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robvia
01-29-2004, 01:56 PM
I recently sent two e-mails to Busch parks.
In the 2nd one, I ranted about when they would get a new coaster on the east coast (a fun ride, not a family coaster), and told them I'm drinking Coors Light Silver Bullet because I'm frustrated.
They got the message. Below is their response. I'm not going to print what I said to them, because I did that once on another message board, and everyone flamed me, but I will print their response. To those who say only 1 doesn't matter, the parks don't read your e-mails, and to those who flame me in RRC, you're all wrong, The parks listen, and I think 2005 is gonna be a great year.

Dear Mrs. Viands:

Once more we want to thank you for contacting us. I spoke with our General
Manager, and he informed me to enlighten you with some good news. You are going
to be an extremely happy guest by 2005. The magnitude of this project in Busch
Gardens Tampa Bay is definitely a first for roller coasters aficionados.

Thank you again and we are certain that your refrigerator will be full of
Anheuser Busch products soon.

Sincerely,

Christian Y. Triscornia
Guest Relations Specialist
Busch Gardens Tampa Bay/ Adventure Island
P.O.Box 9158
Tampa, FL 33674
Phone 813-987-5885
Fax 813-987-5746
E-Mail Christian.Triscornia@BuschGardens.com

Knoxville
01-29-2004, 03:36 PM
That's really clever how they made the response. I'm excited now to know that something big is coming for 2005! :)

bk2004
01-29-2004, 04:06 PM
Thats cool! Cant wait for 05! But what does this mean:

The magnitude of this project in Busch
Gardens Tampa Bay is definitely a first for roller coasters aficionados.

?????? What in the world ??????

Riddler156
01-29-2004, 05:49 PM
Does that mean a prototype? or will it just be the first in Florida? Well, I guess we're going to have several months of guessing! :D

bk2004
01-29-2004, 07:33 PM
Let the rumors begin! Oviously its going to be a coaster, so that can narrow it down by far. But the big question is from whom? It will be a year from now for when we know what it will be. Can you wait it out?

robvia
01-29-2004, 08:14 PM
With them saying it's a first, I don't know what it is now.

In all my letters, I put full length B&M speed coaster for the NW corner of the park, but who knows what they've got planned.

I think we should all click on the e-mail link and send a big THANK YOU to Christain. I'm going to do it. Lots of people flame me saying 1 doesn't count. Well it does. I actually got 2 e-mails back from my rant. One on the 24th, a thank you from a general internet coordinator, and now the one up above from guest relations, so my letter obviously went up the ladder and didn't end up in the trash like many say.

slipknot8527
01-30-2004, 01:55 AM
I say its doctrined.

BGTKing
01-30-2004, 07:25 AM
I think this needs to be in rumors for the time being. If you want to show seomthing is real, at least take screenshots of the email and it in your inbox. Until then, I dunno.

twistytie
01-30-2004, 10:12 AM
This is really exciting! I'm definitely thinkning a B&M here, just because they have such a good realtionship. Perhaps a new B&M 4-D? I mean it would be the first one. I guess I'm going to have to make a visit to BGT in 2005 to see what's up.

Cid
01-30-2004, 10:37 AM
i think thats freakin awesome how they actually responded to the e-mail and not with one of those generic "we thank you for your interest in what were doing and we hope to see you in the near future" blah blah blah.

BGT 2005 here i come. can't wait to ride the scorpion!!!

robvia
01-30-2004, 10:40 AM
It is real.
Anyone who follows my posts in RRC knows how frustrated I am with "family rides."
Even if I took the screen shot of my inbox, you all would say it's photoshopped.
Did you click on the email link above?
Send an e-mail, and it won't bounce back. In fact, you may even get a response. I replied to the e-mail saying thanks for the lifeline. Try it, click on the link and send a little message saying Thanks for the Update and I'm looking forward to BGT in 2005.

BatwingFan SFA
01-30-2004, 01:09 PM
That's good news for BGT...now if only someone could E-mail SF parks to find out what may be on tap for the 2005 season.

trainguy83
01-30-2004, 01:23 PM
hey well a friend of mine works for bgt and told me about this last nov but no one believed me but this is what he told me about it

it's taller then kumba by about 60 feet
it's going into stanleyville
it'll be very compact and it goes underground a couple times
it has two drops at 90 degree angles
one is 180 ft the other is 130 ft
i will be over and around the log flume ride in stanleyville

and he also said look for a press release in the spring or summer of 2004

i trust my friend and this kindof proves there is something up finally :D

twistytie
01-30-2004, 02:27 PM
Interesting...

Maybe a B&M dive machine?

Carowinds 73-03
01-30-2004, 03:47 PM
I like there responce. It looks like i might have to plan a trip there next year only if it's a coaster worth going for.

slipknot8527
01-30-2004, 05:34 PM
One of a kind...

I have a gut feeling it will be a brand new B&M scream machine never seen before.....come on 4D!

THECHILLER
01-30-2004, 08:30 PM
How would they theme a 4D? Like, mad gorillas rolling and tumbing or something? Haha!

bk2004
01-30-2004, 09:06 PM
It is real.
Anyone who follows my posts in RRC knows how frustrated I am with "family rides."
Even if I took the screen shot of my inbox, you all would say it's photoshopped.
Did you click on the email link above?
Send an e-mail, and it won't bounce back. In fact, you may even get a response. I replied to the e-mail saying thanks for the lifeline. Try it, click on the link and send a little message saying Thanks for the Update and I'm looking forward to BGT in 2005.

Wasnt there a thread earlier that had a rumor of a new coaster at BGT and it was describeb just like this?

BGTKing
01-31-2004, 09:30 AM
The rumor has been around for quite a while.

bk2004
01-31-2004, 09:51 AM
Excatly, and everybody was like, NO! But now since that email has confermed that a new and thrilling coaster will be in 05, then everybody has looked the other way and has come to a conclusion of yes. Well what do ya know!

vidgms2
01-31-2004, 12:42 PM
Well whatever it is, it is going to be big, hopefully a TTD like.

Banjo4321
01-31-2004, 12:50 PM
WOW!!!.........i am really getting excited now.....can't wait to see what the future of BGT holds for us coaster seekers

rcrider666
01-31-2004, 12:53 PM
no i dont think its going to break ttd speed and height records

bk2004
01-31-2004, 02:43 PM
Me neither, I just think that it will be a shocker. It cant be from B&M if its gonna be a prototype. Unless they have something new. But if not them then who? Intamin, Vekoma?

Carowinds 73-03
01-31-2004, 04:30 PM
It won't come close to TTD. I'am guessing something from B&M around 200ft. My guess would be a custom floorless or flyer.

robvia
01-31-2004, 05:40 PM
What about a 4D from B&M?

It didn't take them long to perfect the flyer.
I don't hear any news about an S&S 4D.

I think B&M has a 4D up their sleve. If not for Busch, then it's gotta happen for CP soon.

TDMAMBA
01-31-2004, 05:46 PM
Im guessing a 4D from B&M or Hyper that they been needing from either Intamin B&M or Chance Morgan.

Cid
01-31-2004, 05:47 PM
if B&M were to make a 4D i doubt they'd make one of the magnitude that this ride seems to be. what was it like a 180ft drop. if and when another 4D is built i don't see it any taller than like 120ft.

also i doubt that BGT would get a floorless as sea world has one.

my vote goes for a custom flyer. i'll probably end up chaging that vote, but right now that seems the most likely in the florida market. flyers have a really good theme quality. BGT could do wonders themeing one.

TDMAMBA
01-31-2004, 06:14 PM
A flyer with a 180ft drop? I doubt that as seeing CP would probably pull off something like that for their next record breaking coaster. That's why Im bettin on a hyper.

bk2004
01-31-2004, 07:24 PM
A flyer going vertical? NO!
A floorless going vertical! MAYBE! But i doubt it!
4-D going vertical! YES And it has done so, and another 60 feet isnt anything to be doubting it about. I see this happeing. But the question is, B&M or Arrow. Maybe they have had enough time to work a lot of the kinks out of it, BGT is just waiting.

G-Farce
01-31-2004, 07:32 PM
Remember the rumored S&S launched 4Ds?
Vertical hills?
Seems promising.

bk2004
01-31-2004, 10:04 PM
Remember the rumored S&S launched 4Ds?
Vertical hills?
Seems promising.

So you are saying that this is going to be a S&S/Arrow launched 4-D? Arrow hasnt had a contract for anything since X, and why Busch for the first time, if this type of coaster at all?

twistytie
01-31-2004, 10:21 PM
Arrow went out of business, S&S bought it. So now it's all S&S.

A 4-D, period, would be awesome. I think I'd prefer a B&M, but a launched S&S 4-D could work. I'm just glad they're finally getting a new major coaster.

Knoxville
02-01-2004, 12:20 AM
If we a 4-d in Florida, I will be in heaven. I've been wanting to try X since it opened and if I have one 4 hrs away I will worship BGT.

G-Farce
02-01-2004, 03:40 PM
So you are saying that this is going to be a S&S/Arrow launched 4-D? Arrow hasnt had a contract for anything since X, and why Busch for the first time, if this type of coaster at all?

I'm just sating that I wouldn't put much hope in getting a B&M dive machine...and if it will have the rumored vertical drops...S&S seems like a good guess.
There were rumors that S&S had one one on the drawing board. In fact, I think there was an interview with a higher-up at S&S saying that it was a possibility.

bk2004
02-01-2004, 03:51 PM
No other B&M has gone vertical other then there dive machines, of course. Could it be possible for a looper (floorless, sitdown, ect.) to go vertical? I am sure that it could, but I was just wonderin.

G-Farce
02-01-2004, 04:07 PM
I'm sure they could...but it would probably have less cars per train. Every ride that has a verical drop is either launched or has short trains. I'm sure that there is a reason for that.

Riddler156
02-01-2004, 05:03 PM
X doesn't have short trains...

slipknot8527
02-02-2004, 02:11 AM
yah, what? That was a pretty weak statement G-Farce.

Volcano doesnt have short trains either...

BGTKing
02-02-2004, 08:06 PM
Dive machines have short trains so they can stop the train right before the drop and have all riders looking down.

Cuddy
02-02-2004, 09:11 PM
Wow, all this speculation, yet no official press release. Guess where this goes?? If you don't, I'm sure the U-Haul truck will give it away...

G-Farce
02-07-2004, 12:52 AM
I guess you are right...though I don't know where Volcano's vertical "drop" is.
It just seems that way. I mean Hypersonic's trains are short, both B&M dive machines' trains are short, Tower of Terror (http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1481.htm)'s trains are short and both Eurofighter's trains are short...one could see why deductive reasoning would lead one to believe that there must be a reason that few vertical drop coaster have had traditional coaster trains.

BGTKing
02-07-2004, 03:29 PM
It appears as if this thread made it to the top of Busch and to MSNBC.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4201623/
I also put together an article talking about the various pieces of evidence.
http://www.bgtguide.com/editorials/dive.php

robvia
02-08-2004, 09:15 PM
Right, it made Coaster buzz and other news sites, and they didn't mention my name.

I'm ROBERT VIANDS.

Hello.

And Coaster Buzz Banned me, yet I'm in the major news, without my name.

Hello, my name is ROBERT VIANDS.

And my letter has sparked the buzz of BGT.

Yeah, move the message and say it's fake. Yeah, go ahead. Doubt me.

IT'S REAL PEOPLE.

BGT IS DOING SOMETHING.

Once and for all, the

E-MAIL WAS FOR REAL. IT WASN'T FAKE. I STILL HAVE IT ON MY WORK COMPUTER.

I CAN PROVE IT.

THE E-MAIL IS REAL.

General Public
02-08-2004, 09:25 PM
HAY GUYS, the park confirmed it 2 me before teh official announcement!!111

robvia
02-08-2004, 09:25 PM
-----Original Message-----
From: Triscornia, Christian [mailto:Christian.Triscornia@BuschGardens.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:33 AM
To: robvia@aent.com
Subject: FW: No New Fun Rides


Dear Mrs. Viands:

Once more we want to thank you for contacting us. I spoke with our General Manager, and he informed me to enlighten you with some good news. You are going to be an extremely happy guest by 2005. The magnitude of this project in Busch Gardens Tampa Bay is definitely a first for roller coasters aficionados.

Thank you again and we are certain that your refrigerator will be full of Anheuser Busch products soon.

Sincerely,

Christian Y. Triscornia
Guest Relations Specialist
Busch Gardens Tampa Bay/ Adventure Island
P.O.Box 9158
Tampa, FL 33674
Phone 813-987-5885
Fax 813-987-5746
E-Mail Christian.Triscornia@BuschGardens.com


-----Original Message-----
From: robvia@aent.com [mailto:robvia@aent.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:36 PM
To: BGT Guest Relations
Subject: No New Fun Rides


The following was submitted to the A-B Parks Comment Form:

Title: Mr.
Name: Robert Viands
Email Address: robvia@aent.com
Country: USA
Parkemail: BGT.GuestRelations@BuschGardens.com
Comments: To the Suits way up high,

Please forward this message to them.

I recently wrote BGW and the message was forwarded to management.

Now I'm writing again to let you know I'm still not happy with your ride selection at BGW/BGT.

You (management) have decided to put in a "family" show at BGW and move a 7
year old wild maus coaster to BGT. What the heck are you thinking? Like
fans
won't know what you're doing?

I've tried to be nice, tried to be kind. but enough is enougn.

Here, I'll break it down for you from a coaster fans point of view.

I live in South Florida, drove up often, now, less.

Rhino Ralley sucked, the 2nd half of the ride doesn't even work now. Figured
that would be the end of the family ride crap. Waht do we get? A show,
Lighthouse 4d. I've seen it at BGW/ and BGT, no need to see it anymore.
Why
do I need to see it again when I've seen it twice. Do you understand? There's
not much re-ride potential in a movie. Now you're turning the Morocian
show
into something else and bringing a used 7 year old coaster in. LAME, BAD,
CHEAP.

I mean, what is it going to take until another Busch park on the east coast gets
a major fun ride?

Oh, here's the kicker that I want your suits way up high to know.

I'M NOT DRINKING BUSCH BEER ANYMORE. I'M TRYING OTHER BEERS NOW. I DID THE
UNTHINKABLE, I BOUGHT COORS LIGHT.

BEER SALES ARE TIED IN TO YOUR RIDE SELECTION AT THE PARKS.

I was a devoted Busch fan for years, thinking BGT and SWF sould build a fun ride if I drank Bud, but no, it didn't happen, so why should I drink Bud if you're
not going to build a coaster from B&M, or Intamin?

Do you get it?

Your lame choice in rides will make beer sales drop. Don't let this
happen.

Give me a ray of hope. Tell me you will build a B&M coaster within the
next
two years and I'll start drinking Bud again.

Please respond with a ray of hope. It's been too long for an east coast
Busch
park to go without a major fun ride.

Whatever it is in the building at BGW can't be a fun ride. It's a lame simulator or "Family Ride" that is slow, boring, and has no thrill factor.


Fans won't accept the wild maus coaster as a "thrill ride" it's a "kiddie ride."
You need to build the B&M speed coaster in the NW corner of the park.

Attendance at parks is dropping versus 2000 because of the family rides. It's
the wrong direction to go. Forget the lame family people. Bring back
coaster
wars.

I recently went skiing. Do ski parks say "No, we can't have Diamond
trails?"
NO. They advertise the "High Jumps of their half pipes and diamond trails." Why? Because that's what people want. Do they advertise the practice park? No.

Don't you get it.

The family ride crap is ruining attendance. Stop listening to the lame
family
people. There is already enough for them to see.

Build the fun rides. Noone talks about Lighthouse 4D in RRC. They talk
about
major coasters.

Thanks for reading.

General Public
02-08-2004, 09:29 PM
I will give you this: from the content of that letter, you are a top-notch enthusiASSt.

robvia
02-08-2004, 10:32 PM
I registered on CFB, and posted the text above.

They deleted the thread.

But it appears I'm not banned yet. Seems they don't want to get involved.

Oh, here's the MSNBC link in case you didn't see it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4201623/

I'll definately be writing BGT tomorrow.

General Public
02-08-2004, 10:48 PM
Oh great, can they expect more of your "u guys r such n00bs i know what ppl want" wit?

The fact that you were banned, had your thread deleted, and that you look like a total fool now isn't enough to convince you to just drop it and wait until the park makes an announcement?

Kraken
02-08-2004, 10:54 PM
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I paraphrased every post you made in this thread to make things more convenient.

Cuddy
02-09-2004, 12:26 AM
I don't generally stick my 2 cents in...

However, Rob, you are acting like a spoiled enthusiast. Stopping your consuming of Busch products in favor of _______ products is really hitting Busch where it counts. Actually it doesn't. Should the Busch parks wish to keep their family theme, all power to them. The only way you could possibly change this would be to go through the change in your couch and possibly buy the park or the chain. Then you could do what you wish with the park.

And the reason I moved this...am I the only one that does NOT see an official press release on this? All that we have seen is speculation.

Plus your comments in CAPS of the email being real and what not, its not that we doubt the validity of the email, but the manner in which you are trying to convey the truth to this.

Last, I like this quote from the MS"M"BC link so graciously provided twice:


"We're always looking at future new ideas, but any announcement would be way too premature."

robvia
02-09-2004, 03:07 AM
The reaction I have on messages boards and RRC is years of people saying,
"Your e-mails don't matter, parks don't listen, don't write, bla bla bla."

So when I see my words in a major news article, of coarse I'm going to flame back and say, "I told you so."

Web sites ask for rumors, something to read, content. Well, I got something, and of coarse, everyone doubts what I said was true, now I have proof. And it still isn't enough, that's why I get angry at everyone.

Oh, BTW, you'll see the article mentioned on the next screamscape update. Now I'm just wondering, if they said this...

"The centerpiece of the proposed expansion is a next-generation thrill ride described as a vertical dive coaster. Only two such rides exist, one in Taiwan and the other in the United Kingdom.

The Taiwan ride carries 16 riders straight down a 180-foot, near vertical -- 87.5 degree -- drop. The vehicles move along a 1,200-foot track at a top speed of 68 miles per hour before plummeting. "

I assume they're talking about the B&M one right, and not that smaller version. Gosh, I hope so, the other one looks like a souped up wild maus.

slipknot8527
02-09-2004, 05:59 AM
Rude or not, it's still pretty sweet that an official publishing recognized you.

Frank
02-09-2004, 08:14 AM
Your lame choice in rides will make beer sales drop. Don't let this happen.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Why don't you just stop bothering people with your cluelessness and stop making an even bigger fool out of yourself?

Really, if you write an email to a major corporation, and you start calling their rides "LAME" and "BAD", how can you expect to be taken serious?

leeloo1953
02-09-2004, 08:54 AM
^Agreed. As long as they keep making Busch beer, I'll keep buying it, no matter what they do as far as the park goes.

Also, why are "family" people lame?

robvia
02-09-2004, 11:48 AM
^Agreed. As long as they keep making Busch beer, I'll keep buying it, no matter what they do as far as the park goes.

Also, why are "family" people lame?

Because they say family rides are good, the suits hear it, and then don't build fun rides. There's been a draught in coasters since 2000, the numbers are decreasing each year, down to about 50 for 2004. Why? Because family people say things like, 'I think a Scooby Doo Dark ride is good." Instead of, "Build a 400 foot launched Intamin."

And worst of all, family people try to quiet thrill ride fans, by saying don't write to the parks, they won't listen, the parks know what they're doing. Then why is Paramount running a bunch of surveys?
Why are funs rides at the top of the lists?
What Paramount is doing is great, they're listening to the fans.

I mean, gosh, if everyone started writing e-mails, parks would build more fun rides. I don't know what suits are reading this board, but when I send an e-mail, I know there's a chance it will be read.

General Public
02-09-2004, 05:01 PM
Because they say family rides are good, the suits hear it, and then don't build fun rides. There's been a draught in coasters since 2000, the numbers are decreasing each year, down to about 50 for 2004. Why? Because family people say things like, 'I think a Scooby Doo Dark ride is good." Instead of, "Build a 400 foot launched Intamin."

There is no "drought" in rollercoasters, okay? When the economy slows down, pretty much everything slows down with it. Money is tighter, people travel less, then parks make less revenue, and they stop spending a lot of moeny on new rides. The industry will pick back up the future. You act like this is a permanent phenomena.


And worst of all, family people try to quiet thrill ride fans, by saying don't write to the parks, they won't listen, the parks know what they're doing. Then why is Paramount running a bunch of surveys?
Why are funs rides at the top of the lists?
What Paramount is doing is great, they're listening to the fans.

OH CRAP GUYS HE'S ON TO US ( :rolleyes: )


I mean, gosh, if everyone started writing e-mails, parks would build more fun rides. I don't know what suits are reading this board, but when I send an e-mail, I know there's a chance it will be read.

No. When they make more revnue, they will start building new rides.

Please be quiet, as it is obvious you are a spoiled enthusiast and a clueless one at that.

leeloo1953
02-09-2004, 06:28 PM
"Family" people try to quiet thrill ride fans, what the heck are you talking about?? Oh and "family" people say family rides are good?? DUH!!! Did it ever occur to you that if you have a family and maybe some young kids in that family, that "family" rides are good??!!

Geez, think about what you're saying!! If anyone on these boards question as to why I prefer to be part of the general public, rather than a "true enthusiat", robvia has just given you the answer.

General Public
02-09-2004, 09:52 PM
Oh BTW, Rob...

Not buying Busch beers will not affect the parks in any way. The parks are self-sustaining divisions of the parent company, (Busch). Good luck giving Budweiser a run for their money, though. :rolleyes:

robvia
02-09-2004, 10:12 PM
Please be quiet, as it is obvious you are a spoiled enthusiast and a clueless one at that.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Telling me to be quiet, spoiled, clueless? No, I'm a fun ride fan and proud of it.

It takes 5 years before things come back around. We're in the 4D movie, dark ride, water park phase right now. If I want to see a movie, I'll go to a movie theater. A water park, I'll go to the Rapids or Wet N' Wild. Family rides, go to Disney World.

This year, my big trip with the family is to Hershey. Their attendance will be up big time because of Storm Runner.

General Public
02-09-2004, 10:18 PM
Oh okay, so what you're saying is that your particular attendence habits are reflective of the nation as a whole? You're suggesting that BG's marketing/accounting/executives have no clue what they're doing? And you're suggesting that you're smarter than they are?

CASE CLOSED!

Andy_X69
02-10-2004, 01:02 AM
Family rides and fun rides are not mutually exclusive!

Some thrill rides can be boring as hell and some family rides can be remarkably thrilling.

Size and statistics do not make a ride better. Case in point: Nemesis at Alton Towers.

Admittedly, many family rides are terribly boring, but you do need to appeal to a wide range of people to make a successful amusement park. Building Gigacoasters all the time does not generate huge profits.

Next, the eqution of 'thrill' and 'fun' is incorrect. Many people find 'Thrill" rides quite traumatic!

Look, admittedly you have the right to ***** to a corporation, but expecting a montu on a bi-yearly cycle is unrealistic.

robvia
02-10-2004, 08:54 AM
Next, the eqution of 'thrill' and 'fun' is incorrect. Many people find 'Thrill" rides quite traumatic!

I started posting the word "fun ride" in RRC a couple years ago. Then I read an interview where Dick Kinsel used the term, saying the new rides at CP are fun rides. The term is replacing "thrill ride."
Why? Because Air was marketed as a thrill ride that would scare you to death. Guess what? The expected rush of people never happened, they we're scared to ride. AT had to come up with a new marketing campaign.
And the "lets go on the ride with a scaredy cat" segments on coaster shows are pathetic. They need to show people having fun, not being scared.
This way, more people will go on coasters, and major drop rides, and the suits will continue to build them.
It's not only wanting "fun rides", it's wanting big ones, that are not tamed down like the rides at DCA.

Magnum Robert
02-10-2004, 03:52 PM
The following was submitted to the A-B Parks Comment Form:

Title: Mr.
Name: Robert Viands
Email Address: robvia@aent.com
Country: USA
Parkemail: BGT.GuestRelations@BuschGardens.com
Comments: To the Suits way up high,

Please forward this message to them.

I recently wrote BGW and the message was forwarded to management.

Now I'm writing again to let you know I'm still not happy with your ride selection at BGW/BGT.

You (management) have decided to put in a "family" show at BGW and move a 7
year old wild maus coaster to BGT. What the heck are you thinking? Like
fans
won't know what you're doing?

I've tried to be nice, tried to be kind. but enough is enougn.

Here, I'll break it down for you from a coaster fans point of view.

I live in South Florida, drove up often, now, less.

Rhino Ralley sucked, the 2nd half of the ride doesn't even work now. Figured
that would be the end of the family ride crap. Waht do we get? A show,
Lighthouse 4d. I've seen it at BGW/ and BGT, no need to see it anymore.
Why
do I need to see it again when I've seen it twice. Do you understand? There's
not much re-ride potential in a movie. Now you're turning the Morocian
show
into something else and bringing a used 7 year old coaster in. LAME, BAD,
CHEAP.

I mean, what is it going to take until another Busch park on the east coast gets
a major fun ride?

Oh, here's the kicker that I want your suits way up high to know.

I'M NOT DRINKING BUSCH BEER ANYMORE. I'M TRYING OTHER BEERS NOW. I DID THE
UNTHINKABLE, I BOUGHT COORS LIGHT.

BEER SALES ARE TIED IN TO YOUR RIDE SELECTION AT THE PARKS.

I was a devoted Busch fan for years, thinking BGT and SWF sould build a fun ride if I drank Bud, but no, it didn't happen, so why should I drink Bud if you're
not going to build a coaster from B&M, or Intamin?

Do you get it?

Your lame choice in rides will make beer sales drop. Don't let this
happen.

Give me a ray of hope. Tell me you will build a B&M coaster within the
next
two years and I'll start drinking Bud again.

Please respond with a ray of hope. It's been too long for an east coast
Busch
park to go without a major fun ride.

Whatever it is in the building at BGW can't be a fun ride. It's a lame simulator or "Family Ride" that is slow, boring, and has no thrill factor.


Fans won't accept the wild maus coaster as a "thrill ride" it's a "kiddie ride."
You need to build the B&M speed coaster in the NW corner of the park.

Attendance at parks is dropping versus 2000 because of the family rides. It's
the wrong direction to go. Forget the lame family people. Bring back
coaster
wars.

I recently went skiing. Do ski parks say "No, we can't have Diamond
trails?"
NO. They advertise the "High Jumps of their half pipes and diamond trails." Why? Because that's what people want. Do they advertise the practice park? No.

Don't you get it.

The family ride crap is ruining attendance. Stop listening to the lame
family
people. There is already enough for them to see.

Build the fun rides. Noone talks about Lighthouse 4D in RRC. They talk
about
major coasters.

Thanks for reading.Whoa....that was about a 9 on the tension scale.

Though I'm sure management at BGW/BGT appreciates feedback, I'm sure they appreciate feedback stated with class and dignity even more. What's the saying? You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar??? Give that some thought.



Edit: oh, and proper grammar is also a plus!

runningjama
02-10-2004, 05:47 PM
So YOU'RE the one featured on the MSNBC article????

First, they do have some thrill rides. You seem to forget that Kumba, Montu, Python, Scorpion and Gwazi are still all great fun.

Your E-mail was very harsh. Very. Why didn't you suggest a flyer lol?

Family rides are fun. Parks do need some. BGTB is long overdue for a major coaster, yes.

I agree with you when you said that on TV they need to show happy people not scared. Coasters are more fun than scary to me, at least when you're on them.

General Public
02-10-2004, 06:18 PM
EXCUSE ME, BGT DIRECTORS, I AM A SINGLE ENTHUSIAST WHO MIGHT SPEND OVER ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS AT YOUR PARK PER YEAR AND I DEMAND A NEW THRILL RIDE OR I WILL NOT PATRONIZE YOUR BUSINESS!!!! THIS IS A PROMISE, NOT A THREAT!!!!

--Robvia


Dear Mr. Robvia,

o rly

--BTG

Seriously Rob, get over this illusion you have that you're going to singlehandedly get a new coaster. Why not try to enjoy what they have, or you could even--and I know this is pretty far fetched, so try and follow me closely--go to another park!

Or, just quit going on your spittle-emitting rants about how bad BGT has been to you. Either would work for the rest of us.

Homer
02-10-2004, 06:24 PM
Excuse Me, Bgt Directors, But I Am An Enthusiast And I Demand New Rides!!!!
Agreed! Cheetah Chase is a start, but they should get more flats like a Huss Frisbee and some S&S Towers. And a prototype B&M too!

twistytie
02-12-2004, 02:33 PM
Besides, one hundred dollars spent per year at a year-round park is a WHOLE LOT of moola. Come on robvia, next time, instead of trying to outdo the park's reply letter, maybe you should try writing something that is witty and not just stupid.

Magnum Robert
02-12-2004, 02:42 PM
EXCUSE ME, BGT DIRECTORS, I AM A SINGLE ENTHUSIAST WHO MIGHT SPEND OVER ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS AT YOUR PARK PER YEAR AND I DEMAND A NEW THRILL RIDE OR I WILL NOT PATRONIZE YOUR BUSINESS!!!! THIS IS A PROMISE, NOT A THREAT!!!!

--Robvia

Seriously Rob, get over this illusion you have that you're going to singlehandedly get a new coaster.
You forgot to mention the impact robvia will have on Busch as a result of no longer drinking Busch beer. Busch beer sales will plummet. The stock price will bottom out. No investors will touch Busch. Busch will file for bankruptcy and all b/c one lone coaster "enthusiast" didn't get a ride to his liking. What a shame. I guess I'll start investing in Coors!!

Knoxville
02-12-2004, 02:56 PM
So how about that coaster rumor guys? :rolleyes:

leeloo1953
02-12-2004, 04:54 PM
What rumor?? I got lost at the "lame family people"? I still want to know why if you have a family, you're considered lame by enthusiats? Just wondering?

Cuddy
02-12-2004, 05:15 PM
Let's get back to the rumored B&M Dive Machine, shall we? Any more comments towards Robvia can be done via PM or IM.

bk2004
02-12-2004, 07:36 PM
B&M Dive Machine, so thats what is it. I had no clue, but now I do. I am glad to here this since all of the dive machines now use none of the potential that could be used in the coaster. If the rumor is true, that yeah for Busch. They will actually build a coaster out of it instead of a drop-turn-brakes. :rolleyes:

robvia
02-15-2004, 06:11 PM
I'm proud of my comments and hold nothing back.

The "Fun Ride" vs. "Family Ride" battle is real. It's been going on for 3 years.

You all flame me, but face it, I'm here to entertain you all. I've already been banned, kicked to the curb. I've got nothing to lose.

The family ride people keep saying they want the lame rides. I won't have it anymore.

Earnhardt Jr just won the Daytona 500. Bud was on the car the entire race.

I hope Busch builds some fun rides.

Sheees. BGT is going to get the B&M Dive Machine in 2005. The writing is on the wall. I thought it was gonna be the speed coaster in the NW corner of the park, but no. Do you all realize they have a ton of land there? They're going to build the dive machine in StanleyVille looping thru the log flume?

Wow, nice job of using the land space and making the animals happy.

I guess they're holding the NW corner of the park for something big.

Oh, and I'm writing and e-mail to Trischa to see if she still has her job. I bet she got a raise because of the national article.

Now we gotta work on BGW for "REVENGE OF DRACHEN FIRE." Gosh, they gotta replace that coaster. The curse is real.

You people have it all wrong. The parks want media attention.

Sheees, they got a free article in a national publication, partly because of me.

Now, flame away. But have your words made it into a national article?

Nope. When you have the guts to do that, let me know.

The family people have "whipped" you all into being scare to tell your true feelings. You're scared to post what you really think.

Just step up and be "fun ride" fans and stop letting the "family people" whip you into submission. It's ok to want B&M coasters, instead of the scooby doo dark ride.

Riddler156
02-15-2004, 08:26 PM
How do you know for sure that it's going to be a dive machine?

Cuddy
02-15-2004, 08:37 PM
Rob, when you write all that, you are just asking to be flamed.

If you really know as much as you want us to believe, then take a position within the park so that your voice actually matters. I really don't know what the Daytona 500 has to do with this...

Here's what I truly think: If a park decides to go out and build enthusiast rides only, I'm not going. I want variety!!

robvia
02-15-2004, 08:42 PM
How do you know for sure that it's going to be a dive machine?The article has expired.

Basically, it said a new Diving Coaster would appear in the StanleyVille section of the park. It's going to loop thru the log flume ride. Busch builds B&M coasters. The article mentioned how the new coaster would hold 8 people in two rows. That's the same coaster as the one in the UK. The "first" is that this one will have a loop.



Rob, when you write all that, you are just asking to be flamed.

If you really know as much as you want us to believe, then take a position within the park so that your voice actually matters.
I'm not in the park, and not a member of any web site, or group.

I'm a fan who follows the coaster scene and reads all the gossip. I write parks and they write back.

The problem with the rumor scene is that "People who know can't tell."
because they're sworn to secreacy. Me? I'm just a fan. I want FUN RIDES at the Orlando parks, BGT, and BGW.

So when I wrote BGT and they wrote back, I posted the reply here, on CFB and e-mailed it to Screamscape. That's where it went national. The reporter did some inside research, got facts, and made a story using my reply as a quote. It was only a couple sentences in the article, but supported the rumor that

BGT WILL HAVE A DIVE MACHINE IN 2005.

General Public
02-15-2004, 09:42 PM
I didn't know that is was now park policy to keep all future ride information confidential except to some random person who e-mails them. Interesting.

Rob, for real... drop it dude. No one really cares that you've got nothing to lose. It just makes you seem like a desperate foaming-at-the-mouth coaster creep who has too much time on his hands.

I personally don't see a Dive Machine being built (now that going vertical isn't a big deal with standard coasters) but who knows? Yes... who does know? No one on these boards, for certain.

runningjama
02-15-2004, 10:18 PM
I just E-mailed BGTB, no offence, but it was more civilized than yours...much more. I'm hoping they reply...

Hulk
02-16-2004, 08:26 AM
whoa whoa.. what not I'ev been gone for awhile..whats this talk of a dive machine in stanlyville?

Magnum Robert
02-16-2004, 10:59 AM
But have your words made it into a national article?

Nope. When you have the guts to do that, let me know.
YES---so stop making assumptions and GET A CLUE!!!

I'm going to send a nice email to the same people you did and apologize for the embarassment you've caused. There's no excuse for your lack of judgement. I'll be sure to post my email in here.

As for the new Dive Machine---I'm taking a "wait and see approach" just like EVERYONE ELSE. Maybe I'll ask for confirmation in my email to BGW/BGT. I'm sure they'll reveal that info to me, b/c I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me.

You're not "entertaining", but rather just annoying. Stop thinking about yourself for a change and think of those who would benefit from the addition of a "family ride".

Philosopher Houston says it best "Things that are close to us assume exaggerated importance, while the rest we view with cold dispassion."

bk2004
02-16-2004, 05:34 PM
A Dive Machine with a loop?

Also, isnt B&M's Dive Machines have 6 or more people in a row. That would make 12 with too rows, not 8.

RCT & RCT2's Vertical Coaster has the capablities of a loop. Why did Chris Sawyer put it in there if it has not been built yet?

Cuddy
02-16-2004, 06:04 PM
B&M Dive Machines have 8 people across and 3 cars equalling 24 per train. I also am taking the "Wait for a press release" approach.

BGTKing
02-16-2004, 06:58 PM
BK, a lot of stuff is in RCT that has never been used. It's probably a very likely possibility that a dive machine will be built, however, Busch does not want to reveal at this time possibly because they have not received full approval this early.

runningjama
02-16-2004, 08:34 PM
Yes, wait and see is the best way to go about ANY rumor.

If BGTB decides to reply, I'll make sure you guys are the first to know the details!

trainguy83
02-16-2004, 08:53 PM
ok people heres what i personaly know from a friend that works for busch gardens and has talked to some of the people that would know as he put it.

theres a dive machine coming where everyone says it will be but they are not saying a word about it till later this year b/c they dont want any other parks to know about it and get one first b/c busch will have the only one in the u.s. and my friend also was told of a project called the 7 year expansion that will include a new enterances to the park and a new parking lot and a bunch of other things. now i do personally know that the parking lot rumors are true b/c busch just bought from the city of tampa the old fire station by busch gardens to use for a parking lot and some other things well people thats what i know oh and just as a side note no i dont agree with the way Rob handled it but give him a break hes just as crazy about thrillrides as the rest of us.
p.s. also the major rumor with that 7 year project is that 05 in stanyleville and in 07 we will see a new coaster over by montu so we can all start sitting on the edge of our coaster seats now. :D

Riddler156
02-16-2004, 08:57 PM
Dude I hope your friend is right...

Cuddy
02-16-2004, 09:06 PM
Pst, shrink that sig to 3 lines riddler.

Trainguy, what exactly does your friend do? We have plenty of CP employees on these boards, and not one of them knew what TTD was going to be, and even if they talked to those "in the know" they still would not have been told.

BGTKing
02-17-2004, 07:24 AM
Busch is not going to build a parking lot coaster... they are not Six Flags.

trainguy83
02-17-2004, 08:58 PM
did i say busch was building a parking lot coaster no i said a coaster by montu and who says that the parking lot by montu will stay a parking lot :-D...and my friend works as a ride op and has a friend who works security for the park and knows one of the upper muck a mucks thats how my friend got his info and i trust the people he's talked to:-D

General Public
02-17-2004, 09:01 PM
I DUNNO GUYS, HE HAS SOURCES!!

Riddler156
02-17-2004, 09:21 PM
Yeah, he has a friend who has a friend who has a friend...

Knoxville
02-17-2004, 10:02 PM
Trainguy, I will give you a dollar if you are right. :D I hope everyone one of the rumors comes true.

trainguy83
02-18-2004, 12:09 AM
how bout instead of a stinkin dollar you give me a berry clear sprite remix and yes i said berry clear not tropical and i know that the dive machine rumors are true :D

BGTKing
02-18-2004, 07:20 AM
Busch is obviously not going to use more of the Serengeti Plain at this time by building a ride in Stanleyville.

robvia
02-18-2004, 04:48 PM
I sent another e-mail to BGT asking if Christian was fired. We'll see. I wrote BGW last week asking for Drachen Fire's Revenge or DFR. They replied with a generic response of adding a new attraction each year, bla bla bla. They thank me for writing, they've never said to stop.

What do you people expect? Busch is in the beer business. They work with Nascar and other sports. So doncha think they're used to vocal fans?

You people are so whipped, you act like it's the opera. I've been waiting for BGT to build a new coaster, and they've been doing family stuff, so I'm gonna write and let them know I'm not happy. Over the years, I've found that when I write in a nice way, I get back a generic response. Yet look at the BGT letter. I was buzzed, ranted, and look what I got back? A real answer.

You people don't need to apologize for me. If anything, you should jump on the band wagon and start writing e-mails, asking for fun coasters, instead of shows.

Cuddy
02-18-2004, 05:03 PM
So one person's switch from Busch to Coor's Light will "wake up" those at the Busch parks? I highly doubt it. Second, Busch to Coors isn't all that big a change, both taste like crap.

Last, I think I will apply a temp lock on this. The arguing is overshadowing the rumor. I (or another MOD) will reopen this in a few days.

Last last, we aren't "whipped" into any way of thinking. By saying that, you have no respect for our opinions. Most of us are waiting for "Official Confirmation."