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Taipan
05-03-2001, 10:32 AM
Whoo hoo! First post in this forum. Have any of you been to my home park or in my country?

skyecoaster
05-03-2001, 06:06 PM
greetings fellow Aussie-thrillrider.
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<BR>Wonderland is very kewl but sadly none of our parks hold a candle to Six Flags

rollerboy182
05-04-2001, 06:29 AM
my sister who is in Australia at the mo' went there....she said it was kewl....im proud of her casue she is a whimp usually but she went on all the roller coasters and she went sky diving....wow!!

OrlandoCoaster
05-04-2001, 10:24 PM
Yes, I was lucky enough to visit it while in Australia last October. By the way, AUSTRALIA ROCKS! Great food, people, MUSIC, etc.
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<BR>I went to Wonderland on a Saturday, not too crowded. Did all the coasters and had a great time. The Bush Beast is a clone of the Grizzly at PKD and Wilde Beast at Canada's Wonderland. Unfortunately, it needs some work, or maybe just a good grease job. It was sooooooooo slow and barely made it around the course.
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<BR>I also got to go to Dreamworld on the Gold Coast and Luna Park in Melbourne. Hopefully next time I will get to go to Sea World and WB Movie World. Any other parks or coastrs I need to ride as well? Let me know!

shallowdays
05-05-2001, 12:28 AM
i enjoy wonderland but it's seriously getting boring. space probe was added about '95, '96 and since then there have been no major rides. WE NEED SOMETHING NEW
<BR>i love dreamworld, especially the tower of terror and lethal weapon at movies world is also a hoot.
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MarkRenwick
05-05-2001, 04:03 AM
i have eard something major is in the works for both wonderland and dreamworld

shallowdays
05-05-2001, 06:37 AM
i bloody well hope so

RickMick
05-05-2001, 09:30 AM
I stopped by Wonderland in 1998 on a cold and wet Autumn morning. I swear we nearly had the whole place to ourselves.
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<BR>Space Probe 7 was the first Intamin Giant Drop I did. It's great!! The Beast was a bit of a let down. Do the mid-course brakes still bring you to a near complete stop?
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<BR>~ Rich

Taipan
05-06-2001, 07:55 AM
Yeah the Beast still does that. I don't ride it anymore as it hurts too much. I dunno if the park has ever re-tracked it since it opened in 1985!
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<BR>Be sure to check the rumours, I've emailed Bob what I know. I don't know what the final decision will be yet.
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Jobe
05-07-2001, 10:56 AM
Yes its a shame about the Beast.I remember riding it about 10 years ago in 1992 and it was a lot faster then!! There was no indication of any brakage in the middle after the first hill.
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<BR>I seem to recall that Wonderland were going to build a hotel plus a wave pool.....anyone know what happened to those plans???
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<BR>Cheers,
<BR>Jobe

shallowdays
05-07-2001, 08:01 PM
on triple m (a radio station in sydney) i heared that wonderland were building a hotel, an ice skating rink and an indoor ski slope. this was on the 'rumour mill' so i'm not sure how true it is

Jobe
05-09-2001, 10:36 AM
I just read at Screamscape.com that Wonderland are looking to install a new coaster for the 2002 season.They were originally going to do a multi-looper(9inversions!!!) but a park in the UK is building one with 10...so they went back to the drawing board and are going to go with the Southern Hemispehere's biggest hypercoaster...........Yummmy..(if it is a true rumour!!)
<BR>Cheers
<BR>Jobe

shallowdays
05-10-2001, 12:42 AM
i heared a rumour a while back that wonderland were planning to install an intamin hyper but i never thought it would come true
<BR>maybe it will...

shallowdays
05-10-2001, 04:42 AM
oh, and if anyone finds out anything about it please post it

Taipan
05-10-2001, 05:16 AM
All I can say is the park has a good relationship with Intamin & Vekoma. They want a new concept ride which is another reason why they didn't go with the Megalooper as well as a Southern Hemisphere fastest/tallest etc record. Therefore an Intamin Hyper coaster makes sense, well not for the new concept part.
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<BR>It could be anything, I would've loved the looper as am an Inversion fan. Perhaps they could get a Vekoma Flying Dutchman clone of Batwing/X-Flight. The rumoured area for the new ride is between the Demon & the Rampage - behind the Action Man Arena. It could possibly run all the way to the Beast & over the Rampage's pond. This is an excellent area for an out-&-back Hyper. I have suggested that the park get a B&M Inverted or Floorless coaster as there aren't any in Aussie.

dj_danny_is_the_dude
05-16-2001, 08:31 AM
argh. wonderland getting an intamin hyper. im in heaven:). please post any info you know or find out as soon as you can everyone. wonderland is my home park and it needs a bit of tlc to get it bcak on its feet

Jobe
05-22-2001, 05:06 AM
Its about time Wonderland installed something new!!! The last major addition was Space Probe(Imtamin Giant Drop).A new Coaster is what Sydneysiders need in the wake of the removal of Luna Park's Big Dipper( I wished this had gone to Wonderland!!!)
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<BR>As an aside can anyone tell me why Paramount sold Wonderland (Hence the name change from Australia's Wonderland)??
<BR>Was the park underperforming??And since this happened no new attractions have been added.
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<BR>Comments??
<BR>Cheers,
<BR>Jobe

shallowdays
05-22-2001, 06:44 AM
paramount sold it cause it wasn't making that much money and some malaysian dudes wanted to buy it

skyecoaster
06-03-2001, 06:40 PM
Last time I went to Wonderland, my favourite part would have to be the lines - I could get off the Demon and run around to the queue again and make it for that next run! I don't know why they didn't just let me stay there all day. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

avalancheboy
06-15-2001, 04:53 AM
ive been to wonderland a couple of times and found that they needed somthing new. i didnt know that paramount once owned wonderland
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<BR>just think what wonderland would be now if paramount still owned it???
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<BR>it would be great to see a ne w ride at the park...near the demon would be great
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<BR>bb needs to have the breaks removes and re tracked so it is smoother and faster

shallowdays
06-15-2001, 08:37 PM
wonderland was a paramount park up until about 1995
<BR>you'll notice a lot of their names are similar to paramount names such as the bush beast (which is identical to the grizzly @ pkd) and the beastie

Northern ireland to australia rollerboy
06-29-2001, 09:19 PM
Wonderland needs a new ride. My friends mum
<BR>works there and he told me they are getting a new ride. One of them was a water ride.
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<BR>The Demons trains are really bad i hate them.
<BR>Also last year i rode the Bush Beast and after the first drop, up turn then you stop
<BR>for about 5 secs then you roll down the hill.
<BR>I don't like it cause it slows it down and boy does bb need new trains.

shallowdays
06-30-2001, 06:42 PM
i'm going to wonderland on monday
<BR>i'll check it out for any signs of construction

rust
06-30-2001, 11:38 PM
Alright! I emailed wonderland and found out
<BR>that The Bush Beast has been closed for annual maintenace but they don't know about
<BR>any new ride.

shallowdays
07-02-2001, 04:46 PM
i was at wonderland yesterday
<BR>i rode the bush beast
<BR>i guess it wasn't closed

dj_danny_is_the_dude
07-06-2001, 07:57 PM
I was at Wonderland yesterday and there are no signs of any construction. However, the Skyride is permanently closed and the balloon ride in Hanna Barbera Land has been dismantled except for its central support. There are also alot of chenges that have happened since I was there 4 years ago. Alot of rides have been repainted (Demon, Bounty's Revenge) and new signs are appearing all over the place. Space probe is no longer sponsored by Network 7 and is no longer called Space Probe 7. Now it is just Space Probe. Alot of midway stalls were closed as well as alot of food shops but that may hav been due to the fact that there was a very low attendance yesterday. I think Wonderland maybe undergoing a face-lift because lots of things are being tidied up and the park is looking very pretty.

JAMES007
07-07-2001, 12:34 AM
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<BR>On 2001-05-22 05:06, Jobe wrote:
<BR>Its about time Wonderland installed something new!!! The last major addition was Space Probe(Imtamin Giant Drop).A new Coaster is what Sydneysiders need in the wake of the removal of Luna Park's Big Dipper( I wished this had gone to Wonderland!!!)
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<BR>As an aside can anyone tell me why Paramount sold Wonderland (Hence the name change from Australia's Wonderland)??
<BR>Was the park underperforming??And since this happened no new attractions have been added.
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<BR>Comments??
<BR>Cheers,
<BR>Jobe
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avalancheboy
07-09-2001, 08:09 PM
i think they should get rid of bush beast. its very dated. they even have "the biggest wodden rollercoaster in the southern hemisphere" sign still up. if they dont want to demolish it fime but they need to re track it and also remove the breaks....
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<BR>the demon is mad but i think with australian safty regulations they arent going to scrap the horsecollar restraints. when they did matainence on it the trains were different and the track was smoother.....hence the new paint job.
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<BR>yes yes they do need a new ride but as far as im concerned i dont think they will get 1 soon. cmon the park has low attendance and its been ages since their last ride.....also rumours keep pouring out and nothing is happening.
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<BR>so that is my depressing explination of wonderlands future. but it is my home park and i remain faithfull to it. get somthing new guys make a once great park great again
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<BR>avalanche

Davige
07-12-2001, 05:12 AM
I just went to wonderland today and one of the ride ops said they were selling the sky hawk to pay for there new ride. But really what good ride can you get for the price of the Sky Hawk?

Taipan
07-12-2001, 06:22 AM
It could be to pay towards the new ride. Man I hope they get a Beemer or a Hyper.

shallowdays
07-13-2001, 11:00 PM
it's been six years since space probe
<BR>you'd think they'd have enough dosh for something new by now

skyecoaster
07-15-2001, 11:44 PM
I was at Wonderland on the 8th July...
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<BR>I was a bit disappointed with their opening times - they were real sticklers and wouldn't open until dead on 10 am. Even if all the rides aren't open yet it would have been nice to walk around. I remember Dreamworld was pretty lenient with their opening times.
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<BR>The Demon was rougher than I remembered, it bangs you around a bit, but it was still fun and I got 4 rides in. Although the one time we got the front carriage the on-ride photo didn't work.
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<BR>Bush Beast was also pretty rough, although the queues were fantastic and I could stay on for multiple rides.
<BR>Space Probe had pretty long lines. I only got to ride it twice. At least two of the harnesses were stuck closed so they weren't getting the turnover.
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<BR>The weather was beautiful that weekend even though rain was forecasted, which didn't happen until Monday luckily.
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<BR>All in all though, a fun day and I got about 12 rides in.

Richard Wilson
07-23-2001, 04:20 AM
does anyone know who built the woodies at wonderland? they are the only rides i dont know who built... also, a hypercoaster in ausland would rule, i can see myself stopping over on the way to the ski fields and having some true thrills... lets be honest, Space Probe and Giant Drop are intense, but we desperately need some good coasters.... and if you ask me we need another coaster somewhere at the goldcoast... something new at Seaworld would be great... i would love to wake up in a unit at the goldcoast... look across to the Spit and see a huge Hypercoaster at the sunrise...complete with waving flags :)

Richard Wilson
07-23-2001, 04:24 AM
yes, i forgot to add that Wonderland is a bit delapidated... i remember that the river rapids actually stopped pumping and drained completely just as i was at the front of the queue.... i didt want to be the people who were midcourse at the time but... they had to walk up the river... and their woodies are ridiculously rough and slow.. not to mention Demon's uncomfortable seating and restraints... Space Probe was the only ride fully working as i remember... but $13 for a mis colored polaroid of you just as you start falling is a bit much...

the queue's when i was there werent bad... i got on space probe without waiting... probably coz some meanie had set the queue-time sign to 55 mins :) but i waited an hour for the stupid river rapids to drain... then had to wait for the pumps to start again, did i mention that the toilets were dirty and there was litter around from the day before? :( they need to improve their act if they are to compete at all if you ask me :p

shallowdays
07-23-2001, 07:57 PM
the bush beast and beastie were built by philadelphia toboggan co.

Richard Wilson
07-24-2001, 02:40 AM
thanks shallowdays... i feel i have accomplished something since signing up to this a few days ago :)

The Patman
07-30-2001, 11:41 PM
An Intamin hyper would make the most sense as park attendance numbers couldn't justify a B & M creation. Wonderland also needs a nice log flume somewhere in the park as the only thing they have is Rampage and thats mediocre at best.

Dreamworld needs a nice little woody right at the back of the park it could rush through the forrest and would compliment the park nicely.

Seaworld really doesn't have the space to do anything except maybe a thrust tower which would be kinda cool.

Movieworld is planning something big but they already have a nice array of rides. Maybe it could also be a hyper to compete with Dreamworld. They have plenty of room for expansion.

Richard Wilson
08-04-2001, 12:27 AM
Dreamworld certainly does need a woodie, at the moment, I have to travel all the way to sydney to ride a crud woodie, and if they did get one, I'd hope it was Intamin in light of their relations. Although, they will probably make this Big Dipper last for the next few years. They only do things to keep the crouds, if they can keep high attendance without anything big, they will.

~prays for the day that Cedar Fair buy a park over here and turn it into a Cedar Point of Australia, maybe call it Gumtree Point :)~

Anyone know what Movieworld is getting? It could be a superman ride of some sort, hopefully something B&M

avalancheboy
08-05-2001, 07:42 AM
cedar fair should buy wonderland....but thats only whishfull thinking!!!!

it would b cool tho

kewlmatto
08-06-2001, 07:12 AM
I hardly think it'd make a difference if Cedar Fair bought Dreamworld...Dreamworld is already owned by a multi-million dollar company, and only make what they need to, as you said, aus...and Cedar Fair would do the same. Why make a Giga when there isn't a hyper to compete with? That's the way they're thinking, and, it is logical, even if it is sad for us enthusiasts..

Cedar Fair makes high-class stuff at CP, because there is *very* fierce competition around - PKI and SFWOA. But you don't see that kinda stuff happen at Valleyfair or Worlds of Fun, do ya?

I don't want Cedar Fair takin over anything - we've had enough American companies take over things! :0) Besides - they make great coasters and all - but wheres the theming - the thing that makes a good theme park brilliant??

I tell you what'd be best - Universal decides to make a new IOA-style park just north of the Gold Coast....*sweeet* :0)

As for Wonderland...what a sorry sight of a theme park....sigh....one day they'll learn.... :0)

Matt

drmoof
08-07-2001, 09:20 AM
A hyper would be very wise as it's a new concept to Australian coasters. A huge straight first drop is what Autralian coasters lack. Also I know some info regarding WBMV, the new Sooby Doo ride at WBMV will be a coaster like ride that goes indoors and out. I got this info from a person I can't mention, also I got this info way before the ride was even announced.

Honan Beetch
08-07-2001, 09:26 AM
Hmmm, wouldn't a good B&M coaster be a wonderful addition to Australia?

The Patman
08-07-2001, 07:23 PM
Like I said before Australian attendance numbers couldn't justify the 30 or so person trains on a B & M.

drmoof
08-07-2001, 10:44 PM
I don't think the B&M stlye trains would be a problem regarding attendance, as there are only like...what, maybe 4 more seats than the average coaster train. There are 28 seats on the Demon and the same on the Bush Beast. They could just have 1 or 2 B&M trains, rather than up to 4 like some other B&M coasters.

I think Wonderland should do a two coaster deal with Intamin and get a hyper followed by an Impulse later on. Because:
1. They could get a good discount from intamin for buying two coasters
2. They are two coasters Australia has never seen and
3. Wonderland doesn't have a launched coaster/ride.

kewlmatto
08-08-2001, 03:06 AM
Well, this is my take on who should get what, being realistic and all...

Seaworld - As they have limited (almost no) room left, they could get some high-adrenaline, compact rides. I think an Intamin Impulse would be great, and would really boost attendance to the park - especially in the 15-25 yr old bracket. It could fit along the east side of the ski show lake, built half on water, half on land. Also, they should get a Vekoma Air Jumper thrill ride which is themed to look like a big sailors anchor. Both of these offer great thrills, and suit the Sea theme well (an Impulse could easily be themed to Poseidon, a Tsunami or whatever).

Dreamworld - A woodie would be great, or something new and high-capacity - such as a Stand-Up B&M. Aussies would go nuts, as it is something different. And it only needs two trains - which would be sufficient. It could be a clone of Georgia Scorcher, which is compact, twisting, and very exciting. Sure it doesn't break any records - but a ride doesn't need to in order to bring people back! Also, they need to get rid of the Thunderbolt! Get rid of it!!!! Everyone complains about it - and that land would be great for a new ride. BURN IT DOWN! :)

Movieworld - I can't stress this enough - The Matrix rollercoaster - a Vekoma Flying Dutchman (the X-Flight version). This just makes sense! They got an SLC a year after the first one was made, and it boosted attendance amazingly. Time for the next step up - this will help them kill Dreamworld! They should theme it well too, with tunnels over the latter part of the ride (barrel rolls especially). It could be black with silver rims, and could be over themed land - black gravel moulded into chasms, small canyons, mist/fog sections and tunnels, as I said before. Kinda like the how Nemesis in UK dives through the ground! The entrance and pre-show could be done well too - I really think this would be perfect! Movieworld, with their A+ theming skills could make this the best ride in Australia!

And Wonderland - something which would make people bother going to the park - which means it'd hafta be pretty good! I reckon an Intamin hyper, and a new clone of Perilous Plunge (which i think is by Intamin too, so that works out) - they need another water ride and this'd be perfect for them!

What do u guys think?

Matt :)

shallowdays
08-08-2001, 04:19 AM
i think you're pretty mouch spot on, except i would rather a b&m sitdown or floorless for dreamworld

as for wonderland, bring on the intamin goodies!

Richard Wilson
08-08-2001, 07:14 AM
Yeah.... movieworld needs some high intensity rides... that matrix ride sounds cool... although what'd possible make it cooler would be to have it as an arrow 4d... maybe a few years down the track when possibly more are around... Something world class would be cool... at any park... South Africa are almost beating us for christs sake!!!

Dreamworld should get rid of that thunderbolt... its a cheap immitation schwarzkopf looper, and is about as smooth as a bad woodie.... maybe replace it with a standup, floorless or inverted...

Seaworld desperately needs something... that was like 1993 when they added Bermuda Triangle... and its a pretty poor water ride, although has a few not bad things... nothing comapared to Wild Wild West... get rid of the pinfari galaxy... its an eyesaw and a disgrace to coasters all over australia... like 50% of our steel coasters over here are that model :(

Wonderlan... GET SOMETHING... ANYTHING!!! you need a new ride to majorly boost attendance... although, if it did go out of business, then parks up at Gold Coast could possible get their rides cheap... sell the woodies for firewood, or majorly rebuild them, put demon at seaworld coz they are sorta compact, and put all the other rides around movieworld... after a huge revamping of most of the,... and we have some decent rides :)

kewlmatto
08-08-2001, 08:06 AM
I thought about an Arrow 4D for WBMW, but I think it's a little beyond their reach at the moment (kinda like a giga). Maybe one day though - they still have Superman to make a kewl coaster out of!

As for Sea World, they were thinking about getting rid of the Thrillseeker, but then thought they might just relocate it to next to the Corkscrew. Don't know what they've decided on... I think, even though it is a carnival-type, low-class ride, it is still quite a bit of fun. Nice airtime on the second drop, anyways :).

Sea World mainly want to concentrate on animal attractions, which is why they added Polar Bears, an aquarium, and soon will add a shark exhibition. But there's no denying it - they need a new ride. Maybe they could cut down the size of the waterpark - it doesn't have much and takes up a whopping amount of space.

LOL with Wonderland closing! But besides Demon, and maybe Space Probe, there's nothing worth taking... :)

Fox Studios was originally intended to be a theme park - but then they changed their minds, as they thought a theme park would be 'tacky'. If you ask me, what they've done is far more tacky. That coulda been one great park! Imagine rides themed to Speed, Buffy, X-Men, Star Wars, Futurama, The X-Files and Planet of the Apes. Not to mention the great Simpsons section they coulda made.

And I still carry a box of tissues with me everywhere after the Melbourne Paramount park was cancelled....:(

Matt

PS - Just remembered - Movieworld could make a ride themed to Sleepy Hollow if they wanted - how good would that be? They could make creepy dark woods and have a scary river raft ride, or coaster....now that'd be cool.

drmoof
08-08-2001, 08:53 AM
The problem with Wonderland is they have no competition at all. Thats why they don't build anything new often. The last ride was space probe and it opened in 1995, guess what else opened in1995? LUNA PARK. This was the only reason for Space Probe and after Luna Park closed a year later, Wonderland was free of any competion and there was no reasons to build new attractions, which sucked!

With WBMV it's by far the best park in Oz regarding installing new attractions often, followed by Dreamworld (they should have replaced 'Thunderbolt' with the 'Big Dipper') and PEOPLE, MATRIX is coming to WBMV but not until the 2 sequals are finished and released...just trust me!!! I don['t know what kind of ride it will be, a coaster/darkride or whatever but I am not bullcrapping, just trust me!!!

As for SeaWorld, they should get a S&S space shot, this is practical as they take up basically no room, easily themed to the sea, not too expensive and finally there aren't any in Autralia.

The Patman
08-08-2001, 07:07 PM
I emailed Stacy at Dreamworld to find out where the Big Dipper was going to be put but she didn't give me an answer just some meaningless stats. Where do you guys think it should go. I think it will be put right at the back of the park in a new section. I did get conformation that it would not be replacing Thunderbolt but that it would be an additional attraction. Thunderbolt has apparently just undergone a major rehap can anyone confirm that. Anyway with the money they have spent on TOT and The Giant Drop I don't think they will be getting anything new for a while. But hopefully with extra pressure taken off the Thunderbolt now with the addition of the Big Dipper they can slowly phase it out and plan something big and new to replace it with. I also think they will get rid of Blue Lagoon which has been closed for Big Brother and either turn it into a whole new area or build a seperate waterpark elsewhere.

Seaworld would look good with an impulse and it could fit without ruining the beauty of the park.

The problem Wonderland faces is that new rides especially drawcards like B & M's are incredibly expensive and with the dollar in such bad shape and attendance down they have to save up for 10 years like they have done. Most B & M's are at the very minimum USD12M so thats already AUD24M before transport and construction to our isolated continent. But all rumours and news points to the time getting closer where they will build something new and the notion we all have about a hyper has to have come from somewhere. But I wouldn't hold your breath on a number of new rides.
And can I just say how enjoyable was The Wizards Fury when you guys were kids.

shallowdays
08-09-2001, 01:03 AM
and it still is enjoyable
dreamworld has great attendance and they really didn't spend that much money on the giant drop as the tower was already built, so i can see them adding anohter new attraction in 2 - 3 years, but thats just my opinion.
as for wonderland, their attendance is awfully low, even in the summer holidays. the only way for them to boost attendance would be a new, big attraction and for that they need money. it's like a circle, they cant build anything bacause they have no money, they have no money cause their attendance is low and their attendance is low because they have no new attractions.
it sucks

oh well, thats my two cence.

Richard Wilson
08-09-2001, 02:17 AM
Forgot about fox studios... wouldnt that be wonderful if they did have something decent ride wise... from what ive seen they have a 20 minute titanic ride, surely fox could afford it... rupert murdock being aussie and all wouldnt he wanna impress us more than anything...


get rid of thrillseeker... get rid of it... only think i like about it are the fixed lapbars.. if only it had more airtime and less helix nonsense... that i suppose what pinfari are good at but... building relatively long rides in small spaces..

kewlmatto
08-09-2001, 02:17 AM
Hey all,

shallow and Pat, you guys are both right about Wonderland. But after six years of saving I hope they'll have enough for something... On another note, doesn't the exchange rate SUCK?! Let's hope it improves over the next year.

As for Thunderbolt, maintenence or rehab will never be able to save that coaster - it's beyond repair. Dreamworld spent almost a million on two new trains five years ago, with special hydrolic wheels and suspension and the like - and it didn't help in the least. I really think they should let that coaster go. Big Dipper woulda looked great there.

I've heard BD will be placed in the unused carpark immediately opposite Thunderbolt. This space is where the pieces of track and supports are already lined up in rows. Also, Dreamworld has closed the end of that road so that it is a dead end, so that they can use this land, so this does make sense. I think it'll look a bit outta place there though - it's way in front of the front gate and pokes out quite a bit. Definately get drivers on the highway drooling though.

I agree, Patman, with the Sea World impulse - it would look really graceful next to the lake, and would complement the beauty of the park already.

And with the Matrix, drmoof, to me it seems it'd be better if they made it NOW. That way, it won't be dated and could be marketed really well as the sequels are made and released... It would have more longevity that way. I just pray to lord it will be a Flying Dutchman! And Vekoma is a very international company too - more so than B&M. They cater for far away parks quite well. So bring it on! Imagine it - techno music in the station, wierd spaceship high-tech theming, and ride ops who are dressed in black trenchcoats and sunnies. Now that would ROCK!

Matt

PS Sorry for going on so much - but, you never know, a WBMW person may be listening.... :D

drmoof
08-09-2001, 09:49 AM
I wish it was that way too kewlmatto, I would rather see a 'MATRIX-The ride' rather than 'SCOOBY DOO-The ride' NOW. But you have to realise the WBMV's actual studios has never made anything really good or major besides Crocodile Dundee 3 and you can tell they are really proud of making Scooby Doo, so they are gonna use it soo much. And if they don't make a ride based on it around the time it's realeased, it will die down. But they have another chance with Matrix as they have sequals to bring them back into the lime-light.

I doubt the Matrix will date though, they built Lethal Weapon-The Ride 10 years after the movie came out and WBMV in Germany called their new SLC 'Eraser' and that movie came out it 1996.

What I was told was that Matrix was originally planned before the studios even knew that Scooby Doo was to be filmed there but they had problems in getting the Matrix deal together for it to open when the park wanted a new attraction installed (i'm guessing late 2001/early 2002) so they found it more logic to do Scooby Doo but the Matrix deal isn't cancelled just postponed, but I wasn't told what the ride was to be.

I am just praying it's a coaster! But I have a really bad feeling it's not gonna be one. I reckon it will be a darkride silmilar to Spiderman at IOA just based on the Matrix. If you've been on Spiderman you can think how easily you could convert it to a Matrix themed ride. This ride rocks though, but being a coaster enthusiast nothing beats a coaster.

The Patman
08-09-2001, 06:22 PM
I actually disagree I don't think it will be a ride like Spiderman because they already have Batman and while only a simulator they are similar experiences. Spiderman also cost USD200 million dollars thats more than all our parks combined. I think a Dutchman is a safer bet as Lethal Weapon is a Vekoma SLC so they already have a relationship. And with nothing like it anywhere within 15000 kilometres WBMW would have an incredible advantage.

Can I just say good on you Aussie guys for keeping a very interesting thread going and writing so objectively and enthusiatically.

drmoof
08-09-2001, 10:46 PM
Come to think about it, we do have a good chance that WBMV will add more coasters sometime or another after looking at their sister parks around the world. WBMV Germany has two coasters, 1 wood and an SLC and then theres WBMV Madrid, I mean look at them, they just added or are currently adding like 2 or 3 coasters or something? By B&M aswell!!! (Not saying WBMV here will use B&M).

I do agree that a flying dutchman is the best way to go for a Matrix ride as it would theme perfectly and they have the good relationship with vekoma. Just keep praying!

They could even add a wood coaster in a few years in the Wild West area of the park just like WBMV in Germany did, thats if Dreamworld doesn't get a woodie before them.

This time next week I will be in L.A!! SFMM here i come!! To bad X and DeJa Vu won't be open :( but I havn't been on Goliath yet!! That should be good.

avalancheboy
08-09-2001, 11:42 PM
i dont think cause the mw arount the world are gettin certain rides means that mw in australia will get 1

mw in au isnt owned by the same ppl that own the ones overseas. i think the 1's overseas are owned by premiere parks...dont quote me on that???

The Patman
08-10-2001, 01:06 AM
Thats true Movie World on the Gold Coast is run independently of the other parks. Plus the new MW in Madrid is a combined effort with Six Flags. So don't read into any trends.

kewlmatto
08-10-2001, 02:27 AM
Drmoof, I understand the Scooby-Doo/Matrix thing - it's just that I'm extremely impatient :D. I do, however, look forward to Scooby Doo. Apparently it will be a wild mouse by Morgan with a vertical lift system rather than a hill, and will go in and out of a haunted mansion with lotsa effects, which should be kewl.

I hope Matrix isn't a dark ride or simulator! WBMW has those covered already.

Patman, Vekoma also made RoadRunner Rollercoaster, so the park has dealt with them twice. Wouldn't it be great if they went for a hatrick! The beauty about Matrix being a Dutchman is also that it has a small height (115ft, same as Lethal Weapon), and its nice and relatively compact. And, Movieworld would rule the Gold Coast for at least a year with that beast! :)

As for the other movieworlds, they are both owned by Six Flags Inc. Village (who owns our MW, Sea World and Wet n Wild), used to own WBMW Germany, but sold it. So there won't be any more trends, I don't think. BTW, WBMW Spain is opening with *six* coasters! sigh...

A Sleepy Hollow woody would rock as well... Themed to the headless horseman and all, and interwoven in a dead forest...

Auscoasterman, Fox Studios does have two rides - the Titanic tour and a James Bond:License to Thrill simulator ride (same as the ones which used to be a Paramount Parks in USA). My sister went on this simulator and said it is poorly done - Batman beats it tenfold.. She loved Titanic though...

Matt :D

drmoof
08-10-2001, 03:28 AM
What I mean by WBMV having a good chance of getting coasters because their sister parks have them is that the park can follow the trend based on the other parks success even if they are independantly owned.

Most movie based theme parks where they have actual working soundstages, lack coasters:
eg: Universal Studios Hollywood, Florida (IOA is a thrillpark, not a studio experience) and Osaka.
Disney-MGM Studios has 1 coaster.
Fox Studios Australia (lol had to mention them)

The parks with the studios want their park to be a 'movie studio experience' rather than just a thrillpark. Thats where Warner Bros. is different they like to have more coasters than the others thats why I think WBMV QLD has a good chance on following the trend, even if they are independant.

eg. If Universal Hollywood wanted to build a woodie, how would it affect the park? Would it suite the park? Would it be too weird?
Now if WBMV wanted to build a woodie they can use the other WBMV's as examples of what their park will be like.

p.s That Sleepy Hollow woodie sounds awsome!! Cool thinking kewlmatto!

kewlmatto
08-11-2001, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by drmoof
p.s That Sleepy Hollow woodie sounds awsome!! Cool thinking kewlmatto!

Thanks Drmoof. I think it'd be a better idea rather than extending the Wild West area. A woodie there couldn't be themed very originally compared to Wild Wild West, so I think Sleepy Hollow would be great. A nice creepy "sleepy hollow" village could be made too...

I have so many ideas for Movieworld....If only they'd listen :D.

Superman S&S Towers would look great too - three towers, connected at the top by a huge Superman shield (rather than the arches used already).

But I mostly want the Matrix Flyer :D

Matt

Richard Wilson
08-12-2001, 03:15 AM
A big fat woodie at the back of MW would probably scare away movie makers coz they will say its too noisy...


Seriously, whats your source on all this info, when I called MW all they said was that they were planning a new attraction, but they arent sure what it will be... im sick to death of these parks lying to me or not telling me the truth...

I will probably be going to WBMW in a few weeks, and im gonna take my new digital camera, as well as a few of my other cameras, I will post all my shots if they are decent...
as for the scooby doo ride, sounds interesting... I am a long time fan of the scooby doo cartoons, and I think that a ride will go well with the new movie comming out staring buffy (sarah michelle gellar) :):) as daphne of course

matrix would be good...

I remembered something about Thunderbolt at Dreamworld that made me think... I originally thought that Thunderbolt was a Schwarzkopf looper, but after checking rcdb, i found at that it was in fact built by a company called Meisho who have built a few "Schwarzkopf ripoffs" in Japan and one over here. I suspect that the new cars that Dreamworld got were made by this same dodgy sounding company.. lets hope that with the Big Dipper being built, Dreamworld will realise how little they need Thunderbolt and sell it to some steel mill somewhere

drmoof
08-12-2001, 08:31 AM
Seriously, whats your source on all this info, when I called MW all they said was that they were planning a new attraction, but they arent sure what it will be...


It's says on their website that a new attraction based on Scooby Doo is opening mid-2002.

Richard Wilson
08-14-2001, 02:15 AM
They told me the exact same thing drmoof, and they said if I have any more questions i should give them another ring... i did that and all they told me was to go to movieworld.com.au

dj_danny
08-16-2001, 08:39 PM
I have been hearing that Wonderland will be getting an Intamin Hyper. Can anyone confirm this?

DyingDutchman
08-16-2001, 08:53 PM
hey to all that have been there, is giant drop any good?

dj_danny
08-16-2001, 08:58 PM
DyingDutchman, it is decent but very short. I am not sure of the height but it is not very tall. It is well themed though.

DyingDutchman
08-16-2001, 09:06 PM
not very tall? its in the world record book for being the tallest drop ride.

dj_danny
08-16-2001, 09:13 PM
You must be talking about the drop ride at Dreamworld. Wonderland and Dreamworld are in different states. Dreamworld's ride is callled 'The Giant Drop'. It is themed to and oil company. The ride has to 8-car gondolas which are built on the sides of the same tower used by the reverse-freefall T.O.T. One side of 'The Giant Drop' has a set of breaks at the top of the tower so i drops, slides 4-5m slowly down then completes the drop. It is the tallest drop ride in the world standing at 380 feet.

Richard Wilson
08-17-2001, 05:31 AM
Giant Drop is just like most free fall rides, it lasts a few seconds and feels like forever. I will be going to Dreamworld in 1 week with my digital cameras, I will surely post some shots of the ride in case you arent totally sure on what it looks like. I will also see if I can figure out where they are putting Big Dipper.

joz
08-17-2001, 07:00 AM
Latest news on Seaworld: It appears that the thrill seeker (Galaxy Roller coasters USA, not Pinfari as is the popular belief) will be moved to near the corkscrew, where the lake used to be (Its been filled in). The next step after that seems to put a new Sea Lion area where the thrill seeker is now, and on the vacant area next to polar bear shores will be a new shark area (Rumour says a Great White Shark may be one of the inhabitants). The area where the sea-lion pit is now provides the most interest. I can see one of the two following things happening:

a. An extension of Cartoon Beach
b. A S-S tower ride (Space shot presumably)

Both of these have been discussed around the park, but since either of those options are looking 5 years away, don't hold your breath, but gez, wouldn't a space shot kick ass??? Seaworld needs a new thrill ride, and that may just be the way to do it. Just one point, the shark enclosure and the idea of moving the seals seems to be gaining momentum, and looks to be third on SW's list of priorities (behind moving the Thrill Seeker and building the shark thing, which has been announced officially to open in 2002/3 but seems to have been forgotten). The only bad news is it look like the thrill seeker will stay, at least for now, but it most likely will have a safety overhaul.

Taipan2
08-18-2001, 06:42 AM
Wow, my thread is still alive & kicking. No wonder as this site has the most Aussie members of all. The discussion has been excellent. Now for my next 2Ę.

What do you mean the lake has been filled in?? That defies the name of 'Seaworld!' (I've only been there once, in 1991.) What happened to the waterski show? I agree, an Intamin Impulse or a S&S Tower ride would be perfect for the park. Doesn't the Cartoon Beach area have a Froghopper ride? They should trash Thrill Seeker, it's ugly.

Oz has a relationship with Vekoma (WLS Demon - Boomerang, DW Wipeout - Wakiki Super Flip, WBMW Lethal Weapon - SLC+ & Roadrunner kiddie coaster,) Intamin (WLS Space Probe - Giant Drop, DW Tower of Terror - Reverse Freefall & Giant Drop add-on,) Arrow Dynamics (LPS/DW Big Dipper - Jr Hyper/Twin Looper & SW Corkscrew - Loop Corkscrew.) Therefore these companies are likely to supply more coasters in the future.

Still no B&M creations, most likely they're too expensive as some of you have said. If the exchange rate is of any indication where the cheapest is US$12million, that is A$24million! The Demon (1991) cost (Aussie dollars now) $5million (2nd hand, originally the Titan at Expo '88 in Brisbane,) Big Dipper (1995) $7m (2001 DW bought for $5m,) Space Probe (1995) $10m & T.o.T (1997) $16m (Including a million bucks for erecting the tower itself! Don't know about GD - about $2m.)

Surprise, there are no Beemers in the Southern Hemisphere!! Plus B&M don't produce many per year - quality control? :) No wonder there are so many in Europe, Switzerland is practically in the centre. I was surprised that Dragon Khan, their only 8 Looper is in Spain. Now they have the Superman Floorless & B:TR. Japan has money to spend & has several Inverts (No upright trackers! Maybe they don't like track underneath them, j/k :).) IMO B&M needs to expand their market south with Oz being the first to get one.

If not B&M, there are the other companies I mentioned above. The Sleepy Hollow Woodie for WMBW sounds great. However I'm not a fan of woodies as WLS' Bush Beast has put me off them! The Matrix Flying Dutchman is another good one. However the FD's have mixed reviews. I haven't ridden one & can't say if it's good or not. Like someone said, WMBW have yet to build a Superman themed coaster. Can you say Intamin Hyper? :) Or a Floorless (wishful thinking.)

I've been taking photos of the Big Dipper's deconstruction weekly. All is gone but for station load-spreader I-beam footers. They started nearly 5 weeks ago. I emailed the media rep for Dreamworld & he says it will be rebranded (new name) & repainted. He said it will not be anywhere near Thunderbolt & the footers haven't been poured (maybe they have now.) I told him that in a futile attempt to reduce noise at LP, they only ran one 6 car train. This resulted in a terrible capacity, then again LP is a small park. I adivised that they add on another car & purchase another 7 car train to improve the capacity & waiting times.

If it is not anywhere near TB, where will it go? Strange that they bought it as it was custom-designed to fit in LP. Some people have said they've seen land-clearing in the park, I think in the back-right corner of the park behind Tiger Island. And that they've seen surveying flags & rumours popped up saying it's for a woodie. It could very well be for the Dipper. I'm wondering if the noise will bother the Tigers. Dreamworld has not followed a golden rule of RCT; 'Build the main attractions at the back of the park!' I've been there several times & have never been to the back, there are no rides there. Like someone said, hopefully after the Dipper is working, they will realise how crappy Thunderbolt is & tear it down. If T.o.T is anything to go by, an Intamin Hyper or Looper or Launched coaster would replace TB easily.

auscoasterman, it would be great if you got lots of photos of the Dipper. Someone said the track & supports are in the carpark in front of TB & that's where it will be built. I don't think so. Oh BTW, if they build it in that corner, with the Horizontal Loop & Sidewinder & Loop out of sight in the forest, that would be marvellous. However they may need a clear area to rebuild it & for photo oppurtunities. Weird that they will have TWO twin looping coasters!

As for WLS, what can I say? It was built in 1985 with mainly 2nd hand rides & owned by three Aussies. I read in the Sydney Morning Herald in 1998? that a computer company, Sun Microsystems bought the park for $200million. I asked the park media rep about this & she said "No, it was bought in 1988 by a Malaysian company called Sunway Group." They have WLS' sister park, Sunway Lagoon in their country. For more details, see RCDb. (http://www.rcdb.com/locationdetail448.htm) She said that they make the final decisions on what WLS builds. That may be, but I hate having an overseas company controlling the park. Oh, well, the same goes for thousands of things, you know what I mean.

You've read that I've said they were gonna build a 9-Looper to have opened next month, presumbly by Intamin. Someone else said that when supposedly they found out about the 10-Looper going to the UK, they cancelled it. I would've loved this as am a fan of steel multi-loopers. However another person said that the park wants a southern hemisphere record for the tallest, longest, fastest coaster, not sure which one. This Looper doesn't fit. Then word is they want a new concept ride. May or not be a coaster. New concept? Flying Dutchman? 4D? Impulse? Other than that, an Intamin Hyper would fit their specs well. Personally I want a B&M Floorless (I can dream can I? :))

Sorry about the long post, been wanting to get that all off my chest. Thanks for reading.

Kev.

kewlmatto
08-18-2001, 10:33 AM
Hey Kev,

Noticed you referred to some things that I've said in this thread. Regarding the BD placement, channel 9 news has said that the ride may be in the south carpark (no longer used). I drive past Dreamworld nearly everyday, and that is where the track and supports are neatly lined up. Now, I am not sure it will be here - the news is usually misinformed with things like this, but Dreamworld has blocked off the road that leads onto Coomera Soccer Fields/State School, and they did it so they could use that particular carpark for something in the future. And, knowing Dreamworlds illiteracy when concerning ride placement and theming, it seems a viable possibility that BD could be there. (Can you tell I'm biased towards WBMW? I still love ya, DW...but not as much :)).

Joz seems pretty much on the spot with the Sea World post, but I believe he meant that the lake behind the castle bridge, near Corkscrew, is filled in...not the Ski Lake (it will be a cold day in hell if they ever do that :D)

As much as I admire B&M, I think we can still have a fruitful coaster selection without them. Intamin, Arrow and Vekoma are producing innovative, exciting products at the moment, and are much more affordable and logical for Aussie parks (except for a 4D). This is why I would love Matrix to be a FD - in fact, there is nothing else I would rather it be. As for the mixed reviews, I think Americans are spioled by far - and, while a coaster may be outstanding in design wise, USA peeps often compare it with the big mummas (can you say MF?:D).

And personally, I really can't stand the attitude that some people and parks embody - "If it doesn't break a record, it's not a good ride". This is sooo superficial. I love record breakers as much as the next guy, but I can see the beautiful, diverse shades of grey in between black and white...

As for Superman @ WBMW, I think I'd prefer to see a ride happen after they cover other movies (matrix, SH, Scooby). And my best choice for that would be three S&S double shot towers - themed to flying/superpowers and such. That would look great from the highway, and the towers could be connected at the top by a large "S" symbol, tipped at about 50 degrees from horizontal so that it can be seen. This would make one of the towers a little shorter (for riders more scared), and the back two towers of the triangle-arrangement would be taller. This would look fantastic, and very original.

Auscoasterman, about the noise the Sleepy Hollow woodie in Movieworld would produce, I agree. However, if it was placed in the back right hand corner of the park, behind Looney Tunes Village, it would not cause a concern at all, as the studios are at the very left, and are relatively soundproof anyways (which is said on the tour). The relatively-noisy Lethal Weapon doesn't worry moviemakers, and that's the closest to the studios than anything, so I think the woodie would be great.

I think I'm gonna start a group or something - People For WBMW Building A Matrix Flying Dutchman, Sleepy Hollow Woodie And Superman S&S Double Shot Towers (or PFWBMWBAMFDSHWASS&SDST for short :D). Anyone wanna join? :D.

And while I'm on the subject (hehehe), does anyone else want to see Gremlins return to MW in some shape or form? I know I do...and I reckon the buggers should be teamed up with the martians from Mars Attacks, and other Warner monsters, to create an indoor, dark shootem ride ala USFs' MIB ride. Wouldn't that be groovy? Imagine - a Gremlins section, then a Mars Attacks, then Little Shop of Horrors (with evil plant robots), and then Beetlejuice :D How cool? They could call it the "Warner Bros. Monster Movie Tour"...It could take elements from the old Gremlins Ride, and add great new elements...And you only have the shooting option when you are in danger (which is quite often), the rest is a tour with creepy elements...

And some more flat rides at MW would rock - a Mars Attacks saucer ride, a carousel, etc. would all be cool...And more characters walking around! A Martian (well, hey, Mars Attacks is a great WB movie, and it could add the alien element to MW :)), and a headless horseman walking around would be COOL!

Matt :)

joz
08-20-2001, 05:06 AM
You have to remember that if MW did get a big ride, it would compete with SW, making SW require a new attraction to match. 1 attraction means 2, which is very expensive. John Menzies is smart and is trying to keep SW and WBMW as close to even as possible. Exactly how he's going to do that with SW's 50 acres and MW's 180+ for a long time is a mystery.

Richard Wilson
08-20-2001, 05:37 PM
However I'm not a fan of woodies as WLS' Bush Beast has put me off them!
This woodie was build in 1985 and hasnt been retracked or majorly upgraded since then, the Scenic Railway at LPM is smoother than it.

kewlmatto
08-24-2001, 06:26 PM
Very true Joz, that is the one thing that is holding Movieworld down.

How about this plan:

2002 - Sea World - Intamin Impulse Coaster
Movieworld - Scooby Doo Dark Ride

2003 - Movieworld - Matrix Vekoma Flying Coaster

2004 - Sea World - Vekoma Air Jumper (themed to an anchor)

2005 - Movieworld - Sleepy Hollow Woodie and Superman S&S Towers
Seaworld - Expansion of Cartoon Beach - Wild Mouse coaster, and some animal attractions.

This'd be cool!

BTW I saw Driven and WB has rights for that - so I already have a ride idea! I'll type it next time...

Matt :D

joz
08-25-2001, 10:34 AM
Take me their now!!! I love the ideas!!! Still, do you think it might be a bit much too soon? oh stuff it, who cares BUILD IT NOW!!!!!
. I'd love to see Dream worldís response to that... we could have another "war of the worlds" like in the 80's between SW and DW. Imagine, the competition on the Gold Coast heated up again so that instead of a new attraction a year, it could be that a park would be adding many at once...

And while we're only dreaming, here's wha bit of crystal gasing for ya. My 10 year plan, everything after the 5th year is a bit of a guess, but here's how it could work.

2001/2002 Big Dipper (re painted and renamed), Big Brother 2

2003. Wooden Coaster near the Big Dipper, themed to outback Australia. & Big Brother 3

2004. Thunderbolt being replaced by an 11 inversion B&M Coaster, two of the inversions are two large loops where the loops for the thunderbolt are, so there is some tradition. & Big Brother 4


2005 The track for TOT being themed, so it doesn't look so out of place in River Town. & Big Brother 5

2006 Shrine to Sara-Marree where the main street fountain is & Big Brother 6

2007 Upgrade of the blue lagoon, and of Gold Rush Country. Another mad mouse coaster near the Big Dipper so it didn't feel so lonley in the back of the park... and an extra 300 feet added to the top of the Giant Drop to make it the tallest freefall in the world again. & Big Brother 7

2008. Replacing the Sara-Marree Shrine with one dedicated to the memory of the people killed in the Giant Drop accident, where the tower unexpectedly fell apart in a gust of wind. Another new roller coaster. Again, placed near the Big Dipper. & Big Brother 1 re-visited

2009. Buying Vekoma-Arrow's new prototype ride "Didgeridoo", which is now in nearly every park in the world. The ride mealy shoots riders out of the station really fast into the side of Eureka Mountain.

2010. An adoption of the Extreme World promotion: Changing the name to 'Wet Dream World' for a special Randy Andy promotion. The Wipe-out gets re-themed as the "Bed Spring", Captain Sturt Paddle Wheeler gets sponsor ship from Man Power, the tigers are trained to let people to lie down in front of an open fire on top of them, and the Tower of Terror and Giant Drop become the... lets not go there. :P


Sorry, I've got a bit side-tracked there.... Oh well, I said it was a guess didn't I? hehe

Serious point though, how would Dreamworld react? Probably not like that, but it'd be interesting to see another attraction race start up again. Sorry for getting off the point again,

BTW: Where can I get an application form for PFWBMWBAMFDSHWASS&SDST ? I love their work, and its for a good cause :D

kewlmatto
08-25-2001, 06:15 PM
LOL, joz!

I think Dreamworld is crazy enough to build that stuff, so why not?! I like the idea of another coaster with double loops painted the same as the Thunderbolt - then they could keep those darn loops they put on pamphlets and everything.

I think a great thing for Dreamworld would be a B&M 6-inversion Floorless or an Arrow 4D (assuming that Arrow's talk of selling it to smaller parks is true) built along the banks of the opposite side of the lake next to the log ride (the one with heapsa lilly pads past where the park ends kinda). They could theme it to the Nile, have a bridge over and have a section called Egyptian Expedition or something - have the new coaster, and a few flat rides - and maybe even great theming (although this might be out of DW's league). A shoot-the-chutes would work well here too.

I also think a clone of Georgia Scorcher would look great at Dreamworld.

As for my plan, it was going to be a what if...

What if...Movieworld and Seaworld had enough of being second banana...obviously they haven't though...

Superman at Movieworld would also be great as a TA2K...but that's too much to spend after Sleepy Hollow and Matrix :D.

Matt

Taipan2
08-26-2001, 02:35 AM
LOL, good one Joz! One more season of Big Brother is enough! :) Supposedly the housemates weren't to know where they were. If I was in the house & could see T.o.T, I would get kicked out for sneaking out to ride it!

You guys speak of MW & SW competing, aren't they owned by the same company or person? As you can buy a 4 day multipark pass to those two plus WnW & visit anyone one more time.

I see it as MW vs DW, MW is a theme park whereas DW is a amusement park. I prefer DW as it has more rides but MW is pretty good as well. They need more thrill rides but are a family park.

Mates, this sux, WLS has no competition, LPS & Segaworld are closed. It was so stupid, I read in yesterday's paper that WLS, 'Sydney's largest amusement park' has a small staff strike. Largest? It's the only one for cryin' out loud!

Is there any future for WLS? The bulk of the market seems to be on the GC with 4 parks there. Could another major park be built in Sydney?

Yeah, that the Melbourne Paramount park bombed out is disappointing. They were to get three coasters which could've been a Top Gun coaster of some kind & a clone of Volcano: The Blast Coaster would've been awesome.

Then there was the rumor on Thrillride on a Disney park to be built in Australia for 2010. It would have 3 Vekoma coasters, one never seen before (this was after the FDs came out.) This could be a load of bull.

kewlmatto
08-26-2001, 04:53 AM
Hey Taipan,

This has always been about MW vs DW in my point of view, and joz is talking about the same thing. We are including SW into the mix because they are owned by Village, and thus SW and MW must together compete against DW, getting rides at the same time so it is fair. This has advantages and disadvantages - the biggest con being that SW is holding MW back from mega progress because they don't have enough land to keep up.

I've always been partial to MW - it is the best, no doubt. Their theming makes a ride an adventure, rather than a simple experience. And the amount of potential they have to bulldoze DW down is amazing - and I would very much like to see them use this potential. This is why I've created the PFWBMWBAMFDSHWASS&SDST. :D hehehe...

I went to Dreamworld yesterday, and I think its great there...but I still want to see MW bring them to their knees! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I read all about the proposed Paramount Studio Park - and it sounded fantastic! They were gonna have, as you said, a quasi-Volcano clone, a Top Gun coaster, and Paramount S&S Towers. It is a real shame that it fell through...

Hopefully WLS will get some competition, so that they actually build something decent!

I don't think Disneyland Australia will happen for a LONG time (if ever)... Disney only builds where there is a huge population around - which is why Disneyland Beijing is being built.

It would be more likely for Universal Studios Australia to happen - which I think would rock. Our own Jurassic Park ride!

My wish (which won't probably happen) is for IOA Australia - an exact replica of the Florida one. Oooooooooooh.....

I'd love to see the competition between Village parks and DW really heat up in the next few years - think of all the great rides we'll get if it happens!

Matt :D

joz
08-26-2001, 05:06 AM
More news on SW: will open a new shark enclosure next year and at the same time will open a new seal enclosure. Thrillseeker will be moved by Xmas 2002.

As for Disney, well, I herd that the Gold Coast lost the chance to have a Disney park after the government refused to fund the project. Could it be that Disney are still interested? Disney are on a splurge with lots of new parks at the moment, so you never know.

The good news is that WLS has realised that you can't just go for 10 years without adding a new attraction. So long as the rumor is true and WLS is getting a new BIG attraction, then I think that they will survive. The market in Sydney is definitly there, the only problem is that WLS is barely in Sydney, and for now, its barely worth the $10 to get out there by public transport. I firmly belive that a new Theme Park will open in Sydney sometime within the next 20 years. Wether its a major park or not remains to be seen, but something will come up.

While on the subject of new parks, what ever happened to the idea of Village Warner and SWPT building a new park between the Gold Coast and Brisbane? Does anyone know if the idea is still alive? It was suggested years ago, and I haven't herd anything about it for a while.

One more point I want to bring up: Why doesn't Australia have a Six Flags park? I'm not the biggest fan of Six Flags, but why don't we have one? We're also lacking a Busch park, Paramount park, Universal Park, Ceder Fair Park, Disney Park, and most shocking of all... we're missing a BONBON LAND! There's so many theme park chains out there, one of them is bound to realise that they've forgotten an entire continent, and build something in a popular area, namly Sydney, Melbourne or the Gold Coast.

Any Comments on any of that?

kewlmatto
08-26-2001, 05:46 AM
Hey Joz,

I read about the rumoured fourth Village park - but haven't heard anything for a year or so, so maybe they stopped progress and decided to concentrate on their current parks.

It was going to be based on Australia - its wildlife mostly, and was going to be behind MW (the newspaper said this). It would have been like SeaWorld only land-based and full with marsupials and such instead of marine life. It would have had rides as well, of course. It sounded as though it would be a very bush-type park, with lotsa scenery, which led me to think they might get a woodie or something. But doesn't seem like it will happen just yet.

I think Six Flags are dying to get over here, it's just that our parks don't want to sell. Six Flags aren't the type to build a park from scratch. I think they're itching to buy MW - as they did with the German one. All I can say is THANK GOD! They won't theme a thing if they buy MW. I want MW to stay as it is! If they want to come here, they should build a new park.

I would LOVE to see a Universal park, Paramount Park and a Busch park! (But mostly a second IOA!:D). If Busch came here, they should theme the park to a new continent - like Asia or America - this keeps in line with their current parks (BGT is themed to Africa, BGW is themed to Europe). How much would that rock?! (Still not as much as a second IOA though :D)

I would also love to see an Australian company start a new park! To help keep some of our money inside our own country.

And I still think Fox Studios should be turned into a theme park complete with Speed:The Ride, a Futurama ride, a Springfield section, a Buffy ride, and a Planet of the Apes ride.... hehehe. THEN WLS would be worried!

If Disney built here, it would most likely just the Magic Kingdom only. But hey - that'd be kewl with me! :D

And Cedar Fair can stay in the US as far as I'm concerned. A company which only wants to break records and forget about theming?! Well, we already have one of those....Dreamworld! :D

That's my 5 cents anyhoo....

Matt :D

joz
08-27-2001, 08:41 AM
I think that in 2002/2003, all Gold Coast parks should not build anything new, and let WLS build their big new ride and not have to worry about us up here. The NSW tourist commission could kick in and have a promotion asking Sydney residents to holiday at home, and maybe WLS might get some of the funds it needs to have a major rehab. While MW DW and SW are in this annoying stand off, WLS could surprise us. I don't know about everyone else, but I'd love to have an excuse to spend a few hundred dollars and go to Sydney again to ride an intimen or B&M coaster. Maybe our parks would realise that they are in need of something major. Not a coaster that you'd see in just about any park (which is pretty much any coaster by Arrow and Vekoma except 4th Dimension and flying Dutchmenís), something that might even make the parks compete internationally. TOT was a very good attempt, but just too short. WLS might make a better fist of it if they give it a go. Whatís going on with that thing anyway? Is it still on or have WLS changed their minds?

Richard Wilson
08-28-2001, 07:28 AM
No, we dont have any American chain parks, but we have equivelants. Dreamworld is our Cedar Fair park. WBMW is our Six Flags. Seaworld is our Busch (sorta, anyway) and WLS is our Paramount (it was owned by paramount until a few years ago)

J-Brew2001
08-29-2001, 12:03 AM
I have chatted with some people and Australia has moderate parks right now but the demand for major theme parks will hopefully bring innovation.

Richard Wilson
08-30-2001, 04:58 AM
There is good competition at the Gold Coast, its Seaworld and Movieworld vs. Dreamworld. I remember before WBMW was built Dreamworld stayed the same for 10 years. Now Dreamworld have have made some good changes, and put themselves into number 1, with MW trying to catch up.

There is no competition at Wonderland becuase there are no other parks of decent size in NSW (I think i have passes 2 small parks on highways in NSW) and they loose much competition to the northern parks.

joz
09-03-2001, 01:30 AM
Simple question: what park on the Gold Coast needs a new attraction? We already know that WLS needs one the most in Aust., but what about just on the Gold Coast?

BTW, I'd like to share some stats with you about the 3 park super pass. People not familer with the 3 park super pass should know that it gives entry to SW, MW, and WnW, and allows people to go back to the park they most enjoyed.


70%(approx) of people went back to SW
27%(approx) of people went back to MW
3% of people went back to WnW

So who needs it most? DW SW MW or WnW? My vote goes to a new ride for MW, because their kinda lacking in the rides department. Thats not to say they haven't got good rides, they just haven't got many higly exciting rides, Lethal Weapon, Wild Wild West and Batman.

Whats everyone else think?

Richard Wilson
09-03-2001, 02:38 AM
I agree totally, Village are definately trying to make their newest goldcoast theme park their best. I would say that most people go to Seaworld over Movieworld as their free choice because it has a lot more for the family, and not just rides. I know I made the stupid mistake last time I had a three park saver to choose SW, although, I did put my Corkscrew count up by about 50 rides, I would have probably had more fun at MW as a coaster enthusiast.

avalancheboy
09-03-2001, 08:45 AM
i thought i might add a pic of the space probe

avalancheboy
09-03-2001, 08:56 AM
and heres 1 of the entrance to the bush beast
notice the logo very simillar to the logo for the beast at kings island in ohio....i spose that kinda shows that the park was once owned by paramount as other posts state

kewlmatto
09-05-2001, 01:48 AM
Hey guys,

Just thought you might like to know - I can confirm that Big Dipper is being placed in front and to the left slightly of Thunderbolt (also in front of Wipeout). The land has been cleared and the footers are in and now there is a crane at the site. It looks like a narrow piece of land - this much be a really compact ride!

Matt :D

Richard Wilson
09-05-2001, 02:23 AM
yes, it is a compact ride, it was custom designed for Luna Park to be compact.

joz
09-05-2001, 03:52 AM
Does anyone know anywhere which has a picture of the ride when it was at LP, or just anywhere that has the layout? I'm curious to see how this thing is ganna fit in there.

kewlmatto
09-05-2001, 08:04 AM
Pictures of the Big Dipper are really scarce on the net...I've only ever been able to find about two and they were both small and crappy.

I have seen a news report which has footage of the coaster in action, didn't show much but it appears to have a cobra roll (which is great, cause I can finally experience that element!). I know it has at least one loop as well.

Matt :D

shallowdays
09-06-2001, 01:15 AM
it actually doesn't have a cobra roll, only half a one and a verticle loop but it's still lots of fun
i have about seven pictures of the coaster but none of them show it in action but they show the layout pretty well...

joz
09-06-2001, 02:15 AM
Are you able to post them here or e-mail them to me? I wanna see what this thing looks like

Richard Wilson
09-06-2001, 05:55 AM
I saw a few days ago some really good, decent resolution images of the ride on some coaster site somewhere. Sorry but I can't remember where, its a shame, I really wanted to see them again to sorta get a mental picture of what it will look like at DW :(

drmoof
09-06-2001, 09:01 AM
I love the Big Dipper, I am soo happy for it to be going to Dreamworld! It used to be my favourite ride in Australia before TOT and Lethal Weapon came along. Although it will be great at Dreamworld, it won't be the same compared to it's last location at Luna Park. It's very rare to find a coaster so close to a city or a harbour. Thats what I liked a lot about the BD, flying through loops and drops all along with a great view of the Opera House and the harbour Bridge, especially at night with the city all lit up! It was awsome. It was quite smooth as well which is rare for arrow coasters (as they say). Anyway, I can't wait for this thing to open, I will be up there in January, hopefully it will be open by then!

Richard Wilson
09-06-2001, 05:21 PM
Dreamworld expect it to be open by Mid December, and I will surely be their for the opening day, although summer crowds make queues for most rides about an hour.

It looks like a great ride, and will surely be welcomed at dreamworld.

kewlmatto
09-07-2001, 03:39 AM
I wonder if one day Macquarie will turn Adventure World in Perth into a proper theme park like Dreamworld... That'd be cool, but once again there is no competition over in Perth...

Richard Wilson
09-07-2001, 05:37 AM
Adventure Land has great potential, if only there were more of a market over there. I would hate to live somewhere like Western Australia; there is no decent rides for thousands of kilometres.

drmoof
09-10-2001, 07:02 AM
I saw Luna Park in Sydney today, man it looks weird without the Big Dipper, they could have replaced it with an indoor coaster or something rather than some crap circus tent!!!! Like... what the hell is that!??!?, how boring will the park be?!?!?!

Richard Wilson
09-11-2001, 03:11 AM
They arent redeveloping Luna Park Sydney into a themepark as far as I know, It will be some sort of conference centre or something, or cultural centre

joz
09-11-2001, 04:37 AM
Adventure world Perth only has limited potental because they only have about 30/40 acers to play with. I'm sure I'm not saying anything new to people when I tell you that they are getting a new ride for this season. If screamscape is right with who the manufacturer is, then it should be a pretty good ride.


LP Sydney (as pointed out by Aus) isn't being turned into a theme park but into a fun park, (There is a HUGE difference in the two) If you want more info, check out
http://www.lunaparksydney.com/

PS. Sorry about all the spelling errors I most likely made, I can't be bothered to spell check today :cool:

Richard Wilson
09-21-2001, 11:15 PM
Ok, heres what I heard from my friend who lives in sydney. he said that in the newspaper, he read that Wonderland will be getting a new ride for some time in the near future, and that it was a coaster, and record breaking. I really don't know how trustworthy he his considering his track record :rolleyes:

I would hope that this means a hypercoaster for down under.

Big Dipper
09-22-2001, 08:30 AM
Well i hope wonderland Sydney builds a hyper coaster, or some good coaster. Wonderland is my home park and like everyone i reckon it needs a new coaster. Hey what company if any would they get to build a coaster and if it was hyper does anyone think it would be the worlds tallest or a coaster in the 200 to 300 foot mark? I also wonder when the near future is?? It could be 5 years time!!! I really really want to see an new coaster a wonderland imagine the crowds it would bring!!! they only hyper coaster in Australia, wonderland sydney would be very very popular!!!!! I reckon they should get another TV channel to support it, they could call it Cloud 9 if they got Channel 9 to support it LOL!! Oh well i hope they get a new coaster!!!
Also what company is building the new ride at Adventure world. And has anyone visted AAF lately? There havent been any updayes since the 2/08/01 they really need to update their page.
Cya

Richard Wilson
09-23-2001, 08:14 AM
I guarentee you it wont be a world record breaker, just a southern hemisphere record breaker. The record for tallest is 318 ft and plans for a new giga-coaster were recently released, being 377ft, the height of our Tower of Terror!

It will be contracted by Intamin, they are the world leaders in hypercoasters, (IMO) and the park already has done deals with this company further strengthening their relationship, plus the only other companies they could get to do it would be B&M, which are far too expensive for what they are (talking +$20mil au for a looper, hyper could be excess of 40mil), Giovanola are probably the same, plus they seem to have retired from this business. Arrow Dynamics could do it, although they are more into new generation coasters. Morgan are possible, however, they too might be a bit too expensive plus their designs are pretty basic and wouldnt work with Wonderland. It could be a lesser company,. like Togo, although I dont see why any one would buy one of them LOL.

Intamin, while being slightly pricy, give smooth, strucurally beautiful and good custom designs.

Big Dipper
09-23-2001, 08:47 AM
I though it would be an intamin, if they get a coaster. I wonder if they will announce soon about getting a new coaster, if they r getting one. I sent an email to them about 2 months ago and they said they had no plans for a new ride!!!! I hope that isnt true, but i guess they would want to keep it a secret. Also i reckon they should as well as putting in a new coaster make space probe higher, add some more pieces and ,make it higher.

joz
09-23-2001, 08:50 AM
In yet another well informed researched post from me:

To be the tallest coaster in the Southern Hemisphere, it would have to be a mere 147 feet tall, and that would overtake the Montezum in South America. It doesn't sound that hard does it? Thats about 44 meters it has to be, so rather then 200 foot tall, how does, say, 50m sound?

Remember, Australia uses the meteric system, so the idea of a hyper may be a bit lost on the GP here, and the sad fact is, its not really aimed at people who have a clue about coasters.

Cheers.

Big Dipper
09-23-2001, 09:00 AM
50 metres isnt that high, i reckon it should at least be 65 metres, same hight as space probe, otherwise it wouldnt be that popular unless they put an inversion in it, but then it wouldnt really be a hyper coaster.

joz
09-27-2001, 03:53 AM
Has Wonderland done a deal with intamin? I read it on the last page, and it went straight over my head first time I read it. Do you mean they've signed a deal for a new ride or that intamin has built them rides in the past?

Richard Wilson
09-27-2001, 06:26 PM
Nothing official yet, but thats what my friend in Sydney says. He is a coaster enthusiast, and I believe he has a friend who works at Wonderland.

200 ft is almost exactly 60 metres (close enough, 60.975609756097560975609756097561 according to my calculations) And 60 metres is a nice enough number.

BD is 150 ft tall, and that would mean that its roughly 45 metres tall, and they would have to beat that.

I agree with Big Dipper, they should make it at least taller than Space Probe if it is to make an impression on people driving past it on the highway.

I can see in my mind great big white intamin box track cresting over the park, and going way out into Wonderlands untouched bush.

joz
09-28-2001, 01:54 AM
I was just thinking, if its true that they were thinking of building an intamin multilooper, so I suppose there coud be a deal there. 61 meters...... sounds kinda sweet doesn't it? The more I think about it, the more it makes sense - and might just happen.

Big Dipper
09-28-2001, 08:30 AM
Wonderland needs a hyper coaster. I reckon 70 metres would be the right height. Personally i dont really like the track design of intamin, i think the box track is ugly, but i dont care what it looks like as long as it is a coaster. Multilooper would be great too, but i think a hyper would attract the crowds!!
Hey i read a rumor on AAF that the Thunder Bolt will be demolished in 2002 for some new ride or something!! that would be cool, but i have never been on thunder bolt so i cant say (I will be on thunder bolt on wednesday though)
I reckon a letter or something is needed to be written to wonderland to tell it to get something new. Though they dont say a thing, someone needs to know someone who works a wonderland and find out if they r building a new coaster. I really want to see a new coaster at wonderland!!!!!

joz
09-28-2001, 08:47 AM
I'm betting 65 meters...

Wow, a new ride at Dreamworld by the end of the year, the Thunderbolt to be demolished, a new ride at Wonderland for my visit next year, a new sea-lion enclosure with doors that arn't purly made out of rust and rotting wood at Seaworld and Scooby Doo at Movie World? I'm in heaven! In a 1 year period, all 4 of the major parks in the country are (apparently) getting new attractions! How bloody good is that??

Whats the bet they replace a ride ment to feel like a woodie with an actrual real woodie? Maybe it'd even replace 'Bush Beast' as the best woodie I've been on.Still, I'm ganna miss the old pile of rust we call the thunderbolt. I'll have to give it a few 'goodbye rides' when I go to ride the dipper.

Dude, now I know that they might be getting rid of it (and not retracking it) you have to go on it. Just to send the old (very old) girl out. I always thought it was the best looking coaster, just not the best one to ride. The last time I rode it was at night on ANZAC day, and I actually enjoyed it. Give it a ride for me if I can't make it out there by 2002 Big Dipper!

Cheers

Big Dipper
09-28-2001, 09:03 AM
Well 65 metres would be great!!! I hope the rumor is true about thunder bolt being demolished, though i do agree it is one of the best looking roller coasters. A wooden coaster would be great at dreamworld but from what i have seen in maps and photos i think a wooden roller coaster would go better in the bush than were the thunder bolt is.
I will hopefully go on the thunder bolt 2 or 3 times on wednesday, if i have time. I want to go in the front, middle and back. One thing i dont understand how they could get a steel roller coaster to feel like a wooden one, how did they get it so rough?

kewlmatto
09-28-2001, 09:08 PM
Oooh groovy! I sooo hope they get rid of Thunderbolt. I am gonna dance in its ruins :D.

Howdy all, been a bit since I posted. Hows everything?

Richard Wilson
09-29-2001, 01:45 AM
Here is how you make a steel coaster feel rough like a woodie (although now they are making woodies feel like steel, how ironic!) firstly, the trains were originally designed with little in the way of suspension and shock absorbtion. They replaced them in about 1995 with new ones which had lots of new fangle contraptions, but that didnt help. The problems lie in the track, go to my dreamworld pictures at my site http://auscoasters.tripod.com (http://auscoasters.tripod.com/stu_jackson_dw.htm) and look at the Thunderbolt, you will find that firstly, the backbone to the track is considerably small, giving little support as trains go by, and also, supports are rather scarce for a coaster with such thin backbone (thats why we see less supports on Intamin and B&M etc etc coasters, they have much more support within the track itself, but when there are suports, they are much larger) so they track wobbles alot. Basically, this ride would need to be rebuilt if it were to be replaced, there is little hope, even with new track.


What I would love to see is a new coaster go in its place, so long as they build identical loops, just as memorabilia of one of the Gold Coast, Dreamworld and even Australias greatest icons ever.

I think they could build maybe a multilooper in its place, with obviously a different layout, and much longer. Or, alternatively, they could make a double looper, with lapbars, which has a large layout, and utilizes much of the unused land. Call it something snazzy like Return of the Thunderbolt, and make it smooth but not quite, let it roar!

Dreamworld should be able to come up with something, They should replace everything but the loops, keep them there, keep them the same height shape, colour maybe, although they could go with a great new scheme for that ride, something that doesnt show rust like white.

Dreamworld makes $16mil profit before tax, they could afford something substantial every few years, I can genuinely see our old Thunderbolt being rebuilt in some form.

A woodie way out the back would be great, CCI or GCI, preferably the first. Make it kick the pants of our aging Bush Beast, which is the only reason anyone would go to Wonderland at the moment.

kewlmatto
09-29-2001, 06:19 AM
I say get rid of the whole thing. Cutting and pasting different tracks like what happened with Steel Phantom is very costly and messy. Dreamworld should get rid of the whole thing, and replace it with a totally new coaster. After all, if they do something different yet similar with the display, then that can become a new signature. There is no point in them holding onto something that is absolutely shocking just because the red and yellow "look nice".

I suggest they get a Vekoma LSM coaster like Superman:The Ride at Six Flags Holland. It'd fit in that space, it's longer and utilises land better, and they could use colours reminiscent of the Thunderbolt. Also, it would definately look great on the skyline. I think they should call it Firebird or something :p.

Richard Wilson
09-29-2001, 07:20 AM
nah, they already have the best damn launched ride you will find anywhere. When I say they should keep the signature loops, what I really meant (although Im sure if they were that desperate they could keep the old loops and glue a new ride on to the rest of it) was they should just use loops that look the same.

Maybe they could sell the loops in ebay, then I could buy them and stick them in my front yard, and tourists would come thinking its dreamworld, and I could sell them really expensive no frills cola drinks. LOL anyway!

They need inversions, I mean with four inversions now, they need something, and not old fashioned loops, they need barrel rolls cobra rolls, corkscrews, sea serpants. Can you say ~bolliger and mabillard~

Lol, i remember when this post was brand new, and we used to talk only about wonderland, until we decided we needed something new up here.

Big Dipper
09-29-2001, 07:58 AM
Well bringing it back to Wonderland, i have some really pretty good photos of the demon, pirate ship and space probe, Auscoasterman u might want them for your website.

drmoof
09-29-2001, 09:12 PM
I met a guy the other day who just quit workin at wonderland and he said he never heard anything about a new coaster or even any new attraction coming soon. I so hope the hypercoaster rumour is true! It bloody better be!

Richard Wilson
09-29-2001, 10:59 PM
Big Dipper, they would be great, if they are digital, email them to me or if they arent on computer, Im sure something could be aranged.

Big Dipper
09-30-2001, 04:37 AM
Well i have a scanner so i can scan them in. I will send them in about 8 days time or around then cause tomorrow im catching a plane for the gold coast, i will be sure to get some good photos of the rides at dream world and sea world too.

Richard Wilson
09-30-2001, 04:53 AM
Excellent, and much thanks to you!

Im sure joz would appreciate any pictures of Seaworld too, best of luck for the trip up here!

Big Dipper
09-30-2001, 05:07 AM
The only thing im worrying about is how im going to sleep tonight lol. Oh and i saw on TV on saturday night the giant drop and someone riding it, it looks really scary but im definatly going on it!
Cya

Richard Wilson
09-30-2001, 07:02 AM
lol, dont bother about sleep, you wont be able to! I remember my first visit to the parks in a long time, you will have so much energy and adrenaline from the good rides when your at the parks, you dont need sleep, just sit here for the rest of the night like I usually do on sundays and go into the chat or something

joz
10-03-2001, 05:54 AM
Last park I went to as a guest was Wonderland, and that was at the end of last year. Wow, doesn't time fly? I haven't even been out to Wet 'n' Wild this year, and haven't been to Movie World since Looney Tunes Village.

I must be the only person in these boards who lives in Queensland not to have done it. Last time I went to Dreamworld it was more like a pub crawl then a trip to a theme park. Thats why on theme park insider I list the restarants that sell alcohol :D lol

BTW A quick plug, I haven't been on these boards for a while cause I'm splitting my time between making the Seaworld site (http://geocites.com/doza35au/Seaworld_main_page.html) having holidays. ie, turning the computer off, seeing friends and enjoying the sunshine. :cool:

Cheers

Richard Wilson
10-04-2001, 11:17 PM
Does that mean you havent done Wild Wild West? I swear, if you haven't been on WWW, you have missed one of the best water rides in the World, and believe me when I say it is world class!

It sounds odd going, spending $35 or whatever on Dreamworld entry just to get drunk (edited to prevent censoring) and I bet it wasn't exactly cheap booze either.

I guess you are a real Seaworld fan (i must be quick :p) although I really don't know what you see in that park, it is in need of desperate attention, and Village are turning it into more of a marine park than amusement park. Although that means that Movieworld will be the Thrill Ride compeditor with Dreamworld, and means some more high class thrill rides heading in MW's way.


Dont ask me how this relates at all to any of the posts above. I just felt obliged to make this post 1 page longer lol :D

joz
10-05-2001, 02:29 AM
Yeah, I deleted a sentance by accident, it said I haven't been on the WWW :(

I wasn't a theme park person first. First thing I was into was Gold Coast history. I read up on a few things, and the Ski Gardens was one of them. It inspired me to read this book called 'the real surfers paradise', and it had a whole chapter devoted to the spit, so I just got interested in the history side first, then I read up on some future projects, a few years ago, and just got more and more interested since then.

Oh yeah, while I'm taling about myself, I should point out as well, last time I went to Dreamworld was on one of those $5 return passes, plus my cousin was shouting for me, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered. There is no way I'd br spending $5 on a stubbie!! Still, I ended up chatting a very nice bird when I was in line for T.o.T and wipeout. I ended up getting her number and seeing her a few times, so I guess it was all good. :)

Your right when you say that SW is a marine park, thats the direction that thier going. I think they want to make it more comparably with SW in the US. Exactly why anyone would want to do that is a mystery.

Still, I think theres a certain bit of irony in that; Seaworld in the US is getting all these really cool rides to supplement its animal displays, and Seaworld in Australia is getting really cool animal displays to supplement its rides.

Maquarie looks like there comfortable running Dreamworld now. Operating a theme park is not something that you learn overnight, but it looks like their settleing into it. They've already done some good things, like building that long overdue walkway from Rocky Hollow to the Australian Wildlife Experience. Who cares that they only built it for Big Brother, they still built it, so thats good enough isn't it? Plus their spending $2or 3 million on fixing the place up. My only real complaint with the place now is the placement of the T.o.T, but I suppose I can live with it. :D

MW should change the logo from 'hollywood on the Gold Coast' to 'So close but so far'. Cause thats what its like. They've got good stuff, I've barley herd a bad word against any of its rides. Alot of people will give you this feedback, but the preshows on the rides are too much. Espically Lethal weapon, that has to be the most pointless preshow I've ever seen.

Still, my favorite preshow was the one at Dreamworld on the Giant Drop. Thats so funny. I don't think they bother showing it any more, but the story of the Giant Drop is its an Oil Rig thats about to explode. Its a shame that you only find out by walking through one room, and a big sign that says "Giant Oil Company".
The preshow is just this guy who comes on the screen and goes "This is an emergency, the oil rig is about to explode, please evactuate through the doors now!" then the doors open and thats pretty much it.

Anyway, that concludes a very long winded reply to nothing in particular by me :D

Cheers

Richard Wilson
10-05-2001, 02:40 AM
Ok, these posts are getting more pointless by the minute.. what to do...

Oh my god!!! I just read at screamscape that they are gonna remake the young einstein section into harry potter nonsense!!! Im not saying that Harry Potter is bad, just that Young Einstein is the best movie I have ever seen, and my favourite. That is totally ridiculous!!! How dare they, even though that area was kinda too hollywoodised, and sorta getting old, it is among the best themed area in Movieworld. I think they are going to get a letter from me about this stupid choice they have made. At least let them move the section or something.

Harry Potter for christs sake! This will turn out as cruddy as that Pokemon exibit they had a while back for the movie.

Also, while im on young einstein. Did you know that that movie was filmed with money made from Yahoo Serious selling his car, and borrowed video cameras. Also, Yahoo Serious is officially Dr Yahoo Serious. He was awarded a phd by some NSW university for outstanding contributions to the Australian film industry, in Young Einstein.

Big Dipper
10-07-2001, 03:33 AM
Im back!!! I had the best time ever, it was the best holiday ever. The gold coast was ok, a bit over rated for an ok beach.
Sea World was great so was Sea World Nara Resort. I went on the Corkscrew 4 times, I managed to get my mum on it and she went on it 3 times, she loved it. by the end of the holiday she was going on everything!!!
The day i went it was overcast so it was only 26 degrees, it didnt rain which was good. I went on the Bermuda Triangle first, So much fun, i ended on going on it 2 times, after that i went on the Corkscrew, Pirate Ship Log flume and Thrill Seeker. The Thrill seeker was ok but i bit boring, those 2 helix's were too long! I saw all the shows too.
Dreamworld was Great, not to busy, the first ride i went on was the mine car, it was soo much fun, we all loved that ride. After the mine car we went on the TOT, it was broken down till 10:30 and the ride after we got off it broke down and it was closed for 2 hrs, i was luckey to get on it. After the TOT i went on the rapids, they were fun but the ones at wonderland got you wetter. After the rapids i went on the Giant drop, the day i went both sides droped straight down instead of droping and stoping and droping. The Giant drop was so scary, i felt like we were never going to stop falling. After the Giant drop we went on the log flume, it was great. Then after lunch we saw an Imax and i went on the Wipeout!!!! I really liked the wipeout, I then went on the Thunderbolt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It started to rain so the only half loaded trains were allowed. I went on the thunder bolt with my mum and we hated it!!!!!!!!!!!! It is the worst ride i have ever been on!! My neck hurt a bit and my teeth chattered and it gave me a headache!! My mum hated it and i hated it and i want it demolished!!! When we got off it we heard the workers say that was the fastest ride of the day!!!! The thunder bolt was my last ride and i left, i had a great time at both parks, the next time i go will probley be for Schoolies Weeks in a few yrs time! oh well cya

Richard Wilson
10-07-2001, 03:53 AM
Welcome back and I am glad you have had a great time up here.

How is the Big Dipper going over at Dreamworld? We dont seem to have had any updates on that in a long time :(

Pity about the thunderbolt being so rough, that is usually Dreamworlds big let down.

I did find out that Meisho (the company who built it) have in fact got successful ways of making their older loopers smooth. I hope Dreamworld puts this system into action over here!

I am just curious, was Dreamworld particularly packed? What did you queue for rides like Giant Drop and the Thunder River Rapids Ride?

Big Dipper
10-07-2001, 04:05 AM
Not much has happened with the big Dipper, The helix has been built. I hope they smooth the thunder bolt out, it would be a great ride if it was smooth, but it might be cheaper to get rid of it. Dreamworld wasnt to busy, we lined up for 40 mins to get on the rapids and about 30 mins to get on the giant drop, but those rides are low capacity rides.

Richard Wilson
10-08-2001, 05:17 AM
Queues sound really good considering its one of the major holidays, and everything.

I forgot to ask about seaworld. This park usually is the least packed of them all, even Wonderland tends to get more visitors than this park during holidays. How is good old corkscrew? I havent been on her in a while, and I know when I last did, it wasnt at all rough (or i was just desensitized from it after my marathon on it) but I think that the park has sorta turned a little tacky, and im sure that dwindling crowds dont exactly help a coasters condition much.

How did you find that Log Flume? I still am amazed how fun that ride is, and I still get sorta scared when you go up that tiny hill atop the castle before dropping. That ride soaks you really bad too.

Well, thats it, 801th post. :D

Big Dipper
10-08-2001, 07:11 AM
The line up was good for a holiday time at dreamworld. One thing that made the line up quick was the amount of vehicles on the rides. There were alot of boats running on the rapids and a lot of logs on the log flume,Unlike wonderland Sydney which lines r always long because there arent very good capacity for its rides.
Sea World was good. I like seaworld, it is a very family park and the rides r fun and not scary. It was busy at Sea World, the park had a lot of visitors the day i went. I went on the Bermuda triangle first and it took 10 mins to get on, later on when i went on it again it took 40mins to get on. The Corkscrew still is very smooth and comfortable, it is still in good condition and looks new! The thrill seeker on the other hand is rusty and looks like it will fall down, it desperatly needs a new coat of paint. The log flume was fun, i like how the water it fast and rough not gentle and smooth, it makes the ride kinda both a flume and rapids!
The park needs something new, they have the room near the corkscrew, i think they should build a ride like the wipe out or extend the corkscrew to be longer. The food there is good, i had one of the best muffins ever! from the bakery, it was hot and tasted great.
The log flume at sea world didnt scare me as much as the one at dreamworld, That one was really fast and with four people in one log it made one big splash lol:p

joz
10-08-2001, 11:17 AM
Welcome back big dipper, good to hear you had a good holiday :)

Hey guess what? Now you've done the Gold Coast parks, you can reply on themeparkinsider.com now! lol

Still, from what you said, it sounds like Dreamworld could be getting ready to pull a 'Six Flags' on us by not getting the ride finished on time.

Just to let ya know, the Thrillseeker may not need a new coat of paint. These Xmas holidays could be its last. Its 19 years old now (1 year older then the corkscrew and the same age as the Thunderbolt), and its not operating well. On Sunday there was alot of wind blowing, and the ride failed to make it around the entire track, stalling at the top of the second hill. There arn't any breaks at the top of those hills, it just ran out off puff going into the wind. I'm not sure what ended up happening with it, but I thought I'd pass it on. I'm starting to lean towards a new ride instead of moving it. If they do move it, expect a name change and (another) good paint job.

Richard Wilson
10-09-2001, 02:20 AM
That sounds great that they are considering moving/replacing it. Just about All that could fit in that area would possibly something Vekoma, or an Intamin or S&S tower, or even better, maybe an impulse.

I understand that Village are really improving their act when it comes to rides, and I'm sure if Village did decide to install a new ride, it would probably be a good choice for the park. Although, seeing as the park is turning very marine orientated, chances are we might get nothing more than another animal pool, and although that isn't that bad, I feel that a new ride would put further stress on Dreamworld, and only good things can come out of that.

Big Dipper
10-09-2001, 07:26 AM
Well i didnt hear about the thrillseeker not making it all around the track. I hope they get rid of it and build a new ride!!! It was a good ride with good speed but the long helix's were boring. I dont really know if sea world would build a new roller coaster, i think it would become another animal attraction!! Though it might need a new attraction to pick up the low crowds. One thing that surprised me was that the people that operated the thrill seeker had to push the carriages into the loading part of the station! I reckon if it would fit they should put a vekoma inverted boomerang rollercoaster, i forget what it is called but one of those! But i really dont see a new ride being built at seaworld! Oh well!!!!!!!!

Richard Wilson
10-12-2001, 06:03 PM
You know, despite Wonderland's sad lack of new rides, I feel they have something better going for them than rides. I have emailed Stacey from Dreamworld a number of times, just to find out some things about the park and Dipper etc etc. I usually get replies which are slightly modified automated responses. I have also emailed Movieworld a few times, even worse than Dreamworld.

I emailed Renee from Wonderland a few months ago, asking for some stuff for my old website. She replied in great enthusiasm, saying she would organize a package of all the things I'd need for the site. A few days ago, I emailed her again, so I could start to compile some stuff for ThrillNetwork. She was most apologetic at not sending the stuff I requested, and she got to it right away. I revieved yesterday, a huge envelope in the mail. Inside the envelope was a business card for Renee, their usual stuff for guests; park maps, brochures etc etc. Then there was something truely great, about 20 pages about Wonderland, the rides, history, that sort of stuff.

But perhaps the best thing in the parcel,was a CD which she kindly gave me. On this CD, I found around 20 super high quality .TIF images. These are the exact images which Wonderland use for promotions, full sized and everything. One of the images was 30mb! I also found their logo, full sized again.

I don't know any park anywhere that would do the same for a person who is not even planning a trip to the park in the near future. Wonderland certainly has something that no other park has. One of the best Customer Service's you will find anywhere.

Thanks Renee and Wonderland!

Big Dipper
10-13-2001, 06:34 AM
Well when i was doing my project on roller coaster this year i asked for info off all the park in the gold coast, i got all the maps and stuff but Movie World sent me all info on the history and who made the rides and how long it took to built the rides. I was impressed. I would like to know about the history of wonderland, cause i dont know any history about it!!

Richard Wilson
10-13-2001, 06:57 AM
Well, I am midway through an article for ThrillNetwork that is just going over all the rides mainly. There is however some history in it.

Here is a quick timeline:

1985, Paramount opens their Australian Park, Australia's Wonderland with their main attractions The Beastie and Bush Beast.

1990, The park purchases Expo 88's Titan Boomerang and renames it The Demon. Also, The Australian Wildlife Park opens.

1994, Space Probe 7 opens as Australia's tallest and only freefall ride.

1997, Sunway and Worldwide Holdings buys Australia's Wonderland off Paramount.

1998, Australia's Wonderland is renamed Wonderland Sydney, to go with the Sydney 2000 Olympics.

This is all the major things that have happened there, not much really. I will write a story some time regarding the parks specific details some time, rather than a big long review of all the rides.

joz
10-13-2001, 09:30 AM
You know what you just posted there is the best history I've ever read for Wonderland, and as far as I can tell, the most detailed explanation of Wonderland's history in existance. :) Keep up the good work lol

Richard Wilson
10-16-2001, 03:10 AM
Part 1 of my review of Wonderland is available at ThrillNetwork now.

Here is a link to it too:

http://www.thrillnetwork.com/article.php?sid=202

I should let you all know that part 2 is fully completed, I just didn't want to put one 3000 word article on in one big hit.

Richard

joz
10-16-2001, 09:05 AM
Nice review I likt it :)

I dunno if this is new news for anyone, but Fox Studios backlot closed tonight. Apparently the public didn't respond well to it even when they lowered the price.

Thats Luna Park, Sega World and now the Backlot. Sydney is has really been hit hard recently. Between the Sept 11 tragadies, post Olympic turn down, and worst of all, the North Shore residents, most of Sydney's major attractions have closed or been severly battered.

Wonderland magement must be really pooing their pants at the moment. Last time I went there, it was 5 days before Xmas, and all the rides were walk ons all day. Even Snowy River, and Space Probe. The Demon took ages to load, because there wasn't enough people to fill the seats.

I just hope things get back to normal in Sydney soon.

Oh yeah, I should just point out that only the backlot closed, the studios are still going. Apparently there going to expand and take use up the area where tha Backlot was.

Richard Wilson
10-16-2001, 05:07 PM
Yeah, I already covered that at TN, thanks to Big Dipper :)

Wonderland are worried, but I don't think that there is any real threat to them. Sure, they might have attendance levels down, but so long as they are getting a few hundred thousand through the door each year, they will be able to survive, even if it means no great new rides for a long while.

To be honest, I'd rather Wonderland survives well, than for them to build a brand new expensive coaster only to go out of business a few years later.

Richard

The Patman
10-17-2001, 08:12 PM
What did the North Shore residents do?

avalancheboy
10-20-2001, 02:09 AM
i dont know if any 1 is with me but i rekon it would be pretty cool if wonderland got 1 of those new super slc the 1's that are like 200 ft tall i think that would be pretty cool and would be cheaper than say an intamin or somthing........vecoma coasters are getting pretty good now i mean the deja vu's are pretty smooth and i can emagine if a park bought a boomerang clone it would be smoother than the others cause vecoma would have fixed some mechanical problems which would have made it rough.

any thoughts

bill

Richard Wilson
10-30-2001, 03:52 AM
Vekoma no longer make custom designed coasters, like the 260 footer being built now. Since they declared bankrupcy, they are only doing off the shelf until they are back up and running properly.

Vekoma have fixed their roughness problems, I mean the perfect local example is Lethal Weapon, and thats getting on what? 6 years old?

If you are interested, part II of my wonderland review is now available for viewing at ThrillNetwork. Follow this link to the review. http://www.thrillnetwork.com/article.php?sid=220&mode=thread&order=0

Again, thanks must go to Big Dipper for the Demon photo :) one of the best I personally have seen.

Also, in case you were still wondering, Patman, the North Shore residents are the ones who complained about the Big Dipper and Luna Park, leading DIRECTLY to its closure.

Richard

Richard Wilson
11-07-2001, 05:13 AM
Oh my, this is amazing, I got an email from Renee Ferenc, which some might know as the Publicity officer of Wonderland Sydney, from my ThrillNetwork reviews. Well, I just got an email from her, basically commenting on the review.

At the end of the email, she said, and this is an exact quote "Watch out for the next year as there might be a few
surprises."

Now this has just made my day!

Richard

avalancheboy
11-07-2001, 06:27 AM
ooooh how exciting.

i have to agree with Renee it was an excellent review
well done richard

dj_danny
11-08-2001, 06:16 AM
Did Renee happen to mention what sort of surprise *coughhypercough* may be coming next year? Maybe Six Flags will buy Wonderland and actually add a few rides!:rolleyes:

Richard Wilson
11-08-2001, 06:42 AM
She didn't mention what it was obviously, because the details are obviously not ready to be released to the public.

However, I am on their media database, and I will be informed at the same time as the rest of the press. And I will be sure to let you know as soon as I find out.

Richard

avalancheboy
11-08-2001, 06:48 AM
i wouldnt want sf to buy wonderland the park has more potential than that......i think paramount should buy it back if the current owners want to sell...but then again y not an australian company but the theme park so ALL the money stays here!!!!

hyperhyperhyperhyperhyperhyperhyperhyperhyperhyper hyper

joz
11-08-2001, 07:27 AM
I can feel another Village park... coming on. lol Sorry, thatís far too scary to think about. Still, if it has to be an Australian company, its either Macquarie or Seaworld Property trust buying WLS.... Pick your poison really isn't it?

Still, whatís this about A FEW surprises?

More then 1 surprise at Wonderland in the next year ay? I'm looking forward to hearing more about this... I reckon 1 surprise will be a coaster, and for the other surprise.... I dunno, probably Wonderland updating their website :)

Ok, we've gone through this a million times, and lets go through it again. Here's what we've heard its ganna be:

A. The first of its kind in this country. (Thatís pretty much anything designed in the last 10 years except a reverse freefall) :)
B. The Tallest/fastest in the southern hemisphere. :)
C. Probably custom designed. I'm guessing that because they had plans for a custom 9 looper. :confused:
D. Possibly Intamin design. :confused:
E. Someone right at the start of this post said the words 'Water Ride'. Reckon thatís the second surprise?

avalancheboy
11-08-2001, 07:52 AM
yeah good points there joz

i will be happy whith what eva they get providing that they dont only get a kiddie ride

possible combinations:

coaster
kiddie

coaster
water ride

kiddie
water ride

but i think what they really need is a new themed area which could possibly include many rides and attractions. an area in the park that i think would be appropiate would be right behing the demon and along down toward behing srr( snowy river rampage) with the entrance being between the lift hills for the demon and the action man thingy. they could utilize the action man thing into their new area. creating a possible stunt zone inda thing

any way thats my 2 bob in

bill

Big Dipper
11-09-2001, 05:03 AM
Well first i hope it is a new ride or rides and not another show!! Personally i see either wonderland putting in a coaster or thrill ride but only one thing and not a combination of thrill rides and a coaster. This is what i would like to see in order

(a) A new coaster, hyper would be nice but a stand up or multilooper would still be gr8

(b) A thrill ride like the wipeout or like that new ride that was built in western australia, a pirate ship thingy (cant remember its name) that u have your legs dangleing like on a SLC.

(c) A water ride, i think we can all agree wonderland needs a new water ride!!!! not a new slide but a good Log flume or a bermuda triangle type ride!!

Well i hope wonderland builds one of these rides and doesnt do anything cheap!! A new ride will bring the crowds and money.
cYa

Richard Wilson
11-09-2001, 05:47 AM
I think you all took what she said far too literally. I think that we will get one new ride, and its either an Intamin branded coaster or some sort of water ride. Wonderland are well Covered for Flat Rides, they are lacking in the water rides obviously, and they have plenty of coasters, but most aren't things to be proud of. They are also completely covered for kiddies rides, with Hanna Barbera Land jam packed with them.

If they do whatever they are doing right, then we can expect the park to regain popularity, and once that happens, Village or maybe even Six Flags will move down and open up some competition. I doubt Macquarie will do anything more in the Amusement industry, they have a world class park, and a smaller one, they are keeping up nicely with those two, we wouldn't want them getting in over there heads.

Richard

avalancheboy
11-14-2001, 06:54 AM
thunder 001

im sorry usefull info but i dont really think that has ne thing to do with wonderland!!!!!

ne way thanks for thr info but i rekin it might better suit the dreamworl thread in the world coasters section.

cheers
bill

Thunder001
11-17-2001, 07:25 PM
I have to agree with Richard on this one. While I did ask Renee
about the new ride rumors, she said that it has been a long time from their last major construction, that something big was coming up in the near future. She said that the park has been concertrating on the wildlife side of the park until now and that we would find out soon enough about the new ride developments.

Well it's off to Dreamworld for some more pics for www.twistedrails.com and the Cyclone construction so will catchya in the DW thread.

Richard Wilson
11-17-2001, 11:31 PM
Wonderland Sydney are rebuilding their website. Is it just me, or is this the first step to the new ride. I mean, if you remember the old site, it was very basic, and it would have been hard to put any annoucements on it like Dreamworld uses their frontpage to do.

Richard

Big Dipper
11-18-2001, 05:38 AM
I agree with u richard about the updated website could be done for a new ride!!! When i go to wonderland with my school on the 3rd of december im going to ask about a new ride (see if i can get some hints from them) I was thinking they might build an invertigo and call it demons revenge lol!! i just am soooo hopeing like everyone else that it is a hyper coaster. Oh well time will tell, i just cant wait!!!

Richard Wilson
11-18-2001, 06:20 AM
I don't think they will put in an Invertigo. Those are relatively cheap, and as Renee hinted to Wayne, it will be BIG! I haven't seen figures for the parks economic standings. But I'd imagine that they have paid off most debts that the park and Sunway has, and are into profits. Which would mean that there is more to come in the future.

The Hyper seems to be the prominent rumour at the moment, and it was obviously started somewhere, lets just hope that place is Wonderland!

Richard

Thunder001
11-19-2001, 01:49 AM
Big Dipper,

THe best places to ask at the parks are the quite shops and the friendlest people cause they let more slip. It's not their fault, it's just in their nature. This is how I get most of the inside info from Dreamworld. And just remember that it never hurts to ask and that if you don't ask you may never know.

joz
11-19-2001, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by joz

Still, whatís this about A FEW surprises?

I'm looking forward to hearing more about this... I reckon 1 surprise will be a coaster, and for the other surprise.... I dunno, probably Wonderland updating their website :)

See, I told you so! lol

I dunno if its for a new ride, because they did have a news section on their last site, the thing was that they put price lists and operating hours in to hide their lack of actual news. Its probably that they looked at their old site and went:

"Thats crap"

It will still make it easier to make announcements. I just hope that they actually have some announcements to make.

Richard Wilson
11-20-2001, 06:41 AM
I think that the main hint given from the new temporary website is the logo. It has changed a lot from the old logo:http://xeos.hn.org/wlslog.GIF. To me, it lookds a lot more modern, even thrilling. To show my point, if they made the logo this: http://xeos.hn.org/wlsflow.jpg, it would be showing something :).

If you havent seen it, here it is: http://www.wonderland.com.au/images/wonderland_trans_new.gif
Richard

Thunder001
11-20-2001, 09:54 PM
Renee did tell me that the web site was getting upgraded as the park has now hired a tech to keep the web site up to date with the info and to revamp the entire site. Hopefully they will have the video of the parks rides onto the page soon. Looks better though.

dj_danny
11-30-2001, 12:12 AM
Some kids (Yr 10) from my school went to Wonderland today. When they got back I was talking to one guy who said that both the Bounty's Revenge and The Snowy River Rampage were closed due to "refurbishment". While I can't confirm anything he said that the rapids were having their boats upgraded but that is all he could see. While this information is not much it looks promising. Could the park be picking up its act in preparation for next years "FEW" surprises? I guess we'll just have to wait and see!

Richard Wilson
11-30-2001, 02:21 AM
It is probably just their pre-summer holidays maintenance. They will want everything to look good, especially if they are announcing something soon, which brings me to another point.

I noticed they have something happening at Wonderland where you can get your picture taken with Shrek. Now, this means they have gotten rights to the movie Shrek. Is it possible we see some shrek themed ride as the new ride. (I'm personally not convinced they are getting multiple rides/attractions)

What would a Shreak ride look like do you think? Something long: Shrek's journey was long. Shrek was big. Shrek looked very mean. So as you can see, I'm still hoping for a hypercoaster. But then again, Shrek was a slimy Ogre, which means it might be a multilooper which twists and turns everywhere, as well as lots of twisted inversions. So it could be a looper.

Then, it might be nothing more than a big green flat thrill ride.

Or how about a superthemed, log flume/river adventure. Take Wild Wild West, change all the theming around to fantasy forests. Make the mountain a giant castle, with a dragon in it. Add some fire and smoke effects, and a huge big drop, and you have an awesome ride!

Richard

Big Dipper
12-01-2001, 07:55 AM
Well i reckon if they were to build a coaster for the movie shrek it would be a kids coaster, cause if they close down hana barbera land and the beastie they will need a new kids coaster! but a bright green multilooper would look gr8 and so would a bright green hyper coaster!! Also a shrek coaster or ride would be put in transilvannia cause thats all monster stuff!
After reading all about hana barbera land closing i think next years ride will be a thrill ride, hopefully one that australia hasent seen yet. I think we will be waiting a few years before wonderland gets a new coaster :( but anything new would be gr8 at wonderland! lol !

avalancheboy
12-01-2001, 09:05 PM
hey big dipper when did u hear about the HB land closing????? thats seems like such a suprise!!! anyway if this is true im shure they will be refurbishing and re theming the area. i mean y would they want to get rid of the beasty i mean it is like 1 of inly 3 coasters at the park and i know alot of kids that like that coaster... maby they will be expanding transilvania up past the rainbow thing to include the show stage and zodiac. but im shure they will keep the beasty, expand transilvania and refubish/re theme hanna barbera land.

also i heard that wonderland are getting rid of the ski lift thing to get some extra $$$ any 1 know more info??

dj_danny
12-01-2001, 11:38 PM
Since when in Hanna Barbera Land closing? That has the best ride in the park, The Beastie. Where did you find out HB is closing?

Anyway, I know why it would be closing. Just think..............
"Big Brother is watching......... Live from Australia's Wonderland."
It makes perfect snse. They close HB Land, demolish all but a bit of it, add Big Brohter (which according to Rove Live will be in a completely NEW house) and then make some big money for a new Hyercoaster :) . OK, maybe the hyper won't ever happen but I reckon there is a good chance that Big Brother will soon be watching from my homepark.

Richard Wilson
12-02-2001, 12:20 AM
I don't know that if it does move at all, which would be a waste on Dreamworld's behalf, that it would go to another park. I see it going to some sort of Entertainment Center, they have huge amounts of seating, and are usually in closer to cities than say Dreamworld, let alone Wonderland, which is out in the bush on an abandoned highway :D. If they move it anywhere, I agree it will be Sydney, but why would they, really. A new house probably means they have painted the walls, and put in a new plasma TV.

Beastie cant go, it is one of our two ACE classics, it may not be anything special for Americans, seeing as practically every Paramount park has one, but it is here. It is in my opinion, better than Bush Beast. They will keep it I'm sure, even if they close off HB land, and turn it into a refuse tip, they wouldn't allow it, it is a real crowd pleaser, not very rough, reasonable capacity with the two trains, good for ALL ages and rather rare type of ride in Australia.



Richard

Thunder001
12-02-2001, 12:30 AM
I'm surprised that they are taking the BB away from DW. Wasn't the deal that DW signed for the first three BB series. I know that the house tours finish in December. Is that enough time for the house to undergo a renovation. Speaking as someone inside the building industry, then yes. You can referbe a complete house in about 5 weeks. It is very easy to do if the main structor of the house is the same. The walls of the house are only plastered on one side and that is for the TV aud to see. I hope that it is not moved.

Mike Brown
12-02-2001, 03:38 AM
BB2 is at Dreamworld. All I know is that they are moving around some things, and adding a spa outside and hoping that housemates do something to make Big Brother After Dark rate.

joz
12-02-2001, 04:28 AM
BB2 is at Dreamworld. Its been confirmed from a few sources on the Coast. Besides, Dreamworld bent over backwards for Big Brother, and there's not a chance in hell their letting it go. Espically not to another Theme Park.

I personally think that doing ANYTHING would be an improvement, and I'd be guessing that a new ride (or 2) is part of the motivation behind taking HB apart, and relocating most of the rides. So long as it is for something new, I am all for it.

As far as I'm concerned, Beastie, HB and the Skyride arn't much of a price to pay for a ride that is actually fun to ride. Thats not to say that wonderland's rides arn't fun but they are too rough to really enjoy.

Although that could mean goodbye to Fred Flinstones Splashdown, which had the longest line of all the rides in the park the day I went.

I waited 10mins to go on that and 5 to go on Space Probe.... Something is seriously wrong there....

Big Dipper
12-02-2001, 04:36 AM
I read about hana babera land closing on coasterbuzz there was a post in the forums about wonderlands sydney and apparently it is closing down to make the park smaller, i agree the beastie is a gr8 coaster and i dont want to see it go!! if they do get rid of it i hope they rebuilt it!!

avalancheboy
12-02-2001, 06:56 PM
i have a feeling that the source from coasterbuzz would be VERY unreliable. y would wonderland want to do somthing like that if the get rid of that HBL there wil be no reasion for families to come to the park b/c there is nothing for the kiddies to ride. anyway i think this is a bit of bull and i dont think they would do it. they may be rethemeing it or re furbishing it but not completely removing it

Big Dipper
12-06-2001, 05:47 AM
Hey i went to wonderland on wednesday with my high school and im happy to say there have been a a heap of improvements to the park!!! Firstly there is a sign in the front of the park showing wonderlands sister park in malaysia!! There are new shoulder harness on the pirate ship!!! There are gr8 colour photos on the space probe and demon now, they are really good quailty photos!!! Also the lake is nearly empty, im not sure if its cause they were building ramps on the banks for the h20 show or if they r draining it for the closing of HB land! Also the bush beast was closed and there was a crane next to it!! I could see new wood on the track so i think they are finally retracking the ride!!! YAHOO:D !!!! Also i heard that there are new water jets on the river rapids.
The park gardens are looking good and apart from the food the park is a heap better!! I think we can expect a good new ride coming soon!!! And trust me they need one cause when i went there was my school, another high school and 2 primary schools and the public, It was soo empty that i rode the beastie 5 times in a row without having to line up for it, i just had to change carriages and that was it!!!! Lets all just hope that these improvements are leading up to something large!!! :D

Richard Wilson
12-09-2001, 04:33 AM
I just thought that any Shrek ride is unlikely, because Wonderland would only have limited rights to the characters of Shrek, a few years at the most. I don't think they will be building any Shrek themed rides, because they would have to change the name of it in a few years for legal reasons.

There is something going on there, because Wonderland, wouldn't go for years without doing much in the way of improvements to the park, then suddenly, redesign their logo (I believe the minorly changed it when they changed the name of the park back I think 1999), revamp the Demon trains (It seems that way, as the restraints look more like Vekoma ones than the old Arrow ones), revamp the Bounty, add waterjets to the Snowy River Rapids and then retrack BB.

Those are the kinds of things a normal park does over a matter of years. The park is getting ready for something, no one knows yet, Renee has hinted it, the new website has backed her up (what use is a News page if the park doesn't normally have news).

The park is well covered for flat rides and kiddies rides (better than any other park in Australia). They have wooden rollercoasters, they have a Drop tower. They have a low capacity Boomerang. There is something missing to make this park complete. A full circuit steel rollercoaster is what this park lacks.

I'm looking at the park map now. They don't want to draw guests into Transylvania, because this is a small section with the biggest thrills, so far. If they build in HB land, then it would be out of place, and families would go over there... mum and dad would sit down and watch little ones while they go on Beastie, or Boo Boo's Balloon Race, while brother and sister go on this new ride, so the area would attract most people, and other areas would be emptier, which isn't good. If they were to buid over near Bush Beat and Snowy River Rampage, then they would be bringing more people towards SRR, which is incredibly low capacity.

If they were to build anywhere, it would be at the Gold Rush Land end of Botany Bay, as there is a lot of unused land here, and it is central in the park, meaning that this new ride, which would be higher capacity than most others, would be taking a lot of the first people in the park, the people like us who have perfected the art of running to the popular rides.

No matter where they put a new ride, crowds will revolve around it. But by placing it centrally in the park, the crowds will radiate from that ride, and making all areas pretty much equally populated, as they are at the moment.

Thats my attempt to bring some life back into you guys, so add comments!

Richard

joz
12-09-2001, 05:05 AM
Sherek is another Michael Croaker promotion. Itís not a new ride by any means. And if it were, Wonderland would not start using it already. Thatís like Dreamworld building a rug ratís themed ride, its just not happening (I hope). I'm all with Richard about placement (and I must admit, I never thought about it)

You have no idea how good I think it is that Bush Beast is being re-tracked (or at least appears to be). That was one of Wonderland's biggest weaknesses I thought, the roughness of EVERYTHING!!

One concern was the harnesses on the Bounty's Revenge, they were basically bare metal, and weighed a ton. That seems to have been replaced.

Then there was the Demon, which was fine, until you hit the brakes, at which point you develop a severe neck ache. Well, the trains have been replaced, so hopefully that problem has gone down a bit.

Then there were the Woodies, which were as rough as buggery, and seemed to me, to offer little in the way of thrills, and was more of a challenge (To try and not get a sore behind). Now thatís been fixed, then thatís all my pet peeves about the park gone. (I must have picked the wrong year to go).


Something is definitely going on there, and whatever it is, its goanna be good. My money is on a new coaster, and a big one.

Wonderland arenít strangers to getting big stuff, itís just that they haven't done it for a long time. Bush Beast is close to the biggest coaster in Australia, and Space Probe was the tallest freefall in the world when it opened, so don't rule out something BIG coming Wonderland's way.

Then again, don't rule out Wonderland's surprises being the move of HB land.

Big Dipper
12-09-2001, 05:08 AM
The one problem with building a ride in an area that isnt themed is wonderland would probley spend millions on themeing and the ride wouldnt be fantastic! With all that they r doing ie. the retracking is probley costing a bit and unfortanatly taking money away from a new ride! I think we will find out about the new ride on boxing day, when all the parks open their attractions. But i do agree a new ride where u suggested would look gr8 and evenly distribute people.

joz
12-09-2001, 05:15 AM
Just one point, if you are going to announce a new ride for next season, you don't announce it on boxing day for 2 reasons.

1 is that with all the attractions opening at the Gold Coast parks, announcing it would be very much over shadowed, which is not what any park wants, they want people to talk about there next big thing, and to get excited about it.

2 Announcing something a year in advance makes you run the risk of people saying 'Well, we won't go this year, we'll go next year instead'. Parks don't want you to put off your visit for another year. They want you to come, to see something new coming, and for you to think that coming back sounds like a good idea.

Big Dipper
12-09-2001, 05:22 AM
Good points i didnt think about that! Another thing wonderland is doing is advertising!! today in the Sunday Telegraph they had an add anouncing the new shreck photos! They also had a photo of the demon and space probe! i think they finally are trying to get the number of people visiting up

joz
12-09-2001, 05:29 AM
Does Wonderland advertise often? When I went down, they had little flyers out that was talking about H20 war on water thing. I remember that because I used it to get half price entry. Apart from that all I saw was a heap of posters up on train starions, and a couple of ads in tourist books.

Big Dipper
12-09-2001, 05:38 AM
Wonderland isnt a big advertiser except for train station! it is rare to is it advertising in a newspaper! I expect a tv add will soon follow! Cause of the summer holiday coming up!

joz
12-09-2001, 05:42 AM
Off topic a bit, who here thinks that Wonderland was bloody smart as to go with Sherek? That has to be one of the best films of all time. Does anyone think Sherek is a kickass movie?

joz
12-10-2001, 07:23 PM
Maybe it was all good to be true, this is from screamscape:

Screamscape has received a report that there was a fire in the framework of the Bush Beast, the largest wooden coaster in the Southern Hemisphere. The coaster will survive, but it will be out of action for several weeks while they repair it.

Whaddya think of that?

Richard Wilson
12-11-2001, 12:04 AM
I send an email to Wonderland, some time last week, just with some general comments. Today, I got a reply, most of which was written by Stephen Galbraith, the CEO of Wonderland Sydney. He used to work for Village Roadshow in Sea World, Movie World and Wet n Wild, so the park is being led by someone who is experienced within the industry. Wonderland is changing everything around in the park, as Big Dipper has said. The website they have up at the moment is only temporary, the new one, which will be super interactive and everything will be available in the new year.

Both Renee and Stephen said they cannot comment on any new attractions comming. But they did say that the mechanics on Bush Beast and Demon have been tweaked, and result in a smoother ride.

A fire on Bush Beast sounds odd, thats probably what all the constuction stuff around the ride is but, unless this happened after Big Dipper went to the park.

Richard

joz
12-11-2001, 12:29 AM
Stephen Galbraith, where do I know that name????? I'm ganna be trying to figure that one out forever now, I've sooo heard of him.....

Actually, Wonderland got a few (reletivly high up) Village Roadshow staff a couple of years ago to manage the park. Michael Croaker is Wonderland's shows managers, and he was poached from Seaworld, and the operations manager (Andrew something?) was also from Seaworld. The whole company is more like Village Roadshow .2

I suppose the supposed fire could have been to do with the re-tracking of the ride, although I severly doubt it. If there was a fire, (although it sounds like it could be in-park gossip) then I'd say thats why there was construction stuff around the ride.

I read something on Coaster Buzz, that said that the capitcy of the park is 20,000, and they want to lower that. What I can't help but wonder, is how close they get to that?

I know that Seaworld has a capaticy of about 13,000 (and in the peak of the summer holidays, theres a few '13,000 days, and a heap where its around 12,000. What does Wonderland get in the summer holidays? If there ganna lower capiticy, it'd be interesting to know how much they can lower it before the park feels crowded.

Richard Wilson
12-12-2001, 10:53 PM
The rumour about the fire turned out to be a load of nonsense. They are just retracking the ride.

I was wondering if they retrack it often, or if this is a special occurance, which might resut in a smoother ride! I don't think I've heard of them doing it before, you have to admit, the ride is looking quite sad sitting over there with that dead looking wood and rust all over the cables and bolts.

I personally think that a fire would have done this ride good! Maybe making replace alot of the timber, not just the track as they appear to be doing.

Richard

Thunder001
12-16-2001, 04:31 AM
The so called fire was only some grass that was burned near the timber being used for the re-tracking of the ride. It was just blown out of proportion. No damage to the ride itself though.

joz
12-16-2001, 05:40 AM
I'm glad that was cleared up. Is it known when the ride is ment to re-open (if it hasn't already?)

coastergenius100
12-16-2001, 03:13 PM
Yeah, hopefully they will get something good.

Richard Wilson
12-16-2001, 07:52 PM
I did some looking up just earlier. Wonderland Sydney gets a bit over 1 million guests per year. Now, that is a bit more than Dreamworld. You have to realise that Sydney is a lot Bigger than Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast. Lets say that Sydney has a population 75% greater than SE Qld. Now, they also have 1/3 the amount of parks. Theoretically, Wonderland Sydney could hae a poptential entrances per year of upwards of 4 million. THat

This park is by no means poor, I estimated that they have been putting away at least $5 million per year for future investments, and usually a capital investment won't be paid fully with saved money. Sunway Corp. will give the park additional funding, or a loan will be taken.

We are being continually hinted of something big, and it seems the parks financial status are supporting pratically anything they can dream of!

Richard

Taipan2
12-17-2001, 01:48 AM
I'm begging for a Hyper, however some people who work there have said it will NOT be a coaster. :mad: I hope this won't turn out to be true.

Yeah, Sydney may be the biggest city whereas the Gold Coast gets the most visitors, go figure.

BTW, did you know that a Stand-Up was supposed to be built or looked at instead of the Demon? Word is the execs rode one in the States & said "You ride it standing up, what's the big deal about it?" They most likely rode one of the TOGOs & would've gotten one, ouch! Mind you, this was in the late 80's. They just took advantage of buying the Titan 2nd hand from Expo '88.

I wonder had the Demon been a SU if that would've brought on a new coaster or more by now.

joz
12-17-2001, 02:11 AM
I hate to admit it, but I think your right. Thunder some news in the Dreamworld thread thats worth a look at. It says that an Australian Park is looking at a couple of B&M projects. I think he's right, and it'll be Dreamworld.

Athough Wonderland isn't performing as good as they could, they arn't really doing that bad. There getting the same attendence as Gold Coast parks, and they haven't added a new ride in years, so why would they add something expensive when they can throw in a good, reletivly cheap thrill ride.

Richard Wilson
12-17-2001, 03:06 AM
You basically answered your own question there joz, with the "Wonderland isn't performing as good as they could" comment.

I do know what you mean but, look at Six Flags Worlds of Adventure for instance. In the past two years, 5 rollercoasters have opened at the park, giving them 10 in total. Six Flags thought they would beef this park up seeing as it is their closest park to Cedar Point. The park got about 1 million guests compared to Cedar Point's 3.4 million. Obviously Six Flags have gone about this rather wrong, because the park was probably doing as well as it could when it was three seperate parks - a water park, theme park and marine park.

However, Wonderland Sydney is very different, and rather than needing new rides to keep up with local parks, the park is getting very overlooked by Sydney folk because simply it has nothing new, and is worth the visit every three or four years. Although I'm interstate from Wonderland, I feel that there has been no real point in me going there again. If a new ride was built, it would once again give people a reason to travel out there more often, increasing profits. They target the Sydney region mainly, 45% of their entrances are locals. They also have a large market for International guests, the reason they have been heavily concentrating chiefly on their Wildlife park for the past 5 years.

Richard

Big Dipper
12-21-2001, 06:03 AM
Well apparently they have finished updating the wildlife park and are now focusing on the theme park, i hope they spend 5 years on putting new rides in!! What ever they put in it will be new to Australia, otherwise they wont get much attention! i cant believe that they would get the same amount of visitors at a gold coast park cause when i went 2 weeks ago there would have been probley 500 people in the whole park! the rumor is the ride will be put in the action area probley themed around action man.

joz
12-22-2001, 03:07 AM
I went about the same time last year, and it was dead, vitually no one. I presumed it was just quiet because everybody was doing Xmas shopping. But considering how crowded the Gold Coast parks are at the moment, I'm starting to see the faults of my theory. One thing that I don't know is how much over a million the parks get.

I can imagine that Wonderland would be just on a million and the Gold Coast parks would be say, getting 1.4/1.5

Thats a difference of about 1,000 people a day over the whole year, and I reckon that sounds about right.

I think Richard said it best with "the park is getting very overlooked by Sydney folk"

They have spent so much time trying to attract international visitors with the Australian Wildlife Park that they've virtually ignored their biggest market - Sydney.

It kinda makes you wonder why they would try and attract international visitors when there are 3 million people a day trip away.......

Big Dipper
12-23-2001, 12:02 AM
I agree i mean sydney is the biggest city with 4 million living there!! NSW also has the biggest population of any state in Australia & WLS is getting overlooked! They have now brought in helicopter flights! u can fly over the park or fly over sydeny harbour! This will only attract tourists, cause sydney residents are not going to want to pay hundreds to fly over a city they live in every day! I Agree its about time they work on attracting locals and not tourists! Maybe the rumored ride will attract the locals!

avalancheboy
12-29-2001, 07:16 AM
big dipper yeah i totally agree. i dont live ni sydney anymore but when i visit there all the people there are like" nah man wonderland like sux cvause have like nothin new". shure wonderland is always improving the park but the improvments are of the nature where they would not benefit hi advertisement.

my summary on this whole "wonderland not having ne thing new installed for years"thing is this; with wonderland bringing in over 1 million visitors a year at $45 a peice for nearly 8 years that would come to a grand total of 360 million dollars. now im not shure as to how much wonderland spend each year on the park but im Positive that it wouldnt come close to $45 000 000. which then means that they have a tonne of money sitting 'somewhere' waiting to be spent. now if the managers had any sence( which im shure they would) saw how much potential this much money has in a park in australias biggest city has they would be planning somthing. now with this kind of money to play around with the options would be endless and and could be ne thing. now if wonderland do read our minds and get a intamin giga,4-d, b&m inverted, hyper woodie and or a tonne of flat rides this park could possibly become australias best amusement park.
my 2 bob.

bill

dj_danny
12-29-2001, 11:20 PM
I visited Wonderland last friday (28/12/01) and let me say not once in 4 years do i recall the park being so corwded. There was not a single ride without a queue (except kiddie rides) and every ride was fuly operational. Nearly every stall in the park was open and the place was buzzing with cleaners. The Skyhawk was sadly dismantled (RIP) and I could see it in pieces over the ridge looking left on the Beastie's hill. The Skyway was running (suprise, surprise) and Space Probe had all 3 carriages running. Both Bush Beast trains were running and with the Beastie. There were queues in excess of 45 mins for the Snowy River Rampage and the slides at the beach had nearly full queues. The place was looking very nice ans the new logo had replaced the original one at tyhe front gates. Overall the place was in great condition hopefully in the lead up for a new ride.

P.S- Does Wonderland accept Yr. 10 students for Work Experience?

avalancheboy
12-30-2001, 01:17 AM
to me it still sounds like a pretty average day during a holiday. whenever i go there at least 2 times a year the majority of the time the attendance is normal and all the rides are running. about that 45 min wait on river rampage, im very suprised that the wait wasnt longer concidering the extreme temps in west sydney this past weekend. but yes i agree with u there that the park is looking very tidy at the moment and im shure this summer will bring plenty more money for future investments and improvments.

just a question...how was the bush beast since the retracking???and also were the breaks just b4 the seccond drop still there??

dj_danny
12-30-2001, 04:48 AM
You wouldnt even know that retracking had happened. The ride is as rough if not rougher then it was when I went in June. The ride has gone to the dogs and even though it is fun it is becoming unbearably rough. The brakes are still on unfortunately but I am sort of glad because if they weren't the ride would be a whole lot rougher.

avalancheboy
12-30-2001, 05:08 AM
thats a big dissapointment u know!!!! i wasnt expecting it to be smooth as glass but it would have been nice if the beast was a little more enjoyable.. but then again if u look at the big sceme of things there are rougher coasters out there i mean thunderbolt at dreamworld is only just barable and there are heaps of coasters in the us that give u bruises..mostly the older 1's. but i am dissapointed and im shure park managment is too. maby it is somthing else thats making it rough like the trains, im pretty shure they are the older model of phillidelphia taboggan co. trains.
u know this coaster is 16 years old and when i rode it 8 years ago there were no breaks and not much bump. but i think if they can really get this coaster back to its former glory it can then deserve to be my top woodie again.

joz
01-01-2002, 03:19 AM
Question: What sort of effect is the bush fires having on attendence?

My observations so far have been mixed, some days at SW have been packed well beyond expectations, and other days which are quite quiet for this time of year, and I would that the cause of this is that people are putting off their holiday plans because of the bushfires.

With most of the highways cut off, and all these fires close to homes, I would be 99% sure that it has had an impact on the numbers of people coming on holiday to the Gold Coast. So are people staying in Sydney taking their kids out to Wonderland for the day instead?.

avalancheboy
01-01-2002, 05:56 AM
joz, im really not shure. my cousins were there last week and they said that is was buisy than is usually is. but i think it could also be the new shreck thing they have got there at the moment(photos with shrek) and the H2Overload shows they have

Big Dipper
01-01-2002, 11:18 PM
Hey does anyone have an bush beast photos?? i cant find an on the net! Another reason the park is packed is cause they have a lot of adds for WLS on the tv and there are sydney hotel deals that if u stay at there hotel u get a family pass to WLS.

Richard Wilson
01-01-2002, 11:27 PM
Well, I've had this for a month or so now, but when I got a letter from Wonderland's CEO, the paragraph of interest to me (well, us) is this one here:

In regards to the rumours. As suggested, things are differently happening at Wonderland at the moment. I am afraid I couldn't give to much away here - but rest assured the brief is diversity of experience with an eye for the contemporary and the exclusive.

Now, in English:


In regards to the rumours. As you just said, we've really cleaned up our act at Wonderland. When we make the official announcement, you'll know all the details - in short we have asked for a ride that's diverse, extremely modern and new to Australia.

Ok, that crosses out a themed water adventure ride like said at screamscape, quite a few flat rides. Sure, you could say we're getting one of Huss' Giant rides, but then, they say they have asked for a diverse ride. Would anyone call any flat ride a diverse ride - most flat rides give you one thing, you know - freefall, positive g's, laterals, headaches, that sort of stuff.


Richard

joz
01-02-2002, 01:58 AM
It crosses out a purly water themed ride, true.... maybe they could be looking at a water coaster (ala Journey to Atlantis)

Sounds unlikley, but it it would explain why 1 rumour says water ride and why we keep hearing the word coaster.

avalancheboy
01-02-2002, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by Big Dipper
Hey does anyone have an bush beast photos?? i cant find an on the net! Another reason the park is packed is cause they have a lot of adds for WLS on the tv and there are sydney hotel deals that if u stay at there hotel u get a family pass to WLS.

i once had a site that had tones of wonderland pics. but, because homestead are making me pay for their hosting it is no longer. if u want i will send them to you via e-mail

avalancheboy
01-02-2002, 05:49 AM
well diverse could also mean a totally new themed area. maby an action zone so the "action man lives on" show dosent look to out of place.

Big Dipper
01-02-2002, 06:01 AM
My email address is rollercoasters_rule@hotmail.com
If u can send bush beast photos to that address it would be great, thanks Avlancheboy.

Taipan2
01-04-2002, 05:37 PM
Question: was the BB really retracked?

Here's the only good pic I took of the BB.

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/7d39977e/bc/Miscellaneous/__hr_Bush+Beast+@+WLS.jpg?bcR4ph8AvnYmH7qf

Thunder001
01-06-2002, 05:48 AM
It has been rumored that the new attraction for wonderland is going to be only the second one of it's type in the world and that it is classed as a hyper. Now to me this can only be one ride that fits that description. Now that I have said that, the source is only a new one and has not yet proven their worth as a source. I only hope that this is true.

Big Dipper
01-06-2002, 06:55 AM
What a great rumor !!!! If u dont mind me asking were did u hear it?? If wls got that ride it would be the most popular park in australia and it would attract many people from australia and from overseas! :D It would be the best thing to happen to an australian park and imagine what dreamworld and movieworld would have to do to catch up :D !!!!!!! All i can say is im sooo hoping the rumor is true and that the ride is built before next summer!!
OH and Avalancheboy i think all your wishing might have come true LOL ;)

Taipan2
01-06-2002, 09:07 PM
Whoa, that is way beyond my wildest dreams. Everyone hold their thumbs & cross fingers at the same time! :D

avalancheboy
01-06-2002, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Big Dipper

OH and Avalancheboy i think all your wishing might have come true LOL ;)


Yay me yay me....OMG now this is so exciting!!!!!!!!:D :D

4D come to australia BABY!!!!!

joz
01-07-2002, 03:23 AM
http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forums/thread.asp?ForumID=11&TopicID=16869

This article talks about 2 newly released layouts of 4D's. I bring your attention to this:


In the article, they also talk about a launched 4D that Arrow has planned, in which the seats on both sides rotate seperately, instead of together. It doesn't say whether that is one of the two shown in the pictures. They do say however that, it would be cheaper and take up less space, and that "A park is already very interested in this ride", reffering to the launched version.

It makes sense, espically for Wonderland. I really don't think they could afford one of the big versions, but a cheaper launched...... Dare to dream :D

Richard Wilson
01-07-2002, 07:50 AM
A 4D would be amazing, they are at least double the length of any coasters here at the moment, tallest too, fastest too, while we are at it steepest drop? So long as the colour doesn't contain pink, I'll be happy. For some reason, a Light Blue, Dark Blue and White 4D would look good to me, but I think we should wait for an annoucement before we start choosing colours, designs and stuff - it ususally helps.

I don't think that launched design is further than the drawing boards at this stage, as far as I can remember, Arrow haven't done a launch since their launched loops back 20 years ago, and they were just tires anyway.

Don't forget, there are a few other "only one other in the world"s around: Intamin's Xcellerator, as Big Dipper suggested is one, also AIR could be considered one, although there is one fairly definate one going to SFOG, and Wonderland Management wouldn't tell the difference between a B&M Prone and a Vekoma Flying Dutchman - actually I'd trust that Wonderland would, over Dreamworld any day.

I don't know, maybe I want an regular Hyper too much?

joz
01-07-2002, 07:57 AM
Arrow have actually done a launched coaster????? Oh yeah, their old shuttle loopers.

I think if it was to be a 4d, (Fingers still crossed) then launched would be the order of the day, espically for Wonderland. Its cheaper and takes up less space, which would be perfect for them.

I also thought of another 'one of a kind' hypers: Inverted. There's only one inverted hyper out there, so that could be it. Either way, fingers crossed on that source.

pgalvin
01-07-2002, 04:59 PM
Good to see that ther are other coaster fans in the land of Aus.


I hate to be the one to pass on the bad news but there will be no new coaster going up at Wonderland in the near future. I recently did some work at the park and the plans are for an Intamin water ride to be built. Construction will begin late Jan or early Feb.

Richard Wilson
01-07-2002, 05:54 PM
Welcome to CoasterForum and ThrillNetwork pgalvin!

An Intamin Water Ride? Intamin have been doing a few of their 'Shoot de Chutes' lately - particularly these record braking ones lately such as Perilous Plunge etc.

They would make water rides that are longer/able to be themed better too - so maybe that is what they are looking at. Although I think it would be too similar to WWW (anyone know who built that ride anyway?).

I just realised something too - if they were to put in something like at the Gold Coast parks - such as a River Adventure ride, then they are working on their local audience - at the moment, I say "Why go down to Wonderland, when I can ride better things here". The Sydneyers are then saying "Wonderland is so booring - you get so much more at the Gold Coast". If they got a water ride, the locals will stay local, because they can ride the same thing as WWW without going far, Wonderland are theoretically hitting 2 birds with 1 stone - increased attendance at their park, and keeping people away from the Gold Coast.

Regardless of what they get, I'm happy - but I'd be happier with a coaster of some sort.

I think they are getting more than one thing - over the course of the next few years. They will have been planning for the past two or three years how they are going to slowly get better - they started with reworking of many rides, changing of logo, new website (which is temporary until they get another "interactive" one - hope they have the videos they had a few years ago!) and the confirmation of a big thrill ride of some sort.

joz
01-07-2002, 06:14 PM
This is Wonderland, ANY new ride would have to be welcomed with open arms, A water ride? Sweet, that sounds great. If Wonderland gets anything new, it'll be an improvement, and besides, I know we may be barking up the wrong tree completly, but how good would a WWW be at Wonderland? pgalvin, you might know, what sort of water ride are they after? Pelirous Plunge clone, or WWW style river ride?

I don't know who designed Wild Wild West. I'm thinking Intamin, or themeselves. They have had a habbit of desinging rides in the past. Bermuda Triangle was designed by Village Warner. So I wouldn't rule out the possibility of them doing it again with WWW.

pgalvin
01-07-2002, 08:20 PM
I couldn't tell you what type of water ride it is going to be. All I know is it will be located just down from the Pirate Ship on the left hand side.

I agree that any ride is better then no ride at all but don't you think that if the park really wants to lift its attendance and compete with Dreamworld they need to put in a new coaster. Even though I doubt that this will happen because I have been told that the Managing Director believes that there is already enough coasters in the park..... What is he on about? You can never have too many coasters

joz
01-07-2002, 09:26 PM
I have been told that the Managing Director believes that there is already enough coasters in the park..... What is he on about? You can never have too many coasters

Amen to that :)

Still, I can kinda see where he's coming from. Take Dreamworld for example: When they built Tower of Terror in 1997, that was the only thing of note in the park at the time. It made Dreamworld an easy park to skip over. If they (Wonderland) build a big new coaster now, then they would just be skipped over, since thats all there is there.

If they build a few good quality rides first, then they build a big coaster that'll give them international exposure, people will look at the park and say: "Yeah, that <whatever ride> in Wonderland looks cool, plus they've apparently also got some really cool flat rides. It might be worth going there"

pgalvin
01-08-2002, 05:27 AM
Originally posted by joz


Amen to that :)

Still, I can kinda see where he's coming from. Take Dreamworld for example: When they built Tower of Terror in 1997, that was the only thing of note in the park at the time. It made Dreamworld an easy park to skip over. If they (Wonderland) build a big new coaster now, then they would just be skipped over, since thats all there is there.

If they build a few good quality rides first, then they build a big coaster that'll give them international exposure, people will look at the park and say: "Yeah, that <whatever ride> in Wonderland looks cool, plus they've apparently also got some really cool flat rides. It might be worth going there"

Thats a good point and I would be happy to see it go that way.They just need to add the rides a little more often. It has been such a long time since anything has gone in.

avalancheboy
01-09-2002, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by pgalvin



I hate to be the one to pass on the bad news but there will be no new coaster going up at Wonderland in the near future. I recently did some work at the park and the plans are for an Intamin water ride to be built. Construction will begin late Jan or early Feb.

ive done my research and wonderland cannot be getting a intamin water ride bc as said b4 that the new ride would be the second of its kind in the world. and intamin have done heaps of water rides. Also people looked at the possibility of it being a intamin shoot the chute ride similar to the 1 at Knott's. but the second 1of those is already being built at oakwood in wales go to http://www.coasterforce.com/articles/2002.htm its right at the bottom.

also how could u know what the ride would be if u only worked for the park, only managers know!!!AND where near the pirate ship would they fir a ride i mean isnt the wildlife park right next to old botany bay!!

for the mods..im not flaming im just pointing out the facts!!

Big Dipper
01-09-2002, 06:18 AM
Good points Avalancheboy, I was wondering how pgalvin found out about the ride? I think if intamin was to build a water ride there it would ahve to be something brand new. And i dont think intamin is planning any new water rides.

Thunder001
01-09-2002, 06:40 AM
People,

Allow me to tell what I know coming from the parks main office. 1- The new ride is not yet known to the staff within the park as only the managment knows what it is.
2 - The ride is ment to be coaster bassed...no solid leads as yet and the last one I said proved as yet to be unproven.
3 - I will be one of the first to know when it is announced as my web site is listed with the media releases that the park sends out.
And 4 - The park is not going to tell any employees what is coming as they know that I have contacts within the park to let me know when this stuff happens.

As of this time I have 3 different stories from within my park contacts. That just tells me that the park does not want any one to know what it is that is coming.

Richard said it before that the ride was not like anything seen in australia before. As for a shoot ride as mentioned above, that would be a little bit to much like the Wild Wild West Ride at Movie World for them to say this. Granted that they are two different styles of rides but both on the same principle.

The best way is to just wait for the park to tell us what is coming, although I have been giving the impression that it is a coaster of some sort.

If you want the latest then check my site under my profile.

avalancheboy
01-09-2002, 06:56 AM
well said thunder.....with the water ride thing..it defently makes sence that it wouldnt be 1 cause i mean y would the GP of QLD want to travel 13 hours to ride a ride that to them would be reletivley the same to 1 that is only about a hour drive away(depending where u live in queensland).

pgalvin
01-10-2002, 05:26 AM
Originally posted by avalancheboy


ive done my research and wonderland cannot be getting a intamin water ride bc as said b4 that the new ride would be the second of its kind in the world. and intamin have done heaps of water rides. Also people looked at the possibility of it being a intamin shoot the chute ride similar to the 1 at Knott's. but the second 1of those is already being built at oakwood in wales go to http://www.coasterforce.com/articles/2002.htm its right at the bottom.

also how could u know what the ride would be if u only worked for the park, only managers know!!!AND where near the pirate ship would they fir a ride i mean isnt the wildlife park right next to old botany bay!!

for the mods..im not flaming im just pointing out the facts!!

To be honest with you I hope that I am wrong about the water ride. I was just passing on the news that I have heard from a number of sources in the park. You have sources and I have sources so lets just pass on what we know or what we have heard and forget about the bickering. I think we are missing the big picture here. We should just be happy that we are finally getting a new ride.

As for the location of the ride I was a little vague. I was told it will be located where the Parachute ride( not sure of its name) is currently located.

joz
01-10-2002, 06:13 AM
Originally posted by Northern ireland to australia rollerboy
Wonderland needs a new ride. My friends mum
<BR>works there and he told me they are getting a new ride. One of them was a water ride.
<BR>
<BR>The Demons trains are really bad i hate them.
<BR>Also last year i rode the Bush Beast and after the first drop, up turn then you stop
<BR>for about 5 secs then you roll down the hill.
<BR>I don't like it cause it slows it down and boy does bb need new trains.

So far, every source I've seen to have any connections (or at least claim to) Water ride seems to be what's said. It's not something that Pgalvin has made up, and I really do think that Wonderland would be going down that path.

Plus I don't know where this "Only" a water ride thing came from. You can't seriously tell me that you would reject a 'Wild Wild West' style ride. That'd still be sweet.

As thunder said, wait till the announcement comes out, then form go from there, letís not get carried away with the rumour. Just because the words water ride have gone around, doesn't mean that's what they're getting.

whome
01-10-2002, 05:37 PM
Wonderland desperately needs at least 6 top class rides, at the moment the park is an embarrasment! I can't understand why the owners think that Aussies will settle for crap, if the park was halfway decent attendance would go through the roof. I would love it if Australia could boast a world class theme park, I just can't see it happening.

joz
01-10-2002, 06:37 PM
It's the old story really, why would they build all that when they don't have to? As we've discucesed before, there is no competition, therefor, no reason to build new rides. In Sydney, there is only one choice, and that is Wonderland. Its not like the Gold Coast where the parks have to build new rides/attractions every year to stop people going elsewhere.

Taipan2
01-10-2002, 09:08 PM
Well, damnit, SF should build a park near them! How about the Telstra land about 300m diagonally opposite the park over the M4 in Doonside? It is 2 square km, though I dunno if Telstra would want to sell it.

As for Intamin, what about the KBF one someone said? I'm not sure what what the product name is, it's called the River Ride on RCT. The name of course is Perilous Plunge, one at WLS would be awesome, it's so steep, although they would need OTSRs to keep well-rounded passengers in. :rolleyes:

2nd ever ride? Then the above doesn't count. I thought about a Liquid Coaster but don't think Intamin have built one.

In the SMH a while ago there is a proposal for a small park at Homebush. Unfortunately they said it's for 14 years & younger. The rendering showed a coaster though. Just from looking at it, it looks like a B&M launched coaster. I could be wrong as that cou;d be more expensive than the park itself. I will post the article sometime soon.

whome
01-11-2002, 05:32 PM
I realise that Wonderland is so bad mainly because they have no competition, however park officials are always moaning that attendances are low!!! Of course they're low, Aussies know when they are being treated like idiots and it's very hard to get excited about going to Wonderland especially after visiting some of the US parks. Give us a decent park and we will visit often, I'd even buy a yearly pass.

Richard Wilson
01-11-2002, 05:53 PM
Can I just say this one last time - Wonderland does not have any attendance issues. They recieve over 1 million guests a year, which is on par with Dreamworld. They park has an amazing capacity - far better than Dreamworld, or many other parks here - they could take double the amount Dreamworld has in a day before it starts to look packed - both wooden coasters have double trains working basically all the time and Space Probe is so much shorter (and more exciting) than Giant Drop, and Snowy River Rampage is a very short ride - they have all reasonably high capacity rides compared to Dreamworld, and others.

pgalvin
01-11-2002, 06:07 PM
The attendance for the park might be high but if you have been to the park lately you would of seen that it is mainly school students on a excursions or bus loads of tourist. There really isnít that many of the general public that go because they want to.

joz
01-11-2002, 06:25 PM
The thing you have to ask yourself is: Do school students and busw loads of tourists pay to enter the park? Also consider that tour groups spend the most money while in the park, and as they go on less rides, eat in the same place etc. they are cheaper to accomodate. They've been spending their money to attract tour groups and international visitors with the Australian Wildlife Park. That's great bussniess sense, they've managed to keep their attendence remarkably high, and they've had to spend next to no money to do it.

They now have all the tour groups and the like that they need, and they now look like that they are going to start getting back to attracting more indivduals as it were.

And finally, As Richard said:


- they could take double the amount Dreamworld has in a day before it starts to look packed -

Giant Drop has an appauling capiticy, as do pretty much all of their major rides with the exception of 'Wipeout'.

With 2 train operations on their two major coasters, and a fast winch on a shorter tower on Space Probe, Wonderland's rides take allot more peope per hour, so the crowds that are there, aren't nearly as noticable as at Dreamworld.

Richard Wilson
01-13-2002, 09:50 PM
It seems their new "interactive" site is up finally. I'll just hope that it is still a work in progress - not much to interact with there. They said to me they were trying to lead the way in the ecommerce technology for theme parks - to be honest, their old site, when the webcams and videos were running was far better, and was interactive too - the only quarrel I had was the ugly colours used, although they were made to complement the old logo.

Come on Wonderland, give us something to look at - both in the park and at the website!

joz
01-14-2002, 05:13 AM
They wanna lead the way in the ecommerce technology for theme parks ay? Well, all they have to do is take over from the Villiage Warner park sites, as well as the Dreamworld and Luna Park Melbourne site, and they'll be there :)

I know this isn't really in tune with what this topic is about, but did anyone else used to play the old 'Scoot for loot' on Dreamworld's old website? I used to play that, and got 3 tickets out of it (I found the little cheat that gave you the really high scores). Thats little game was the only reason I went to Extended Play. Anyone else here used to play it?

Richard Wilson
01-14-2002, 05:23 AM
Lets keep this for Wonderland Sydney related stuff - there's a Dreamworld thread not far from here, feel free to post there (in fact do so now, I have some news, but I won't post it until someone else has so I don't double post :)).

Thanks

Mattie
01-16-2002, 04:52 PM
I will be travelling down to Sydney in mid February this year, as Wonderland invited me to visit their park. Any news I find out during my meetings and visit, I will post on here (and my AAF site) to let you know what is happening.

I will also be travelling to Luna Park Melbourne, as I have been invited there as well.

Big Dipper
01-18-2002, 05:55 AM
Hello
Well I was just looking on the net and well i was thinking what ride wls could get. I made a list on paper with the clues.

- Water ride or Coaster
- 1st or 2nd type in the world
- Diverse and extremely modern
- New to Australia

it got me to thinking what coaster could that be! (im being positive and thinking it will be a coaster) Now like we have all said and hoped it would be a 4d, but then there is the cost! WLS would rather get a cheaper ride that gives nearly the same thrills for less money. That got me to think a Sledge Hammer! It supposed to be a average priced coaster, compact and offer a gr8 range of exciting experiences!
Just think it fits nearly all the clues, its a coaster, it would be the 1st in the world i think, it is diverse and extremely modern and of course new to australia (what ride isnt lol :p )
Another reason is it is japanese made and i think it would cost less to ship a ride from japan to australia.
Well those are my thoughts, sorry its a long post!

Also mattie when r u going to update AAF?

joz
01-18-2002, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by Big Dipper
That got me to think a Sledge Hammer! It supposed to be a average priced coaster, compact and offer a gr8 range of exciting experiences!

Forgive me for my ignorance, but what is a sledge hammer? Is that one of Vekoma's new rides?

Big Dipper
01-18-2002, 06:08 AM
Sledge hammer is made by a japanese company Hoei Sangyo check out there website www.hoei-sangyo.co.jp

joz
01-18-2002, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by Thunder001
It has been rumored that the new attraction for wonderland is going to be only the second one of it's type in the world and that it is classed as a hyper.

Fault with clue: Second in the world. Since Wayne's source is the only one that has said it will be new by world standards, we'd have to say that if he (or she) is right, that detail will also be right.

Can I also that I really didn't enjoy writing this reply. I hate being negitive and discounting ideas before looking at every possible angle.

Besides, you got me thinking hammerhead stall from Vekoma... They are hypers right? lol

Thunder001
01-18-2002, 06:15 PM
Just so that you know Joz, that source is running at about 50 - 50 with their info at the moment. They get a lot of rumors that are put out to through you off the real info. I guess we will have to wait and see with this one.