddie rides, coasters, shows, and other not including restaurants, shops, etc. 5 thrill rides.
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<BR>Epcot has over 35 attractions. 1 thrill ride.
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<BR>Disney Studios has over 20 attractions most being much larger and time consuming compared the other two park. 3 thrill rides.
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<BR>Animal Kingdom has over 15 attractions.
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<BR>USF has over 20 attractions(just like Disney Studios which was built around the same time)
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<BR>IOA has over 15 attractions(just like AK which was built around the same time)
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<BR>Yes, the IOA attractions are overall much better than AK, but Disney knows that most people that come will either go to MK(and maybe DS) or all of the parks, so it doesn't matter whether one park has all that IOA has. You can't(don't even start) compare IOA
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<BR>There you go again, issuing orders. Here I go again, ignoring them, since I was <i>never comparing them to begin with.</i>
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<BR>But since you insist that I can't, I just have to prove you indisputably wrong: I can.
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<BR>1) One day admission to IoA and Magic Kingdom both cost $48 before tax, according to their Web sites.
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<BR>2) Disney doesn't sell any Marvel t-shirts; Universal doesn't sell any Disney t-shirts.
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<BR>3) Universal is off Exit 30A from I-4, according to MapQuest.com; Disney is not.
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<BR>There. I compared them.
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<BR>to MK when number one, they aren't the same type of park
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<BR>and that Disney elsewhere has other parts similar to IOA.
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<BR>Yes, that is correct--if I were comparing Magic Kingdom and IoA--and I'm not--and decided to add elements from other Disney parks that are NOT in the Magic Kingdom, that would indeed invalidate the comparison.
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<BR>Oh, wait. You already did that. Never mind.
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<BR> And second, it sounds as if you've never been to WDW. Who has gone and not been on Splash Mountain?
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<BR>This is why making assumptions is not a good idea for you. I last visited the Magic Kingdom before Splash Mountain was complete.
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<BR>And the point to all those rides vs. rides above was to prove my point on more Disney originality. I believe that you did state that IOA oversal seems more innovative than Disney. Right? Or something along those lines which is why this all came up.
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<BR>I said that <i>I</i> saw more innovation in the rides that Universal added. You have every right to disagree. Fine? Fine.
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<BR>Lastly, read the last line of my original post. It says it was all my opinion. And I put that there so some BEEP wouldn't respond asking for facts. Looks like I need to put it in bold next time.
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<BR>In other words, you didn't <i>have</i> any facts, even though you made several statements in the form of facts (for example, your whole tangent on the relative successes of Universal cartoons versus Disney cartoons).
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<BR>Now I see that your entire post was, by your own admission, fact-free.
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<BR>Thanks!

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06-04-2001, 10:46 PM
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<BR>On 2001-06-03 20:56, ChrisFL wrote:
<BR>and it still holds its ground.
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<BR>Except it doesn't hold its ground because Disney is better.
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<BR>That's your opinion. I won't recite it, because I believe differently. I have repeatedly been trying to establish that I don't believe either park is better, but I keep hearing the same Animal Farm-esque bleating on both sides.
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<BR>Hmmm... Animal Farm. I think I just came up with a new idea for a themed area!

GimmeThrills
06-05-2001, 12:55 AM
When will you guys realize that Disney and IOA are both fantasticlly themed parks with awsome rides.

GimmeThrills
06-05-2001, 12:55 AM
When will you guys realize that Disney and IOA are both fantasticlly themed parks with awsome rides.

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06-05-2001, 10:44 AM
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<BR>and it still holds its ground.
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<BR>Except it doesn't hold its ground because Disney is better.
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<BR>I could say that, but I'd be LYING!!

Rider
06-05-2001, 11:53 AM
Only in your opinion.
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<BR>In my opinion, MK (&WDW) is better that IOA.

Diehlin
06-05-2001, 01:23 PM
When will you guys stop double posting? j/k
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Rider
06-05-2001, 02:59 PM
Sometimes the computer messes up and the button clicks too many times. It can't be helped.

IOAmilleniumforce
06-05-2001, 03:28 PM
Is it really that hard to either click the mouse button or press enter?

IOAmilleniumforce
06-05-2001, 03:37 PM
Anyway, the only thing and I mean ONLY good thing about Disney is DisneyQuest, and I'm sure anybody who's been there would agree with me, unless of course they have been spending to much time on their adored Dumbo or "Small World" rides at MK.

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06-05-2001, 05:07 PM
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<BR>And I said it because that's all I was ever arguing. You can go ahead and try to compare seven theme parks and a complex of resorts to just two theme parks and a ... well, a resort complex. I won't stop you. But I'm not going to accept such comparisons as part of a comparison of just two rides.
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<BR>In case you didn't know, the first time I posted on here, I wasn't challenging your comments. I was challenging those who said Universal is better than Disney. Sorry if it seemt that way.
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<BR>However, I would like to know: is your statement about "a lot of people from Disney" going over to IoA "along with Disney ideas" a fact or an opinion? If you are calling it as fact, I'll accept it if you cite your sources.
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<BR>I know that this was a fact, but this happened so long ago in the mid 90s that I couldn't possibly find the source in a reasonable amount of time. Also, I really don't care enough.
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<BR>Ah, but One Fish Two Fish added the control and water spray elements. What did Aladdin add?
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<BR>Whether or not either park copies the other, I see more <i>new</i> features in the rides that Universal builds.
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<BR>If I asked you to cite figures, it's because I need figures. Period.
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<BR>This is a new definition of the word logic. Just because a movie spawns sequels (though I must admit that the term "spawned" right next to One Fish, Two fish made me laugh) doesn't mean they're all successful. The direct-to-video "Return of Jafar" was a critical and sales dud, as I recall. "King of Thieves" did a little better with the return of Robin Williams.
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<BR>And once again, the Dr. Seuss stories, including One Fish Two Fish, have been around decades longer than Disney's interpretation of Aladdin.
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<BR>None of that has any bearing on the attractiveness of the theming, of course, which is, was, and always shall be a subjective element. If someone doesn't like pastels, they won't like either of them as a rule. If they do, then they might.
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<BR>Can I have figures on the Aladdin sequels? How about amount of copies of One Fish, Two Fish sold? I don't really care, but like you said, if someone is going to make a statement, they need to back it up with facts and sources.
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<BR>You said, and I quote again, "You can't say you don't like Splash Mountain..."
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<BR>It doesn't matter that I cut the quote short. The context remains the same.
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<BR>No the context is not the same because I was referring to the technology used between two rides, not the ride itself. You can say whatever you want about something. But when I said, "You can't say...", I was meaning that it's illogical. Like you saying you don't like the Coney Island Cyclone because it doesn't have a loop. It just doesn't make sense. Now since you haven't ridden Splash Mountain, it doesn't even matter.
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<BR>If it's your opinion, then it's not a fact that Song of the South is less well-known than Dudley Do-Right.
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<BR>And I refuse to do any surveys--you stated it; the burden of proof remains yours. I don't have to do your work for you.
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<BR>Are you going to trust my survey if I gave you one? Go to <!-- BBCode auto-link start --><a href="http://www.imdb.com" target="_blank">www.imdb.com</a><!-- BBCode auto-link end --> and look up Dudley Do-Right, the movie with Brendan Fraser and Aladdin, the Disney Animated Feature. If you look at how many stars and how many votes each has, I think you'll see the difference in popularity. If they have the DDR cartoons, check that too.
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<BR>Um... I'll be a smart ass anytime I like.
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<BR>I never said you couldn't be one. I was just politely asking if you would stop. Carry on if you would like.
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<BR>No, it is it's, because it is referring the the movie's first weekend. It's possessive. Now, who needs an English class?
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<BR>I use the IMDb as well, but BOMojo has more specific stats on grosses.
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<BR>Hold on and I'll show you both crowd demographics and box office fiqures. You'll be surprised to see that you're wrong in both cases.
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<BR>Again, who said I was originally responding to you? And they're existant facts. Just some I don't care or have time to look for. I'm still trying though. Don't give you hopes up. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">
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<BR>I never said I didn't like Disney. Do you remember me mentioning once or twice that I was only ever talking about the differences (or lack thereof) between two rides? I didn't think so.
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<BR>1) You haven't taken enough English or debate classes. Otherwise, you'd know that in order to be taken "out of context," your quotes would have to be shortened in a way that actually changes their meanings. You'd also know that the correct possessive form of the pronoun "it" is "its." Further, you'd know that if the person you're debating disputes any of your alleged facts, it means you haven't backed them up properly. You haven't.
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<BR>2) You are used to shouting down people who disagree with you face to face--or wish you could.
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<BR>3) You actually think I'm debating whether or not the Disney theme park complex is better than the Universal theme park complex. I'm not. You can talk about it all you want--I'm not stopping you, and picking apart your spelling, your grammar, and your conceptual and factual errors is good practice for me.
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<BR>It looks like your assumptions are as bad as mine.
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<BR>1)Yes, you did change the meaning. Therefore, it's out of context. I know what I meant and it must have been a misinterpretation. Got it? Again, I don't care enough to look for the facts nor do I have time. I found the Family Magazine issue. I don't have a scanner though. We'll just say my stats were fairly accurate. The issue is a Spring 2000 special edition concerning all of the Orlando parks as well as BGT. The cover has the Epcot ball with the 2000 on it. On the bottom right hand corner is Mickey with sunglasses and a beachball. Next to it says something about "Splashing into Disney's water parks" or something along the lines. And I've always been tault that the possessive form is it's. If that's incorrect, my Honors English teacher must be fired. It's a disgrace to humanity. We don't have a debate class.
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<BR>2)I would never shout down at someone unless I knew I was right...and I'm always right. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif"> I'm not talking opinions here. I'm talking facts. I wish I had a gigantic book of facts, but it's just not that simple.
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<BR>3)Um, where are the grammar and spelling errors? And this is the internet on a forum. Not a paper I'm turning in for record or for a grade. I plainly don't care and I still do fairly well using correct grammar and spelling. And for the third time(?), I wasn't talking to you to begin with.
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<BR>Yep. I guess you were as bad as I was assuming the kind of person each other was.
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<BR>Magic Kingdom has over 45 attractions including all of the dark rides, flat rides, kiddie rides, coasters, shows, and other not including restaurants, shops, etc. 5 thrill rides.
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<BR>Epcot has over 35 attractions. 1 thrill ride.
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<BR>Disney Studios has over 20 attractions most being much larger and time consuming compared the other two park. 3 thrill rides.
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<BR>Animal Kingdom has over 15 attractions.
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<BR>USF has over 20 attractions(just like Disney Studios which was built around the same time)
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<BR>IOA has over 15 attractions(just like AK which was built around the same time)
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<BR>Yes, the IOA attractions are overall much better than AK, but Disney knows that most people that come will either go to MK(and maybe DS) or all of the parks, so it doesn't matter whether one park has all that IOA has. You can't(don't even start) compare IOA
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<BR>There you go again, issuing orders. Here I go again, ignoring them, since I was <i>never comparing them to begin with.</i>
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<BR>But since you insist that I can't, I just have to prove you indisputably wrong: I can.
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<BR>1) One day admission to IoA and Magic Kingdom both cost $48 before tax, according to their Web sites.
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<BR>2) Disney doesn't sell any Marvel t-shirts; Universal doesn't sell any Disney t-shirts.
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<BR>3) Universal is off Exit 30A from I-4, according to MapQuest.com; Disney is not.
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<BR>There. I compared them.
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<BR>When did I issue an order? And what was the point of your comparisons. Mine was to show the amount each part has to do compared with the others. The main thing was to show that MGM/USF and IOA/Disney Studios are very similar with number of attractions. This again was geared toward you, but the posters who said that Disney doesn't have as much to do, etc. Sorry if it looked that way.
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<BR>Yes, that is correct--if I were comparing Magic Kingdom and IoA--and I'm not--and decided to add elements from other Disney parks that are NOT in the Magic Kingdom, that would indeed invalidate the comparison.
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<BR>Yep, but since Magic Kingdom and IOA are two completely different types of parks, I had to add in the entire Disney complex which I did put up against the entire Universal complex. So, it wasn't IOA versus Disney. I didn't(or at least didn't mean to) use Disneyland, Tokyo Disneyland, Universal's Port Adventura , etc. for those statements.
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<BR>I said that <i>I</i> saw more innovation in the rides that Universal added. You have every right to disagree. Fine? Fine.
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<BR>Is innovation a matter of fact or opinion? If it's opinion, you're absolutely correct. If it's fact, then we need more stats. What fun! <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">
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<BR>In other words, you didn't <i>have</i> any facts, even though you made several statements in the form of facts (for example, your whole tangent on the relative successes of Universal cartoons versus Disney cartoons).
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<BR>Now I see that your entire post was, by your own admission, fact-free.
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<BR>Thanks!
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<BR>I didn't say all of it was fact-free. Just hold on for my next post about the Disney and Universal cartoons.
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disneysweans
06-05-2001, 05:27 PM
Wow, that was long. How about an outline or something?

Ioa Master
06-05-2001, 05:48 PM
Let Me Make One More Comparasion With Disney And Universal.
<BR>1)Rock N' Rollercoaster Was Compieng Hulk By Giving A Launch And RNRC Opened Sevaral Months After Hulk Did.
<BR>2)Magic Carpets Of Aladdin Was Compieng One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish By Giving Control Of The Vechicle And Squirting Water At The Guests.
<BR>3)Dinorama Is Compieng Camp Jurrasic By Giving A Part Of The Park To Children.

Koaster King
06-05-2001, 05:50 PM
Here's Aladdin:
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<BR>$217.35 million in the US
<BR>$479.4 million Worldwide
<BR>8466 votes
<BR>7.5 rating
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<BR>Here's The Mummy:
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<BR>6.6 rating
<BR>$155.2 million(US)
<BR>$221.4 million(Non-US)
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<BR>Here's The Mummy Returns:
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<BR>$170.6 million(US)
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<BR>Here's Dudley Do-Right(live action):
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<BR>3.7 rating
<BR>422 votes
<BR>$9.6 million(US)
<BR>Did it go Worldwide? Does that sound like a bigger draw? Even 7 years after Aladdin?
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<BR>Dudley Do-Right(cartoon series)
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<BR>only lasted two years but re-runs continue here and there on Cartoon Network
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<BR>Aladdin(series):
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<BR>lasted 3 years and still re-runs on 3 separate Disney stations regularly
<BR>Other facts:3 video games, 7 made for video shows, 2 sequels, an ice show,...
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<BR>One Fish Two Fish-No film related facts
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<BR>Anything else you need?
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<BR>1)a coaster which was announced in Spring/Summer '98, a year before IOA even opened
<BR>2)Aladdin and One Fish aren't exactly E Ticket attractions, therefore, they aren't going to take away one from the other. It's just an extra thing kids can have fun on and it expands the Adventureland area. Aladdin wasn't just placed there alone. There was also major remodeling of Adventure to the Aladdin theming to an Agrabah Bagaar.
<BR>3)Same as number two. Neither will take away from the other. DinoRama was just to add some more things to do for everyone and to open the area to the theming of the new Crazy Mouse coasters and the new Triceratops Spin(yes, a new Dumbo/Aladdin/One Fish ride). You do know that parks expand?
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<BR>To add to all that, you could say that the entire Islands of Adventure theme park was made by Universal to compete with Disney and BGT. It's pretty smart and pretty obvious huh? And Wet 'n Wild to compete with River Country and Typhoon Lagoon leading to Blizzard Beach(one of the best waterparks ever, IMO). It's all about money and competition. Be glad that's a factor. If it wasn't we might have never seen IoA. Maybe?<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Koaster King on 2001-06-05 18:06 ]</font>

disneysweans
06-05-2001, 05:59 PM
Those are interesting Koaster King. I've never seen stats for those movies side by side before. I'm still not exactly sure what your overall point is though.<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: disneysweans on 2001-06-05 18:01 ]</font>

Koaster King
06-05-2001, 06:11 PM
I forget the point myself. I think it was something about proving the Disney popularity over Universal and how(most likely) one(Disney, and more specifically Aladdin) will bring in more guests than the other(One Fish, Two Fish). The Mummy grosses came from DBCooper saying something along the line that The Mummy had bigger grosses than Aladdin. Dudley Do Right comes in somewhere as well.

IOAmilleniumforce
06-05-2001, 07:34 PM
The only reson Aladdin has made more money than The Mummy is because Aladdin is a film the both kids and adults can see, while The Mummy is something adults would not take their little kids to see. Aladdin sucks anyway, it's all the babies acroos the world that like it and make it a high-grossing film. And since everyone has been talking about copying, Aladdin is copying what the Arabs do every day.

IOAmilleniumforce
06-05-2001, 07:35 PM
The only reson Aladdin has made more money than The Mummy is because Aladdin is a film the both kids and adults can see, while The Mummy is something adults would not take their little kids to see. Aladdin sucks anyway, it's all the babies acroos the world that like it and make it a high-grossing film. And since everyone has been talking about copying, Aladdin is copying what the Arabs do every day.

DBCooper
06-05-2001, 08:23 PM
KoasterKing,
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<BR>You are still wrong about its versus it's. My source is Strunk and White's <i>Manual of Style.</i>
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<BR>Yes, I do know all the features of the Aladdin ride. I just never felt the back-and-forth motion was a particularly big deal.
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<BR>Anytime you say "you can't," "you must," or "don't even start," you're issuing an order.
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<BR>I don't have to cite any figures on movies. You brought them up; therefore, the burden of proof devolves to you.
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<BR>However, I do have to say that I very much appreciate the overall tone of your last post, which seemed much friendlier to me.
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<BR>As far as innovation: yes, that is my opinion.
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<BR>Also, just so you know, I'm planning a multi-park Disney trip--though, due to funding, it will probably have to wait until early 2003. I do plan to catch up on all the stuff I missed.

Rider
06-05-2001, 08:52 PM
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<BR>And guess what? Egypt is a real place!!!

Nosk8er
06-05-2001, 09:02 PM
oh well it sounds like a well thmed ride that should become a classic

Koaster King
06-06-2001, 12:24 AM
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<BR>KoasterKing,
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<BR>You are still wrong about its versus it's. My source is Strunk and White's <i>Manual of Style.</i>
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<BR>Thanks for telling me. Seriously, I've always been taught it's. I'm glad to learn the correct way. Thanks!
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<BR>It's not a big deal, but I guess it doesn't matter who had the original idea. If Cedar Point builds a Intamin Giga(a fact of course), then Six Flags Worlds of Adventure just down the road builds an Intamin Giga two years latter and the only difference is layout and theming would that mean they were copying? Was IOA copying the Tea Cups ride from Disney to make Storm Force? Not really. And so Disney isn't copying Aladdin. They're just in demand for another ride to help capacity. It's a pretty good idea if you ask me and I think One Fish Two Fish was pretty nice as well. What else do you want or can you do on a Dumbo type ride? I think it will be a while before Disney flips these upside down or uses real carpet. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">
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<BR>Sorry. I really wasn't thinking the way you took it. I can't make you do something. And that wasn't near what I actually meant. That's why I hate badly moderated forums. You get to see how stupid everyone really is(not talking about you:)).
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<BR>Did you see them above? And I hate the word burden. It feels like such a bad word. Like everything is one your shoulders. It doesn't feel that great. But moving on...
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<BR>However, I do have to say that I very much appreciate the overall tone of your last post, which seemed much friendlier to me.
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<BR>Thanks. As I said before, I wasn't deliberately trying to sound like it came out. It comes out very different if you're face to face for certain statements.
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<BR>Very well then. I guess it really is opinion. No one can factually tell you something is or isn't innovative.
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<BR>Also, just so you know, I'm planning a multi-park Disney trip--though, due to funding, it will probably have to wait until early 2003. I do plan to catch up on all the stuff I missed.
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<BR>Excellent! I hope you have fun. Try to wait until Mission:SPACE opens at Epcot as well. It sounds like a really cool ride. Very innovative. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> Hopefully, they'll have another big E-Ticket attraction open as well. Don't miss RnRC, TZTOT, and of course, Splash Mountain.
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<BR>I'm spoiled. I've been to Disney every year for the past 7 years or so. Not this year though. I get a thrill park Summer-CP, SFWoA, PKI, BGW, SFA, PKD, SFoG, HW, SFGAm,...
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<BR>I never get tired of Disney. Don't go in expecting a Thrillseekers dream of course. And stay at a Disney Resort. You'll <!-- BBCode Start --><B>know</B><!-- BBCode End --> you're in Paradise. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"><BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Koaster King on 2001-06-06 00:26 ]</font>

Rider
06-06-2001, 10:59 AM
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<BR>However, I would like to know: is your statement about "a lot of people from Disney" going over to IoA "along with Disney ideas" a fact or an opinion? If you are calling it as fact, I'll accept it if you cite your sources.
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<BR>Jim Hill. He wrote about that at Mouseplanet. They have not re-posted the article at laughingplace yet.

Scoz
06-06-2001, 11:30 AM
Disney is a good park and I was not looking forward to going to it, but when I went to Disneyland, Florida 2 years ago I changed my whole view of it. Rock 'n' Rollercoaster was great and the Animal Kingdom was good. Really its bad to have a go at Disney because they are basically the Fathers of Theme Parks.

B&MAaron
06-06-2001, 03:54 PM
First off i hate all the disney fans posting huge things that are made mostly of quotes and you giving two sentence commentary. It's annoying! And movies have nothing to do if one park's attractions are better than another's. Jurrassic Park was a better movie than Dudley Do-Right(I'm surprised no one has pulled up stats on that, but im sure disney fans dont want to since jurassic park and the lost world are two of the highest grossing movies ever.) but i think most everyone will agree that dudley do-right the ride is better, but jurassic park is still really cool espacailly the first time u ride it. MK is the second best real THEME park in the country besides IOA in my opinion. IOA has expanded so much on what Disney has done and really made an overall unbeliveable <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif"> park.
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disneysweans
06-06-2001, 04:10 PM
I have some problems with that post. You say talking about movies is off topic, but you talked about some movies. I'm not sure is you mean Dudley Do-Right the movie or the ride is better, but I think the ride isn't all that wonderful. For a flume ride it's good, but the theming is terrible. It is comprised of card board cut outs and video clips which add to the lack of clarity of the ride. I would consider myself somewhat of a Dudley Do-Right fan also (I have seen enough episodes to get the general idea) and i think the ride was poorly done.

B&MAaron
06-06-2001, 05:43 PM
First off I did not say movies are off-topic I said the quality of the movies each studio makes has nothing to do with the quality of the attraction which many people seemed to think. Considering the topic of this post is about a guy who got an early ride on Aladin, I'd say just about every reply is off topic including yours. I think Dudley Do-right is an awesome ride, how can you say no to that drop into the mine shaft with the explosion. How about all the little hidden jokes like the baddie eating out of a dish that says crow at the end. That's my problem with your post

IslandKG
06-06-2001, 09:12 PM
I am a huge UO fan. I love IOA, the Portofino Bay resort, and the amazing attention to detail.
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<BR>I'm also a huge WDW fan. I love Epcot, the Polynesian resort, and the magic you feel there.
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disneysweans
06-06-2001, 10:09 PM
Well, I didn't say "no" to the drop- which is quite good. I'm saying that the rest of the ride is lacking. Let me put it this way- I think the Popeye raft ride is awesome, one of the best river raft rides out there. They could have taken Dudley Do Right and gone farther. In concern to off topic, i think someone started with "Boring...going to IOA" which then turned this into a debate about whether IOA is better than WDW (if I read this topic correctly) and from there it has been sent off topic a couple of times and you previous post just added further to it. That's not necessarily bad, but I read your post and the way you wrote it makes it seem like you are contradicting yourself. That's all.

DBCooper
06-08-2001, 01:07 AM
Right.
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<BR>First of all, I would like to apologize to everyone who got sick of Koaster King's and my debate, since things got REEEEEEALLY long and involved in both our posts.
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<BR>Koaster King, I completely missed your movie stats the first time through. I either paged past it, or read through and ignored it. I don't know why. They're still on that page, plain as day. I just missed 'em the first time. Hm.
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<BR>Oh, and I would also like to apologize about another typo: my source for "its" vs. "it's" was <i>Elements of Style</i> by Strunk and White. I also use the Associated Press Stylebook and Libel Manual. (This reminds me--does ThrillRide need professional writers, editors or proofreaders? <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> )
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<BR>Now then, <b>back to Aladdin</b>! <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">
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<BR>I would love to hear from people who have been on it.
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<BR>What was it like? Did you bring your kids with you (if applicable)? How did you feel about it? Did you enjoy it?
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<BR>(No, I'm not doing any kind of professional or scientific survey. I just wanna know.)

Kraken
06-08-2001, 02:22 PM
For all you Disney fans, Disney did NOT come up with the idea of the theme park. Holiday World(then called Santa Claus Land) was opened in 1946 and everything was themed to Santa Claus and Christmas.

disneysweans
06-08-2001, 05:31 PM
Do we have to start this again??????????????????????????

Kraken
06-08-2001, 10:25 PM
Well, it's true!

disneysweans
06-09-2001, 09:24 AM
If we want to get technical here, Holiday World (when it opened) as Kraken said, consisted of Santa Claus and Christmas decorations. However, this was it. Is it a theme park? I guess I can see that point, but it is centered around only one theme. The point I was trying to make way back when was that Disney was the first to use multiple themes in a theme park, which led to similar things at parks today (Six Flags, Universal, Cedar Fair, etc.)

B&MAaron
06-09-2001, 07:04 PM
Disney really was the first. I also like most of Disney's parks and really think they do a great job, but i like IOA better mostly because they bring that themeing to thrill rides which Disney has rarely done.

Kraken
06-10-2001, 12:33 AM
Disney can't theme thrilling rides, onlt tame ones.

Swimming King
06-10-2001, 11:59 AM
Look at Rock 'N' Roller and Tower of Terror Kraken. Are you telling me that they diddn't theme those rides up? They might not be the most thrilling rides in the world, but they're pretty darn good. And Disney Themes semi-thrilling rides like Space mountain, Thunder Mountain, and Splash Mountain. Mission Space will probably be great as well. I think you're just a little too crtitcal of Disney, Mr. Kraken. Lighten up eh! <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

DBCooper
06-10-2001, 10:12 PM
Okay. We've got Holiday World as the first single-theme park. Apparently Disneyland in Anaheim qualifies as the first multiple theme park, though there may be someone else with information on another that opened first.
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<BR>Has anyone ridden the Aladdin ride, and if so, what were your impressions?

Kraken
06-10-2001, 10:51 PM
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<BR>Look at Rock 'N' Roller and Tower of Terror Kraken. Are you telling me that they diddn't theme those rides up? They might not be the most thrilling rides in the world, but they're pretty darn good. And Disney Themes semi-thrilling rides like Space mountain, Thunder Mountain, and Splash Mountain. Mission Space will probably be great as well. I think you're just a little too crtitcal of Disney, Mr. Kraken. Lighten up eh! <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">
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<BR>Rock n Roller Coaster is WAY too slow, you crawl through it. and Thunder Mountain and Space Mountain thrilling? Do you know what those are called without the big mountain and space-age dome? Kiddy Coasters!
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<BR>ToT, I will give credit to, becuase I like the airtime.

disneysweans
06-14-2001, 12:45 PM
Sorry, I would have replied to this earlier but I was on vacation in Santiago. Anyways,
<BR>"Rock n Roller Coaster is WAY too slow, you crawl through it"- Rock 'n' Roller Coaster is a LIM coaster. I highly doubt you can "crawl" through it. You can try, but I'm pretty sure it won't work. I think the problem here is that some people can't accept the fact that Disney is better than IOA. I agree with the people who say you can't compare them because Disney is playing in the big leagues, while IOA is in the minors. Is this gonna change? Probably. Does that bother me? No. Am I hungry now? Yes, very, gotta go.

OrlandoCoaster
06-14-2001, 01:56 PM
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<BR>Now then, <b>back to Aladdin</b>! <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">
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<BR>I would love to hear from people who have been on it.
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<BR>What was it like? Did you bring your kids with you (if applicable)? How did you feel about it? Did you enjoy it?
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<BR>I rode it a few weeks ago. Yes, it is very pretty to look at. The detail of the ride is greatwith very vibrant colors.
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<BR>It is also in the HOTTEST place in the park with no shade in the que line. After waiting only about 5 minutes, I was ready to call it quits. Imagine what will happen during peak season.
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<BR>The cars hold four people and if I counted correctly, there were 16 cars with a potential capacity of 64 per ride.
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<BR>The ride was OK but the spitting camels (I think there was just one) must have been on break. There was no spitting, water, anything.
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<BR>It's nice, but not to start up a debate, One Fish Two Fish is MUCH better.
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DBCooper
06-14-2001, 05:07 PM
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<BR>I would love to hear from people who have been on it.
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<BR>What was it like? Did you bring your kids with you (if applicable)? How did you feel about it? Did you enjoy it?
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<BR>I rode it a few weeks ago. Yes, it is very pretty to look at. The detail of the ride is greatwith very vibrant colors.
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<BR>It is also in the HOTTEST place in the park with no shade in the que line. After waiting only about 5 minutes, I was ready to call it quits. Imagine what will happen during peak season.
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<BR>The cars hold four people and if I counted correctly, there were 16 cars with a potential capacity of 64 per ride.
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<BR>The ride was OK but the spitting camels (I think there was just one) must have been on break. There was no spitting, water, anything.
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<BR>It's nice, but not to start up a debate, One Fish Two Fish is MUCH better.
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<BR>Thanks! I'll keep this in mind. I <i>am</i> disappointed to hear that WDW chose not to shade the queue--since the theme is Arabic a la Agrabah, they could easily run some bazaar-style open-air tenting over the queue...
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Robert Walker
06-14-2001, 05:13 PM
Its about time this topic, got back on topic. Maybe they will be adding some sort of screening. But it isn't like Disney to have it up before they open the attraction.

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06-14-2001, 06:08 PM
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<BR>Sorry, I would have replied to this earlier but I was on vacation in Santiago. Anyways,
<BR>"Rock n Roller Coaster is WAY too slow, you crawl through it"- Rock 'n' Roller Coaster is a LIM coaster. I highly doubt you can "crawl" through it. You can try, but I'm pretty sure it won't work. I think the problem here is that some people can't accept the fact that Disney is better than IOA. I agree with the people who say you can't compare them because Disney is playing in the big leagues, while IOA is in the minors. Is this gonna change? Probably. Does that bother me? No. Am I hungry now? Yes, very, gotta go.
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<BR>After the 57 m.p.h launch and the Cobra Roll, there is a bunch of brakes! there are 3 brake runs before the final run into the station!

disneysweans
06-15-2001, 02:08 PM
Are you sure there are three brake runs? I'm not sure myself, haven't been down there in a while, but I still hold my point that you can't "crawl" through it.

RiddRevenger
06-15-2001, 06:13 PM
The main point is that Disney and Universal have different ideas of what a theme park should be. I like them both, but I'm more in favor of Disney thats all. Someone in this forum is just looking for an argument by making extreme accusations.

Kraken
06-15-2001, 07:27 PM
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<BR>Are you sure there are three brake runs? I'm not sure myself, haven't been down there in a while, but I still hold my point that you can't "crawl" through it.
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<BR>When I say crawl, I was using figurative launguage, I didn't mean I could get on my knees and actually crawl. And there are 3 brake runs. It's in the dark so you can't tell. The first on eis right after the cobra roll, cuts about 25 m.p.h of speed.

Screamweaver
06-15-2001, 07:51 PM
All I know is, IMO Indiana Jones is perhaps the greatest darkride ever created. And Space Mountain is the greatest indoor coaster. I'll take a ride on these two over anything at IOA. Not to mention that parks just don't get anymore perfect than Disneyland! <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">

viperlord
06-26-2001, 10:30 PM
I didn't bother to read through all of this arguing,but it sounds really interesting.
<BR>Well before I get started I am an IOA fan.
<BR>And also if any of this has been metioned before don't go yelling at me.
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<BR>I think Disney Copied Universal with their ...
<BR>Universal studios-Disney came out with MGM studios.
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<BR>Also Disney hasn't just copied Universal.
<BR>They added Animal Kingdom to compete with Busch Gardens Tampa.
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<BR>Even though Busch pretty much just built Rhino Rally to rub who the better Animal park is in Disneys face.
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<BR>Well thats all I can think of..
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Kraken
06-26-2001, 11:09 PM
Yea, Disney completly jacked the Animal Kingdom concept, and they didn't even pretend to be original.