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B&M Fanatic
11-18-2001, 03:30 PM
does anyone know how we are going to be flying like what position or does anyone have any pics of the air trains

davidhinds84
11-18-2001, 04:42 PM
no one knows yet, its all a top secret, the trains will most likely be the main part of the ride, and i doubt we will see them until opening day. it is thought that you board the ride sitting inverted style and then you are hoisted upwards into flying position. but as i said, no one knows for certain.

B&M Fanatic
11-18-2001, 05:34 PM
that sounds so cool will you be flying the whole time or on your back for some of it

Knatte
11-19-2001, 09:50 AM
There's no pics of the train itself yet but at Alton Towers AIR show they show a model and on the model there's flags wich shows how the train will look like from the side... It look like this (http://www.angerwithin.co.uk/sw5/images/Model/model009.jpg) But i can't wait to see how the real trains will look like but i'm sure we wont see the trains till they open it or maybe a little bit earlier... :) ;) :) I hope it helped a little bit.

davidhinds84
11-19-2001, 12:53 PM
the ride is as follows, you start underground, a 90 degree turn to the right, then you accend the lift hill, theres a small first drop into a 180 degree banked turn, then a larger drop into a hill which has an inversion at the top, which flips you onto your back, then theres another drop into a large helix taken on your back flying backwards! then another flip takes you on to your front, and you drop undergruond again, then you come up and into another banked helix, into another inversion, which seems to be inbetween a corkscrew and an inline twist... he rest remains un known, but on the model it shows a final turn, but alot of people have heard of something else thats been kept a secret, who knows!!!

Skye
11-19-2001, 01:39 PM
Really? i thought it was just a turn. what makes you think it's something else? i doubt it, don't get your hopes up. I know theres a ditch in the ground (like nemesis final corkscrew) that is open and made of concrete but i think that just swings into the brake run. Any pics?

davidhinds84
11-23-2001, 10:53 AM
someone recently visited AT in the closed season and said it wasnt hugely different but different to the model in some way, he couldnt take any photos. i dont think it will be a huge difference,

edh101985
11-25-2001, 11:40 AM
here is a updated website with picts:

http://www.jonessoft.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/chris/

Under "my designs"

gravitron
12-08-2001, 04:07 PM
those are not confirmed recreations are they?

edh101985
12-09-2001, 12:59 PM
i dont think so.

Skye
12-09-2001, 01:41 PM
we know the model isn't 100% accurate, but i doubt it will be any thing really different....maybe like a l shape or something instead of an 90 degree turn.....but even thats hopeful.

Gareth Lewis
12-10-2001, 11:55 AM
Pics of the air trains will appear at the site below at 8.30pm.

http://www.sw5live.com

This isnt my site.

Skye
12-10-2001, 01:16 PM
yeah its say they will be up at 8pm, i check around 9pm if no one else has already.

Rob Wootten
12-10-2001, 03:14 PM
Cool pix!! just makes me even more excited about riding Air! The seats arent actually fully flat, but I'm not gonna quibble over that!!!

Knatte
12-10-2001, 03:23 PM
Those are some pretty thin OTSR's. Looks like it'll give the flying effect. But good work sw5live and thank you for a winter update :)
Nice final turn too...

edh101985
12-10-2001, 03:51 PM
those are cool train picts. I cant wait to ride the one SFOG is getting.

MForce2k
12-10-2001, 06:27 PM
Anyone ever notice that on AIR (the new B&M flying coaster @ Alton towers) That on the lift hill, you go UP facing DOWN? Whereas on other flying coasters you face up until the top? I was just looking at the construction pics and noticed that, pretty weird, but sweet!!

Aaron
12-10-2001, 06:38 PM
I did notice that. I design my flying coasters in RCT like that, and it'll be great to have one in real life.

edh101985
12-10-2001, 07:16 PM
yea, that is kinda the purpose of b&m coasters. You start out also in the flying position so you have to go up the lift hill facing first.

KoasterKing
12-10-2001, 07:17 PM
your just noticing that? j/k lol. but i hope the restraints are comfortable!

Hector
12-10-2001, 09:39 PM
Air's Trains (http://www.ttxtra.com/air/closedseason.htm) are here. Keep in mind the restraints are not on yet.

Hector
12-10-2001, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by Knatte
Those are some pretty thin OTSR's. Looks like it'll give the flying effect. But good work sw5live and thank you for a winter update :)
Nice final turn too...


The restraints are not in.

Natelox
12-10-2001, 10:14 PM
you load in that position too. when Chris Sawyer was creating RCT, do u think he knew something we didn't?

Richard Wilson
12-11-2001, 03:29 AM
Well, Chris Sawyer is buds with John Wardley, and chances are he consulted with the firms such as B&M to get accurate depictions of them in the game. Chances are he had seen the plans for the AIR trains. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the Flying Coaster in RCT was based on the Vekoma Flying Dutchman, with an above track station and sitdown train type entrance to the trains.

I'm going to merge this with an existing "Air Trains" discussion

Chip
12-11-2001, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by RCFreak
The restraints are not in.

What do you mean by that? The restraints sure look like they're on the trains now. Maybe you mean the padding or something, because in the close-up of them, you can see that they are restraints. I wonder how B&M is going to manage to make those comfortable. We'll all have to wait and see.

Skye
12-11-2001, 01:06 PM
i think its more to with the fact that the slc in rct shares the same track with the flyer - chris only had to switch the trains around with no new animation.

birderboy
12-11-2001, 03:53 PM
AIR trains have arrived! See http://www.sw5live.com/

http://www.ttxtra.com/air/december01tn.jpg

http://www.ttxtra.com/air/december21.jpg

birdie311
12-11-2001, 09:26 PM
Those are weird looking harnesses. Looks nice though.

Gareth Lewis
12-12-2001, 07:58 AM
Well Sawyer could have just stuck flying cars on the B&M inverted track in RCT, the flying coaster in RCT is defo based on the Vekoma Flying Dutchman.

Andy Rathe
12-12-2001, 11:39 AM
Duplicate threads merged (again). Please search before posting!

Dark Luke
12-12-2001, 04:42 PM
The flying coaster in RCT has Vekoma track graphics. However, it does represent BOTH B&M's and Vekoma's flying dutchman coasters. Since loopy landscapes came out, you can now have face down lifts and face down stations (what B&M does). (You can even make a mobius flying in RCT where one station has B&M style stations and the other one have Vekoma style stations and lifts!

PaulC1611
12-13-2001, 08:45 AM
Check out www.sw5live.com the trains r wrapped in plastic still but you can c eough to get you excited.

Ste
12-13-2001, 01:44 PM
r wrapped in plastic still but you can c eough to get you excited

where have i heard that before! :D

DDFire19
12-15-2001, 12:18 AM
just put flying cars on a b&m inverted track on rct and you have b&m flyer. You can only stay in the prone position though, but that's how it ought to be anyways.

slipknot8527
12-15-2001, 01:50 AM
Have you'll looked at the trains closely? Uh, they suck. They look like 1st generation freefall cars! They have narrow bars for OTSR and its all boxy and closed up. Really un beemerish if you ask me. Wonder whats going on?

edh101985
12-15-2001, 08:37 AM
I dont think they put it all together yet. They still have to put the restraints on. You cant really tell what it looks like now since it is in the plastic. Wait till the final product to judge what it looks like.

davidhinds84
12-15-2001, 04:56 PM
hahaha how you can say they look bad this early is hilarious!

they havent even had their wrapper removed and you're already having a bash out coaster, the thin bar that you talk of is most likely the front bar which is there for those who wish to hold on, the restraints which hold you in are not yet visible and will most likely be added to the trains at a later date... you dont think B&M would leave out their trademark chunky restraints would you LOL ;)

slipknot8527
12-16-2001, 02:16 AM
LOL....yes, lets all laugh out loud at the silly slipknot fool. (points and laughs) :(

They add the OTSR later? Are we sure? Also, it seems to be tilted forward a little bit rather than straight down.

davidhinds84
12-16-2001, 11:19 AM
sorry didnt mean to sound too rude, but yeah they do seem to add the restraints on afterwards, or we just cant see them due to the plastic... they seem a bit tilted forward but remember they can move from normal inverted style to completly flying.

slipknot8527
12-16-2001, 02:31 PM
I remember seeing some animation on these boards where they were very open...but these look sorta closed up. Like there are walls on the outside. Im telling ya, it looks like a 1st generation freefall car. Oh well, if its built by B&M, I guarentee it will be an excellent coaster from start to finish.

Skye
12-17-2001, 01:36 PM
Whatever it will be good. They aren't gonig to mess this up! I'm more intersted in what Sfogs flyer looks like than what the harnesses will be like. It won't be clear until they start testing in a month or so........Hopefully it'll get on TV in february like Oblivion did.

davidhinds84
12-17-2001, 02:50 PM
we had some people get upset when they heard someone else was getting a B&M flyer, i dont understand why? its not as if we're losing out lol. im quite interested into what it will look like because it wont have any height restrictions unlike ours... and im not saying its a bad thing for us. (thought id stop an argument coming about how nemesis is better because of the restrictions etcetc)

edh101985
12-17-2001, 04:22 PM
I think the people are just jealous that AT wont have a one of a kind coaster. They shouldnt be jealuous. They should be glad more people then just them can experience that kind of thrill.

Kidiscoaster
12-18-2001, 03:31 PM
From all the artists impressions of the air trains, they do not look comfortacle at all. I mean where do you put your feet when you get in the train and what if your feet slip off that little metal bar at the bottom of the train, you will be kneeling on the feet lap bar thingy the whole time.

Coasterking2k
12-20-2001, 01:55 PM
At the moment, not much can be seen of the trains. The part at the front will be to hold on to, i think, because of how thin they are. Also the parts that are going to hold your legs don't look as though they are fixed on yet.

http://www.ttxtra.com/air/december01tn.jpg If you look there, you can see a metal bar that runs across the train to hold you in, and then more safety restraints might come in. Well, we'll just have to wait and see. I'm going to be going next year, it's only a 1 hour drive away!:D :D

slipknot8527
12-22-2001, 08:21 PM
Hey come on now...it's B&M we're talking about here! I guarentee, if they designed those seats, they will be comftorable enough to sleep in.

Graham
12-23-2001, 08:35 AM
Iím shore the trains will be grate I mean Its B&M. :)

davidhinds84
12-23-2001, 09:01 AM
john wardley has tested them out somewhere and has mentioned that they are extremly comfortable and easy to get into and out of.

DeKalb
01-18-2002, 09:03 PM
I wonder if the SFOG trains are in yet, and if they are gonna have pics of them...

I think that because they just haven't said much about the trains doesen't mean they're gonna be bad.

B&M!! B&M!!!

edh101985
01-18-2002, 09:07 PM
they will probably be in within a month or so when more track goes up. And we will probably see pictues provided by the person who took the other picts.

lukejpowell
02-16-2002, 12:20 PM
Is it me or are the Air and Superman trains gonna be slightly different, or is it just innacurate drawings???

Air - http://www.ttdb.com/sw5live/press08.jpg

Superman - http://www.meritusllc.com/RMU/new2002/mvc874s.jpg

EastCoaster
02-16-2002, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by lukejpowell
Is it me or are the Air and Superman trains gonna be slightly different, or is it just innacurate drawings???

Air - http://www.ttdb.com/sw5live/press08.jpg

Superman - http://www.meritusllc.com/RMU/new2002/mvc874s.jpg
The trains are the same. If you go here http://www.ttdb.com/sw5live/december14.jpg you will see the trains for AIR. The link you posted for the AIR trains is just an artist rendition. B&M would not change the trains that much for the same type of coaster. The only coaster I can think of that has a different train configuration is Alpengeist with its leader car. Here check this pic out of Alp to see what I mean. http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery277.htm?Picture=8

ScreaminDeltaDemon
02-19-2002, 06:41 PM
Coasterforce.com has posted the following image. It is supposedly AIR in testing. Can you tell me what is wrong with this picture....

I believe this photo to be altered. AIR doesn't have those types of restraints and also, look at the position.. almost vertical....

You be the judge.. let's hear your comments..

Chip
02-19-2002, 06:45 PM
BATGIRL, those look like Kraken's trains. I already said that in one of the polls posted about this.

Coaster Boy
02-19-2002, 06:47 PM
I say it's fake. Those look like floorless trains to me. Besides, why is the picture so blurry if it's so small? I say it was altered.

SpongeBob
02-19-2002, 06:49 PM
Lemme list my reasons:

1. According to the drawings(the ones of the diagrams of the trains) of the B&M flying trains that came with S:UF those trains don't match at all and look nothing like the actualy photos of the AIR trains.

2. If that was real then you why beare you sitting up right with your head towards the ground at all times except in non-inverted spots. Ouch, that hurt the ol' shoulders.

3. Apparently the train is going the wrong direction.

4. Wouldn't they want to post more pictures of it testing if it was the first time it was allowed? (This (#4) can be argued but I don't want to argue it)

As you can see it is terribly fake by all means.

Dan Van Dam
02-19-2002, 07:37 PM
I really can't believe how many of you are complete morons!!

That photo is from the Sunday Times - you are looking at the underside of the seats in prone position - I mean come on - the seats have to be quite big - thats why they look vertical.

The photo was supplied by Tussaud's to the press - It's not fake.


Anyway - be morons if you want, or go see the full article from the paper at http://www.sw5live.com

You should take a look at this image

http://www.ttdb.com/sw5live/press08.jpg

and then you'll see what the photo is showing you.

cgodsey
02-19-2002, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Dan Van Dam
I really can't believe how many of you are complete morons!!

That photo is from the Sunday Times - you are looking at the underside of the seats in prone position - I mean come on - the seats have to be quite big - thats why they look vertical.

The photo was supplied by Tussaud's to the press - It's not fake.


Anyway - be morons if you want, or go see the full article from the paper at http://www.sw5live.com

You should take a look at this image

http://www.ttdb.com/sw5live/press08.jpg

and then you'll see what the photo is showing you.

You see.. that is what is wrong with these boards... People have information to prove something otherwise, but they insist on calling people morons or idiots while presenting that information.

If that is indeed the trains, they are not as horizontal as the vekoma flyer is... actually more like an angled invert.

I was simply pointing out something that made the photo look altered... there was no need to call me or any other person that saw those same discrepancies a moron or an idiot. I would never publically call someone that. Maybe you should think about that next time before you post...

Also, on another note, why did Wardley remove this AIR and Collosus photos from his website. His Site Works link is totally gone now.. He had a photo on there that had a bit of the back of the train in it.... again, it looked nothing like the one in the photo.. maybe the photo is just too blurry to make it out.. who knows...

Chris

Andy Rathe
02-21-2002, 12:21 PM
Lets be civil to each other! We've all got different opinions, so lets respect them without calling people names.

Dan Van Dam
02-21-2002, 02:05 PM
I want to apologise, didnt mean to over-react...

On looking closer at that photo from the press and the photos of the train in the parking lot - it does appear that they do not match, even taking into account the fact that the trains are being viewed upside down and from the back..

I've heard a rumour that the train in the "fake" photo is just some sort of test train - possibly rigged to test the forces and safety of the ride, I know some companies supply that service - but that seems far fetched to me. Well, it's less than a month to go - so We'll see for sure then.

edh101985
02-25-2002, 04:00 PM
look here http://www.ttdb.com/sw5live/february2002.htm

Graham
02-25-2002, 04:49 PM
pics of the train are here (http://www.ttdb.com/sw5live/february2002.htm) !!!!!!!!:)

Natelox
02-25-2002, 05:40 PM
link doesn't work.

edh101985
02-25-2002, 05:43 PM
Now it works

Chip
02-25-2002, 05:43 PM
He got the code wrong. This (http://www.ttdb.com/sw5live/february2002.htm) is the correct link. The trains look pretty cool. It's good to see some actual pictures of them running, not one that could be a fake (remember that earlier?).

James
02-25-2002, 08:06 PM
they look cool...they have testers on them(sand bags or whatever they use)..and lookk that pic was not a fake..it was not a floorless train :)

slipknot8527
02-25-2002, 11:16 PM
Oh man....do some people feel stupid...see, those pics were real! Hahaha..... "Oh that picture is %110 fake" hahahhaa...ah, my moment of truth.

Hector
02-26-2002, 02:55 AM
I don't see why the need to gloat. I think they look cool and are B&M but I like how Vekoma's LOOKS* more then B&M's. I can't wait to ride it and see the vids for it. AT sure haaas got a winner and with there superb theming it will be even better. Does anyone know the theme yet?

edh101985
02-26-2002, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by slipknot8527
Oh man....do some people feel stupid...see, those pics were real! Hahaha..... "Oh that picture is %110 fake" hahahhaa...ah, my moment of truth.

You still dont know that first picture is real! In that other picture, their was no space between the trains, unlike the newer pictures.

Dr.Bruce Banner
02-26-2002, 08:17 PM
Why cant they use real Test dummies???? Like me!!!:D

Natelox
02-26-2002, 09:43 PM
that looks cool!

Flix
02-27-2002, 09:49 AM
you didn't read the top he he

"Please do not link to this page or any of the images on it - please link to http://www.sw5live.com."

any, great pictures!

Andy Rathe
02-27-2002, 01:10 PM
Merged with identical thread.

Skye
02-27-2002, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by RCFreak
I don't see why the need to gloat. I think they look cool and are B&M but I like how Vekoma's LOOKS* more then B&M's. I can't wait to ride it and see the vids for it. AT sure haaas got a winner and with there superb theming it will be even better. Does anyone know the theme yet?

the theme is a secret - don't expect too much though, just continueing the forbiden valley "doom" theme, locks of rocks, trees, a military style building, and other stuff like that. Its not built into the ground like nemesis and seems to have a lot of walkways around it. Expect some props around like.....i don't know....a cardboard tank or something.

davidhinds84
03-01-2002, 09:20 AM
actually the theme is known and its not the same as the current forbidden valley... AIR is to be situated in the oasis at the end of the forbidden valley, so expect plenty of water features and trees and rocks... you wont find any thing millitary.