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Carowinds 73-03
02-06-2004, 09:27 AM
What kind of car do you drive? If you don't drive vote for what make you plan on getting or would like to have.

Skye
02-06-2004, 09:48 AM
i don't think many will have a porsche.

I don't really prefer a make more individual cars. theres no point in listing my car make because you won't have heard of it (it's French), they don't export to the USA.

Wes
02-06-2004, 09:56 AM
I have a VW Beetle (99)

EDIT:

Well since we're putting car histories, here's mine:

63 Ford Falcon (1st car, cost me $200) lol
91 Ford Escort GT

Also drove my dad's 67 Plymouth Satellite for a while.

Cid
02-06-2004, 10:01 AM
i'll list my entire history of cars.
88 plymouth horizon a.k.a. the event horizon
74 mercury montego mx, probably my favorite. thing was a boat, just a smidgin longer than a fullsize suburbun
97 toyota tacoma, my current car, i'm ready for a wrx though which hopefully will be my next car

hey skye i'm curious, list your car list your car! is it one of those cool little european hatchbacks?

Skye
02-06-2004, 10:17 AM
Yes!!!! But very un-american (it's tiny). But french cars are popular with young people because although the build quality is merely good they are cheap to fix and insure and have good a chassis (good fun to drive and fairly comfortable).

Actually the GTI's are conisdered classics like this 86-94 205 GTI:

http://www.sportsvogn.no/images/2002/rudskogen03082002/205-gti.jpg

It's a standard 205 hatch with a 1.9 litre (fast in those days remember) some body kit and alloys and suspension mods. This is actually a modern classic and good ones fetch 2500+ still. It only wiehgs about 850kg remember also.

The replacement is a bit dull though: (206 GTI 98-present)

http://www.icetronix.com/images/johns2062large.jpg


Still i would buy one if i could insure it (they have 180BHP now).


Anyway i got the smaller (and it can only really carry people under 4ft tall in the back for any distance) 106 a bit like this but without some of the side body kit.

http://www.angelfire.com/co/948041/images/pics/106GTI2.jpg

edh101985
02-06-2004, 01:59 PM
I drive a 2000 Ford Mustang Convertible (Not a GT). When I go to college, I want to get a motorcycle if I cant take my Mustang.

Byron
02-06-2004, 03:01 PM
I drive a 2000 Ford Mustang Convertible (Not a GT). When I go to college, I want to get a motorcycle if I cant take my Mustang.

I just have to ask this...is it red?

Coastr Crazy 72
02-06-2004, 03:40 PM
You should have the Mods edit this so you can vote for more then 1. I realize you can only drive 1 car at a time but some people drive more then 1 like I will be doing.

I will be driving a BMW X5 for the most part and if my dad is fealing nice he will let me drive his Benz S500.

Carowinds 73-03
02-06-2004, 04:25 PM
I forgot myself. I have a 2003 Ford Focus. Before that was my first car ever. It was a 2000 focus.

coasetrphil
02-06-2004, 04:37 PM
I will be driving a bronze colored 99' Ford Taurus SE when I get my licence late this year.

jimmycoasterman
02-06-2004, 04:42 PM
I will be driving a bronze colored 99' Ford Taurus SE when I get my licsence late this year.

Bimmer has his license. coasterphil is getting his license later this year. Damn, I'm sure glad I don't live in Marietta. Oh shi

BimmerZ3
02-06-2004, 05:27 PM
I drive a 99 Honda Accord 2 door with a 5 speed manual transmission.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/p70b3475046627d0669171f67a04d2fee/f9eb32f8.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/p4ae6365fb6a359aa9e94601d91ad3434/f9eb34b0.jpg

coasetrphil
02-06-2004, 05:29 PM
Bimmer's car is infinitely cooler than mine, according to him. My will just get me from place to place.


*Edit* This is what my "crappy" car looks like.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=150428669&dealer_id=81911&car_year=1998&make=FORD&distance=25&max_price=&model=TAURUS&advcd_on=n&end_year=1999&min_price=&first_record=26&address=60025&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1996&=&color=&cardist=12

birdie311
02-06-2004, 05:58 PM
I drive a '92 BMW 325i. Here's a pic of it after a nice little snow. That explains why it's dirty as hell. Plus I'm lazy and don't feel like washing it during the winter. http://www.bmwboard.com/gallery/data/501/15AUT_0259-med.JPG?3825

Mods, I have permission to use this photo off that site.

edh101985
02-06-2004, 06:05 PM
I just have to ask this...is it red?

Its Silver

BTW, we do have a red 1968 Shelby GT-500. It will hopefully be mine if I can ever pry the keys out of my dads hands........ http://www.theguildofautomotiverestorers.com/1968_shelby_gt500.html

Cuddy
02-06-2004, 06:22 PM
I drive an '03 Saturn Ion3. I seem to remember this a repeat, but couldn't find anything recently...

I started on an '85 Ford Escort, '91 Pontiac Transport mini-van, '96 Saturn SL1, drive once a '97 Saturn SL2, and currently my '03 Saturn Ion.

leeloo1953
02-06-2004, 07:06 PM
Well, here's my car history...

68 Toyota Corona
69 Ford Mustang
73 Plymouth Duster
76 Mercury Capri
83 Toyota Celica Supra
91 Chevy Station Wagon
99 Dodge Grand Caravan SE

Someday, I will have another 60's Mustang!!

Kyle L
02-06-2004, 07:13 PM
I have a Foes :p

Actually I'll be getting a Toyota Tundra or Tacoma sometime soon.

edh101985
02-06-2004, 07:18 PM
Whoa....... its weird that I edited my post about my dads old mustang almost exactly the same time Leeloo posted about having a Mustang 1 year apart. What color was it? And was it a convertable?

BTW, I finally found a car that made my jaw drop. http://nationalvehicles.com/viewlisting.php?listing_id=21005

I think it is $900,000.

leeloo1953
02-06-2004, 07:59 PM
^It was black and yes it was a convertable, Mustang convertables are the best!

coastersrsweet
02-06-2004, 08:22 PM
i don't think many will have a porsche.

I don't really prefer a make more individual cars. theres no point in listing my car make because you won't have heard of it (it's French), they don't export to the USA.

/me plans on getting a Porsche.

Coastr Crazy 72
02-06-2004, 08:45 PM
BTW, I finally found a car that made my jaw drop. http://nationalvehicles.com/viewlisting.php?listing_id=21005

Reminds me of the Pagoni Zonda, except much more faster. That is one hell of a car though.

Cid
02-06-2004, 09:00 PM
yes! i found a picture of my "boat" say hello to my 1974 mercury montego mx. 351 cleveland v8, bout 250 some odd horsepower, just over 4000lbs, and about 20ft long. also the first picture of yours truly on TN.

you can also see my tacoma two cars down

i miss my boat :(

and i'm about 5'11, i could also lay on the width of the hood without hanging off either side haha

LoCoSuMo
02-06-2004, 09:52 PM
I drive a Black 97 Ford Taurus. It's basically CoasterPhil's with a different looking back end. It's sorta crappy, I have an exhaust leak and my dad has yet to fix it, and it has over 100,000 on it, but it gets me places and still runs pretty well.

Knoxville
02-06-2004, 11:24 PM
I drive a 1987 Chevy K-5 Blazer.

http://www.oznium.com/albums/album30/blazer_038.sized.jpg

The thing I like most about my truck is that you'll always know its me because nobody else's looks the same. :)

Skeeber
02-07-2004, 12:40 AM
My car two years ago: http://www.pbase.com/image/9990128

Bone stock (besides K&N filter) '95 Ford Contour. 2.5L V6 180hp. Nothing spectacular, but it runs, and gets me where I need to go, and it's the first car I've owned myself.

Drewbie
02-07-2004, 12:47 AM
I'm quite dissapointed that Toyota didn't make it onto your list.

Anyways, my first car was an '88 Olds Cutlass Supreme. I drove that til it died, bless it's heart. I then got my new "er" car. I'm now driving a '95 Toyota Avalon and it'd be hard to go back to anything less. My car's got 210,000 and going strong. I hoping to buy something newer towards the end of summer.

Aaron
02-07-2004, 12:48 AM
Although I don't drive yet, I would want to get any kind of hybrid Japanese car, like a Toyota Prius. I have a friend who has one, she says she hasn't had any maintenance problems with it, they run great, plus, of course, it gets excellent fuel economy. It is Toyota that makes the Prius, right?

Tim
02-07-2004, 12:56 AM
Seeing how you left off EVERY Japanese car manufacturer, I have added the big 4 to the list.

Cid
02-07-2004, 12:57 AM
yup, the 2004 is even more efficient than the 2002 hybrid they had out. not only that but its quicker too. i recently read an article on it. i'm very impressed with the technology put into the car, but they seem like so much extra work.

Drewbie
02-07-2004, 12:58 AM
Seeing how you left off EVERY Japanese car manufacturer, I have added the big 4 to the list.

Sure, now that I already voted for other.

BimmerZ3
02-07-2004, 10:28 AM
Although I don't drive yet, I would want to get any kind of hybrid Japanese car, like a Toyota Prius. I have a friend who has one, she says she hasn't had any maintenance problems with it, they run great, plus, of course, it gets excellent fuel economy. It is Toyota that makes the Prius, right?
Yeah, Toyota does make the Prius. If I had $20,000 to spend on a car, I'd definately consiter it along with several other cars. But it's actually really practical... roomy interior... lots of cargo... etc.

cedarpointfreak
02-07-2004, 10:36 AM
I have a '96 pontiac grand am, hopefully ill be getting a mustang though

Carowinds 73-03
02-07-2004, 12:01 PM
Seeing how you left off EVERY Japanese car manufacturer, I have added the big 4 to the list.

Sorry about that. I guess i forgot about those. I don't know why though but thanks.

Skye
02-07-2004, 12:34 PM
Yeah, Toyota does make the Prius. If I had $20,000 to spend on a car, I'd definately consiter it along with several other cars. But it's actually really practical... roomy interior... lots of cargo... etc.


Although it dosn't apply to the prius so much, electric cars actually can have good accleration and overtaking power, if the electric motors boost the petrol power when you put your foot down (overtaking), because electric motors have maximum torque at 0 rpm, unlike combustion engines. The GM electric car did 0-60 in something like 8.5 seconds - not bad considering it's huge weight.


It's interesting that hybrids aren't popular here (well, compared to the us anyway) becausee high-tech Diesels designed for europe are sometimes MORE fuel efficient than hybrids. For now, hybrids probably won't make a big impact in europe, becasue diesel is much simpler technology and matches the fuel comsumption of current hybrids.

Only problem is, diesel of course produces heavy pollution (heavy particles and lots of Nox that cause smog) but hybrids are cleaner.

Gas (no, not petrol "gas", i mean LPG/CNG - butane/propane/methane mix's) and diesel will probably sell well until hydrogen power is affordable. Hybrids* are a novelty really, and only offer anything over diesel in cities (but then LPG and CNG are cleaner than petrol, and much cheaper to buy than a hybrid. Since most LPG/CNG cars are dual fuel^ gas/petrol, and can be converted easily and cheaply, they are likely to be encouraged in cities. (like london they are free of extra road tax)).

* assuming a petrol/electric hybrid

^ Dual fuel is not a hybrid - one fule or the other is used at any one time, not both together.


That was a bit off topic but maybe someone will read it!!!

Cid
02-07-2004, 01:48 PM
with the recently refined prius it does put down impressive numbers against the rest of the hybrid crowd, but it is also unrelaible and hitting these numbers everytime. the way the motors work together can drastically effect how fast the car accelerates everytime. along with that the car is very hard to maintain at a constant speed because of power shifting back fowarth between the motors. car and driver says cruise control becomes your new best friend.
finally the brakes have gone to similar electrically controlled braking proccess found on my friend mercedes SL. though benefitial at lowering stopping distances. in becomes a hassle in stop and go traffic as the brakes try to anticipate what the driver wants them to do, and in the case of stop and go traffic, make stopping ackward.

all that along with a "cheap sounding irreplacable stereo" are just a few negatives to considerabout the toyota prius...


what topic is this...oh yeah, uh i drive a toyota tacoma...a red one, yeah

Skye
02-08-2004, 06:37 PM
does the prius have regenerative braking?

That might explain the brakes.

Electric power is useful in town. I hate town driving (stop/start) because you are slipping the clutch almost constantly - you can almost feel it wearing out.Well not a problem if you have an auto since that has a fluid clutch but the pressure plates on a manual wear fast when slipped too often.

coaster9freak
02-08-2004, 06:48 PM
i don't think many will have a porsche.

My dad and brother both have Porsches while I have a Mazda...Tim forgot to add Mazda to the list though when he added the four "big ones." Way to go Timmy boy! :)

pyro
02-08-2004, 11:38 PM
I have a 97 dodge neon. It's been really good for me, it has over 115,000 miles on it. Every so often my parents did let me drive their 96 mustang convertable, it wasn't a gt, but it was great. Much more power than my neon, hehe.

Jokercoaster
02-09-2004, 12:17 AM
My car is a silver 1989 Buick Century. Cost me 1000, plus I spent 200 installing a cd player in it, not bad considering I'm only gonna need it for one year.

whirl n hurl
02-09-2004, 01:15 PM
I have a 2002 eclipse gs--it's the really bright blue and I love it.

GAcoasterguy
02-09-2004, 01:28 PM
My first car- 1979 Honda Prelude (Bought with 114k miles, sold to my brother with 256k miles)
Second- 1985 Honda Prelude (Only had it a year...dual carbs kept getting out of synch)
Third- 1986 Honda Prelude (bought from my Mom with 175k, traded in with 258k)
Fourth (first new car) 1999 Saturn SL2 (traded in May with 128k)
Now- 2003 Saturn VUE-- Iv'e already put 22k on it from all my park trips, and I only got it in May!--oh, it's green, and outfitted just like the one on the commercial where the guy swings on the rope swing and bounces off the dent resitant panels.

BimmerZ3
02-09-2004, 05:27 PM
Preludes are awesome cars. My uncle has one with over 230k miles. They last forever man. They should start making Preludes again. The Civic Si just doesn't cut it. Nevermind the fact that it's only a hatch back. :sick:

Cid
02-09-2004, 05:41 PM
i think honda will bring it back when they realize what they're missing in the 350z and rx-8 class. those things seem to be selling like crazy.

Magnum Robert
02-11-2004, 01:01 AM
currently:

1999 Nissan Altima (new)

Previously:

1987 Subaru wagon
1988 Nissan Sentra
1991 Acura Integra (that lasted an entire 6 days)
1991 Acura Integra (this one lasted much longer)
1997 Toyota Camry (new)

Zagreus
02-11-2004, 03:21 PM
I'll stick with my Ranger pick up but I do miss my 95 Camaro....

not_so_normal87
02-15-2004, 09:41 PM
I have my license, but no car... but I wanna get a Mustang, it's the only car I've ever wanted... my brother has an '84 L, it's one of the most rare mustangs out there. hopefully I'll get one soon!!

Skye
02-16-2004, 03:46 AM
i think honda will bring it back when they realize what they're missing in the 350z and rx-8 class. those things seem to be selling like crazy.

The Rx-8 has barely enough power and the lack of torque isn't very good. Shame because it would be a much better car otherwise.

Cid
02-16-2004, 05:07 AM
but! mazdaspeed's rx-8 is just a few short months away. granted only a slight power gain, it comes with track ready suspension, better power application, and a spoiler!!! haha couldn't resist the spoiler.

the optimist hopes that the sportier suspension and power band is for a supercharged model down the line haha. i also found the hydrogen rx-8 to be quite intriguing though i think its just in concept phase right now. still an interesting approach to better gas mileage. i'll post a short explanation of it tomorrow probably, its sleepy time in charlotte.

RJONES
02-17-2004, 09:29 PM
Ive got a 2004 Nissan SE-R Sentra, not bad for a first car ;). But on the weekends, i usually get to drive my dads 2004 350Z.

Skye
02-20-2004, 01:22 PM
The rotary engine seems to have limitations.

If by hydrogen you mean electric well it might be ok but not as good as the petrol. It won't be that fast.

The lack of torque is a problem though, i think it would anoy me, it's something like 156 lb/ft@ 8000rpm. Ok the engines designed to rev that high but thats still not good for a performance car. Not surprising the fuel consumption is so bad.

Amy
02-20-2004, 02:36 PM
I have a 2001 Hyundai Tiburon. Yes, it's a Hyundai, but it's cute and little, curvy, two door, silver, power everything with a cd player...I think it's a pretty good first car.

It hasn't given me any problems yet, and I've had it for about two years now. Got a great deal on it.

Skye
02-21-2004, 01:03 PM
[QUOTE=Amy] it's cute and little, curvy [QUOTE/]

This is what's really important.

raser
02-21-2004, 01:34 PM
Skye, is your car a Peugot? If it is then they do sell cars here in the U.S., not very many but a few... My list of cars are
1. 1978 AMC Gremlin
2. 1982 Toyota Cellica GT
3. 1985 Chevrolet Citation X11
4. 1989 Pontiac 6000 LE
5. 1990 Nissan Sentra XE
6. 1988 Chevrolet Corsica
7. 1988 Plymouth Voyager
8. 1996 Toyota Corrolla DX
9. 1993 Dodge Caravan LE
10. 1994 Ford Explorer
Sounds like alot of vehicles but my wife is very undecisive on the vehicles she drives and has some bad luck with accidents ie the deer she hit last fall...

Cid
02-21-2004, 06:12 PM
oh man, my explanation!!!

hydrogen RX-8. this is my generic understanding of it after readin the article about it in the latest issue of road and track.

the great thing about it is there is no loss in power. it has the exact same engine as the regular RX-8, with a twist and some good computer controlling. so unfortunatly the price will go up. the brilliance in it though. for around town driving, you flip this switch and it cuts the power the car is putting out by half. suddenly the rx-8 turns into a zero-emision, around town gas saver. all that comes out of the exhaust is water vapors.

as i said before, your still getting the same engine, so fitting the hydrogen element into is the tricky part. under the engine bay isn't that big of a problem as the only thing that needs to be there is some extra pipes and tubing (i'm assuming). but somewhere on the car you need a tank to hold the hydrogen. my personal assumption is it will probably end up near or in the trunk, reducing trunk space further, but hey you got a back seat to throw all your stuff.

thats pretty much what i attained from the article. sounds like this could just be few years down the road japan, but probably a bit longer for the US. i myself think its an excellent approach to the fuel effcient class, and out of any of the hybrid cars i've seen, i'd probably get the rx8.

Alex T
02-21-2004, 09:50 PM
ML320. I've had it since last February.

Skye
02-27-2004, 06:52 AM
I don't think they would burn the hydrogen in the rotary engine.

A hydrogen rx-8 wouldn't have a rotary engine just a hydrogen tank a catalyst and electric motors. I don't think we'll see a petrol/hydrogen hybrid.

I'm surprised peugeot bother selling cars there, the biggest cars are the 607 and 406 the others are too small for the us probably although the 307..........

http://www.cwn.org.uk/motoring/peugeot/images/peugeot-307-w400.jpg

..........is a focus rival.

Kyle L
08-29-2004, 11:07 PM
I recently purchased a new 4Runner for myself:

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/1365/KL4Runner.jpg

It's a 1994 Toyota 4Runner
V6 4 Wheel Drive
Automatic
SR5
It's the full blown package.

I recently did some work to it, adding new tires, replacing oil filters, draining the old oil, adding new, replacing air filter, and finally getting the suspension and turning joins re-tuned and completley perfect.

Also, this picture below is of me standing tall over my beast....even though its still taller than me by far margins.

Carowinds 73-03
08-29-2004, 11:24 PM
Thats one sweet looking truck. I would persoanlly love to buy an suv but with as much as i travel and with gas prices there is no way i could afford it. In about 2-3 days i will be replacing my 2003 Ford Focus with a 2005 Ford Focus. Great little cars. I can make it to the ohio border before stopping for gas.

BimmerZ3
08-29-2004, 11:59 PM
I don't think they would burn the hydrogen in the rotary engine.

A hydrogen rx-8 wouldn't have a rotary engine just a hydrogen tank a catalyst and electric motors. I don't think we'll see a petrol/hydrogen hybrid.

I'm surprised peugeot bother selling cars there, the biggest cars are the 607 and 406 the others are too small for the us probably although the 307..........

http://www.cwn.org.uk/motoring/peugeot/images/peugeot-307-w400.jpg

..........is a focus rival.They don't sell them here anymore. I don't think they have for a very long time either.

slipknot8527
08-30-2004, 08:41 AM
I drove a 91 Integra for a year.....it had 264,000 miles and I beat the poor little car to death. Apparently, cars need "oil" and "attention."

I now drive a 98 Supercharged T-Bird.

MaGnUmKeLly
08-30-2004, 09:43 PM
89 Geo Metro
94 Chevy Camaro
97 Chevy Caviler
93 Chevy Caviler
For now.

Matt M
08-30-2004, 09:58 PM
92 Suburban, usual winner of the "bigger car" right of way battles.

Wes
11-15-2004, 04:41 PM
I found a pic of an almost duplicate of my car in High School

63 Red Ford Falcon

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6232&item=4503626041&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW#ebayphotohosting

SFFT_Freak
11-15-2004, 04:43 PM
Why isn't Volvo in the poll?

Draculus
11-15-2004, 04:58 PM
I'm getting my license on December 31st. My dad and I are looking into getting a new '05 Fiat Punto, straight from Italy. The only reason we're doing this is because of gas mileage. It's a diesel car, but it averages more than 35 miles per gallon. With the way gas is right now, it's best to try and save as much I can. Especially since insurance is going to be ridiculously high. Here's some pics of what it looks like:

http://www.fiat.it/FIAT_ITALIA/uploads/PB_TMPL_SHOWROOM/1073900521/20040209/pic_2_big.jpg
http://www.fiat.it/FIAT_ITALIA/uploads/PB_TMPL_SHOWROOM/1073900521/20040209/pic_1_big.jpg
http://www.fiat.it/FIAT_ITALIA/uploads/PB_TMPL_SHOWROOM/1073900521/20040209/pic_3_big.jpg
http://www.fiat.it/FIAT_ITALIA/uploads/PB_TMPL_SHOWROOM/1073900521/20040209/pic_4_big.jpg

Skye
11-15-2004, 05:00 PM
Why isn't Volvo in the poll?


becasue they are too cool.




I'm getting my license on December 31st. My dad and I are looking into getting a new '05 Fiat Punto, straight from Italy. The only reason we're doing this is because of gas mileage. It's a diesel car, but it averages more than 35 miles per gallon. With the way gas is right now, it's best to try and save as much I can. Especially since insurance is going to be ridiculously high. Here's some pics of what it looks like:



The punto has one of the latest hi-tech diesel engines (they are the latest common rail type, designed in the last 5 years or so) it should get nearer 55mpg. Its a good looking car, but its very near been replaced and there are much better european rivals. A good-ish choice but not known for its build qualilty.

For something a bit more stlylish i would get a peugeot 206 Hdi. Again this is very near replacement - in the next 18months, but if you must have a car now.......This is a french company. They also have very modern hi-tech diesels- same common rail engines. This car went on sale in 1998 though (punto 1999) so don't expect the absoulte best refinment from a small car (although its very good). This is the best selling car in the uk.

http://www.arabam.com/fuar/2002/paris/peugeot_206rc_xx.jpg



You could have an american-built-for-europe-car which are slightly better qualitly but very very bland (the GM small car is been replaced soon - it shares its chassis with the next gen punto).

For the ultimate 'gas' milage buy a citreon C2 1.4HDI (peugeot owns citreon - similar engines). Its a bit smaller but your'll get 67mpg out of the diesel - the most econmonical car on sale here. Don't look too bad either:

http://www.citroen.mb.ca/citroenet/geneva2004/large/c2-2.jpg



Ask me before you buy!!!! i know a lot about cars, and living in europe all the european cars to buy too.

I would have thought this would cost you a fortune in import costs and taxes, but its a good decesion - your'll pay more but your get a much better car (we are much more demanding on refinment and running costs) and better than that something unique that get you attention.

Leo C
11-15-2004, 05:15 PM
My first car was a 1993 sand colored Nissan Sentra XE.
I currently operate a 1995 Honda Civic Sedan EX.
I love the moon roof.

Skye
11-15-2004, 06:24 PM
moon roof?

jimmycoasterman
11-15-2004, 06:35 PM
I'm mostly driving my dad's '98 Honda Accord, an automatic, light blue/silver color. Its good enough for me, and considering that we got it used, its in fantastic shape.

However, I do hope my dad's car isn't here, so I can drive this monster:
http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/images.jtmpl?car_id=165265477&dealer_id=568114&cardist=667&&make=OLDS&address=30068&search_type=used&model=SILHO&max_price=&min_price=&start_year=1998&end_year=2000&car_year=1998&distance=any&advcd_on=n&advanced=n&color=&first_record=1&

Yeah, you heard me right, power sliding door.

SFOG Freak
11-15-2004, 06:37 PM
Thats one mad van dude. Nice....nice.

Skye
11-15-2004, 06:41 PM
its a van.

Montu Man
11-15-2004, 06:42 PM
Where's some ov the manufacturers from the VW group (VW,Audi,Lamborghini)? European cars rule! I wanna drive either an Audi S4, of VW Jetta (they are nearly identicle).

SFOG Freak
11-15-2004, 06:49 PM
its a van.
I was joking.

Anyway, I drive my moms GMC Yukon. I don't have my liscense yet, but my mom recently payed it off and bought a new car. So, she just gave it to me pretty much.

So much for a Dodge Viper.. :(

Wes
11-15-2004, 06:53 PM
moon roof?

Basically the same thing as a sunroof.

Don't know why people ever started calling them moon roofs anyway.

Skye
11-15-2004, 07:00 PM
someone probably thought that was funny.

the jetta (called a bora here) dosn't have anything like as much power as the s4.

Ta2KX
11-15-2004, 08:52 PM
I don't own a car yet so I have to share amongst a red 2001 Grand Prix SE, black 2002 Grand Prix SE, and a black 1999 Ram Sport.
Depending on how much the rest of the family will need the black Grand Prix and how much my dad will be asking for me to buy it off of him, I might own that in the spring, or I will take all my money and get a 2001 Monte Carlo or an Impala LS.

Skye
11-16-2004, 07:12 AM
Your family likes that car then? black cars are a hassle though they fade quickly (though red is just as bad) and look dirty all the time.

Wes
11-16-2004, 07:59 AM
Actually red is not as bas as it used to be. They've gotten a "fade proof" red on the newer cars. My Beetle is 5 years old and hasn't faded a bit.

Skye
11-16-2004, 03:11 PM
true my black was 14 years old (i no longer have it)but i've seen much younger cars suffer from the same problems.

Cephas
11-16-2004, 05:06 PM
I"M GONNA GET AN SUV AND WASTE MY MONEY ON GAS, POLLUTE THE ATMOSPHERE, AND GIVE THE PEOPLE NEXT TO ME A HARD TIME PULLING OUT OF PARKING SPOTS!!! I'll also look really good parked in front of wall-mart with my "W 04'" sticker on the back!

Anyway, I really do wanna get a prius or a Civic hybrid.

Skye
11-16-2004, 05:26 PM
Don't forget those 22" chrome wheels. You need to show people you have an SUV and don't use it off road ever.

coaster_kid89
11-16-2004, 05:53 PM
^EDIT: I am going to get a bigger car with 4x4 so that I can do my trips into the mountains safely. Also I will use this car to pull my trailor and help me move.

LMAO, a hybrid, proven rip offs.

Well my family has a Crown Vic(sport) and a Yukon.

Skye
11-16-2004, 06:05 PM
your 15 and have a car?

CPdude05
11-16-2004, 06:11 PM
Don't forget those 22" chrome wheels. You need to show people you have an SUV and don't use it off road ever.

22's? Dawg, you need to be rollin on some 24" spinnas man.

I would want a sooped up civic with a TTD spoiler on it, lol. But I won't have one of those bus mufflers on it. Those sound terrible.

Matt M
11-16-2004, 06:53 PM
your 15 and have a car?

This is common amoung people with money. I don't actually own the Suburban, I borrow it from my parents.

Thrill Rider
11-16-2004, 07:00 PM
I drive a red '96 Honda Prelude. It has unbelievable reliability, awesome gas mileage, and for a four cylinder, it has some nice get-up-and-go. Unfortunately, it only seats 2 people comfortably, but it gets the job done.

Past cars:

'84 Ford Tempo
'92 Ford Thunderbird
'89 Honda Accord

coasetrphil
11-16-2004, 07:12 PM
This is common amoung people with money. I don't actually own the Suburban, I borrow it from my parents.
Or one of the parents doesn't want their old car anymore so they give it to their kid and buy a new one. I know that my dad is giving me his car once I get a license because he would only get around 1,500 if he traded it in.

Wes
11-16-2004, 08:44 PM
I"M GONNA GET AN SUV AND WASTE MY MONEY ON GAS, POLLUTE THE ATMOSPHERE, AND GIVE THE PEOPLE NEXT TO ME A HARD TIME PULLING OUT OF PARKING SPOTS!!! I'll also look really good parked in front of wall-mart with my "W 04'" sticker on the back!

Anyway, I really do wanna get a prius or a Civic hybrid.

What? A fuel-effecient car? How dare you! lol

Actually my car is very effecient as well. I drove my Beetle to Tampa and only used like 1.25 tanks. 45mpg.

Not bad, and it's not even a hybrid! Those Germans... :D

Skye
11-17-2004, 11:34 AM
that isn't bad its surprising though they have little engines but they are very very old designs. Theres a huge difference between engines made now and engines 5 years ago, never mind 30 years ago!!!

Those beetles are surprisingly fast, i was tailgated earlier on the motorway by one and that was at 70mph. I didn't know they could even go that fast, i'm sure it must have been modified (atlhough the body was original). My car isn't exactly slow and it zoomed off into the distance when i moved over.

Wes
11-17-2004, 11:41 AM
The fastest I've had mine is 90mph on the interstate. Mine isn't even a turbo.

It's a fun car. Got a great stereo system too :)

Only problem I've had in 4 years was the A/C compressor went out on it. Of course the warranty had already ran out. :kraken:

Skye
11-17-2004, 11:49 AM
turbo isn't anything to do with it. All diesels have a turbo (or two) but they aren't fast.

a.c compresser bet that was expensive........

Wes
11-17-2004, 11:53 AM
Mines gas, not diesel.

Yeah the compressor installed was like $350 I think.

Skye
11-17-2004, 02:03 PM
i know but was just making the point turbo does not mean its fast.

A smart car has a turbo dosn't it and thats about as fast as a truck.

Macyismydog5
11-18-2004, 05:44 PM
I don't get a car for 3 years, but I'm dreaming of a 1970 dodge charger hardtop, 383 or 426 hemi, all black. Like thats ever going to happen. Mopar or no car.

Dan G
11-18-2004, 05:55 PM
Even though I don't get my "permit" till next October, I do plan on getting a used RX8 or some other car...Hopefully they'll be some nice looking cars out for the 2006 models.

Marcus
11-18-2004, 07:34 PM
I just bought a 1998 Chevy Camaro with 23000 miles. Then I put on a SS Hood and Spoiler for style.

Byron
11-18-2004, 08:19 PM
Too bad it's still slow....although I guess Camaros are okay in stock form....

MilhouseTheKing
11-19-2004, 07:23 PM
1994 GMC safari soccer mom van....hell yeah.

Seriously, i'le post pictures of it later.

Skye
11-22-2004, 04:21 PM
can't wait

Brian F
03-14-2005, 10:08 AM
I"M GONNA GET AN SUV AND WASTE MY MONEY ON GAS, POLLUTE THE ATMOSPHERE, AND GIVE THE PEOPLE NEXT TO ME A HARD TIME PULLING OUT OF PARKING SPOTS!!! I'll also look really good parked in front of wall-mart with my "W 04'" sticker on the back!

Consider yourself lucky that you live in a free country where you can decide for yourself what you want to drive. There are some fascists in this country that think THEY should decide what everyone gets to drive.

Oh wait, you ARE one of those fascists.

I have a '96 F150 4X4, and the wife has a '01 Durango. We can afford the gas, and the safety and peace of mind of having a full frame truck beneath us is priceless. The way people drive, I'd put my wife and daughter in an Abrams tank, if I could.

Sorry, we don't have "W" stickers on the trucks, but we DID vote for him, if that makes you feel better.

sfft_2108
03-14-2005, 10:13 AM
I don't have a car, but when I turn 16 I hope to get a GMC truck.

edh101985
03-14-2005, 11:19 AM
Well I am still driving my 2000 Mustang Convertible. I never did get that motorcycle. But it is awesome to put the top down and take it on the highway. I've been to Savannah before with it, but I hope to go to Tybee Island soon with it.

Jimmy B
03-14-2005, 11:33 AM
I've have a 1999 Toyota RAV-4.

Skye
03-14-2005, 02:20 PM
Consider yourself lucky that you live in a free country where you can decide for yourself what you want to drive.

Part of been an adult is understanding responsabilty dosn't just finish with yourself. I think - you views on trucks aside - its very sad you can't see that.

Besides, 'free country' - theres loads of stuff you can't do, so why is not letting you drive a truck not free. Interesting comment on the tank, becasue i bet they don't let you drive one of those. But you still live in a free country right?


As for safety, you do realise that it will be safe for you but will squash a smaller car.

A truck is a waste. At least buy an 2WD SUV (and by that i mean a RAV-4 or C-RV light off roader) or something that is more car like like a subaru. Or if safety is a problem get a volvo.

matteocrepaldi
03-14-2005, 04:49 PM
My car is a black 2003 FIAT PUNTO SPORTING. It has a 1.2 liters engine with about 80 hourse power. It's very cool!!!!
I can't attach the picture because it's too large...

Skye
03-14-2005, 05:06 PM
sporting 1.2? are you sure?

The last sporting on the old car they made was a 90BHP 1.6.

Putting the sporting badge on -I know capcity isn't important (power is) - an 80BHP car is
a bit misleading. Especially as the 'new' punto is heavier than the old car.


They give models different badges in different countries, but sporting must mean the same thing..........

willski2002
03-14-2005, 05:35 PM
Consider yourself lucky that you live in a free country where you can decide for yourself what you want to drive. There are some fascists in this country that think THEY should decide what everyone gets to drive.

Oh wait, you ARE one of those fascists.

I have a '96 F150 4X4, and the wife has a '01 Durango. We can afford the gas, and the safety and peace of mind of having a full frame truck beneath us is priceless. The way people drive, I'd put my wife and daughter in an Abrams tank, if I could.

Sorry, we don't have "W" stickers on the trucks, but we DID vote for him, if that makes you feel better.

Well, you sorta just proved yourself wrong. SUV's roll extremely easily, and they definately aren't the safest cars on the road. Just because you are bigger than every other car on the road doesn't mean you are safer. Personally, I would take a Volvo stationwagon or sedan; those are the safest vehicles, not enormous roll-prone SUVs.

Besides, even if you can afford to pay $2 a gallon to fuel an SUV, it still costs money. While you spend twice as much as me on gas, I use the saved money to go on a trip or save for college.

An 80 hp sports car? lol. Our BMW is 184 hp and that's pretty weak.

pipesdrums
03-14-2005, 05:44 PM
They roll because drivers don't know how to react when one of their tires pop or they drop a wheel off the side of the road. The SUV's you see on the news that roll, 99% of them the drivers all made a quick turn of the wheel and stomped on the brakes, the exact things you aren't supposed to do.
As long as you are a decent driver and know how to react to those situations no driver should ever get into a rolling scenario in an SUV.

slnewbus
03-14-2005, 05:49 PM
You forgot to put plymouth in the poll.

1995 Plymouth Grand Voyager Minivan.

pic: http://www.thrillnetwork.com/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=13570

willski2002
03-14-2005, 06:03 PM
^ Yes, but I've seen an experienced driver roll an SUV. If you take a corner too tightly, it will roll, especially in a downhill sharp curve scenario where a sloping road intersects a flat one and the driver turns too sharply. They also roll in icy conditions, but that would be the fault of the driver who skids and doesn't turn his/her wheels in the proper direction (direction of the skid) and then rolls after skidding.

I'll still take a BMW over any SUV.

Skye
03-14-2005, 07:01 PM
An 80 hp sports car? lol. Our BMW is 184 hp and that's pretty weak.


No one said they were sports cars, but these are superminis, they are very light (less than 900kg usually) so 80BHP still gives a reasonably power/weight ratio. I have a 850kg car with 90BHP - it can go 0-60 officially in about 9 secs. Its the ratio, not the total power thats important.

But yeah the BMW would be faster. But these are city cars, and the sports versions of superminis

(or class B or whatever you call them - known as 'warm hatch' (90-120BHP) and Hot hatch (120BHP+) here)

are mainly sold to 21-25 year olds, who have to pay the most in insurance. if you saw my insurance costs, you'd understand (think $2500/year sort of price). The manufactuers who make them (french, italian, american) take a basic car put a slightly bigger engine in it, add some bodykit and improve the handling. Some of them handle very well for cheap cars - their size and lightweight helps, but with modern cars, thats kinda lost.


I would bet the BMW is at least 60-65% heavier. When you think of that, 184BHP isn't so much. it wouldn't be amazinly faster except its rear wheel drive which helps the traction a lot. But a bit the auto makes over taking more sluggish than the punto........

RamblinWreck
03-14-2005, 07:58 PM
Bimmer store huh?

Anyway, I guess my CTS will do.

Kyle Rehm
03-14-2005, 10:00 PM
I just last week bought my first car, a 1990 Toyota Celica GT Hatchback, it has 207,000 Miles, but it is a Toyota, and its in really nice shape. Oh and it was only 1500 with tax, title, license, doc. fees etc.

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willski2002
03-14-2005, 10:05 PM
No one said they were sports cars, but these are superminis, they are very light (less than 900kg usually) so 80BHP still gives a reasonably power/weight ratio. I have a 850kg car with 90BHP - it can go 0-60 officially in about 9 secs. Its the ratio, not the total power thats important.

But yeah the BMW would be faster. But these are city cars, and the sports versions of superminis

(or class B or whatever you call them - known as 'warm hatch' (90-120BHP) and Hot hatch (120BHP+) here)

are mainly sold to 21-25 year olds, who have to pay the most in insurance. if you saw my insurance costs, you'd understand (think $2500/year sort of price). The manufactuers who make them (french, italian, american) take a basic car put a slightly bigger engine in it, add some bodykit and improve the handling. Some of them handle very well for cheap cars - their size and lightweight helps, but with modern cars, thats kinda lost.


I would bet the BMW is at least 60-65% heavier. When you think of that, 184BHP isn't so much. it wouldn't be amazinly faster except its rear wheel drive which helps the traction a lot. But a bit the auto makes over taking more sluggish than the punto........


I'd love to have a Peugot (sp?). They look sweet, especially the older rally-style cars. The 206 looks pretty cool too. Our BMW is actually only 3,219 lbs. or 1,463 kg., so it has a better weight-hp ratio than the hatchbacks. Although I have no chance of driving the BMW, so I'd like to import a 206.

Cid
03-14-2005, 10:24 PM
Here's a picture of my tacoma. I love my Toyota. Even after the 60,000 miles I've put on it in the past 3 years it's still running strong. I really like this picture of it too. It was on my last road trip from Charlotte to Sandusky, and the angle of the picture hides the enormous dent in the other side of the car from where a dude hit me last summer, and the bent tail pipe from where a girl hit my fender the summer before haha.

Edit: Uploaded another closer pic, back when the paint still looked nice and before my accident. You can see the bent tail pipe in this one though. Everything between the driver's door and the rear wheel well is completely crumbled in now. Fortunately the wreck didn't damage the fuel pipe. It still runs fine and thats all that matters to me.

Brian F
03-15-2005, 04:26 AM
As for safety, you do realise that it will be safe for you but will squash a smaller car.

A truck is a waste. At least buy an 2WD SUV (and by that i mean a RAV-4 or C-RV light off roader) or something that is more car like like a subaru. Or if safety is a problem get a volvo.

For some, a truck truly is a waste, and so is four wheel drive I respectfully must point out that if you do not know our lifestyle, you're hardly qualified to say what we do or do not need. My truck hauls quite often, and both of our vehicles get frequent off road use.

A car based SUV is nothing more than a minivan. Nothing wrong with that if that's what suits you. I want something with a full frame under it.

I've owned three SUV's, and four pickups. All but one were 4X4. Never came close to rolling over in any of them. That includes when I got t-boned at 40 mph in the truck I currently have. By the way, in my truck, the point of impact from that crash was under my butt. In a car, the point of impact would have been in my ribs.

I'm not against anyone driving any type of car they like. The hybrid idea is a great one. If they come out with a full size pickup and/or SUV as a hybrid, I'll look very long at it.

In the meantime, I'll tell anyone to buy the vehicle that best suits their needs. Is asking for the same courtesy unreasonable?

Skye
03-15-2005, 06:17 AM
Well at least you posted a reasonable argument this time.

You earlier post just seemed arrogant.

If you really need it then its ok. But do you really need it? Most estate cars can carry pretty heavy loads......maybe not large machines, but a reasonable amount of weight.

lilmx5guy
03-15-2005, 07:35 AM
I drive a 2004 Mazdaspeed MX-5 Miata (velocity red mica). I like feeling connected to the road, handles awesome. It replaced a 1996 Miata (Purchased New). Also have a Quad Cab Dakota manual with a V8 for the snow.

Brian F
03-15-2005, 02:25 PM
If you really need it then its ok. But do you really need it? Most estate cars can carry pretty heavy loads......maybe not large machines, but a reasonable amount of weight.

Actually, yes. Although you didn't know you were doing so, you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned machinery.

Metalworking, and trading in machinery is a hobby and side business of mine.

And, I still am going to assert that it is my OPINION (note emphasis) that trying to dictate to someone else what they should or shouldn't drive is extremely arrogant.

Byron
03-15-2005, 03:01 PM
I'd love to have a Peugot (sp?). They look sweet, especially the older rally-style cars. The 206 looks pretty cool too. Our BMW is actually only 3,219 lbs. or 1,463 kg., so it has a better weight-hp ratio than the hatchbacks. Although I have no chance of driving the BMW, so I'd like to import a 206.

Not that it really matters, but your BMW is probably closer to 3400 lbs. That 3219 is Manual Transmission with no options.

DrachenFire96
03-15-2005, 07:37 PM
I have 3 rides, but my main ride is a 2002 Mazda Protege 5 (Yellow) which I am planning on lowering and sitting on a set of 19" shoes.

My other two:
1991 Toyota Tercel (P.O.S. but I use it for commuting to work, blue and primer :) )

1991 Chevy S-10 extended cab (Teal)--ex show truck, my lowrider S-10 has been off the road for several years. Debating on what to do with it. Right now it's just rotting. But I want to Channel it (body drop). It already has a killer sound system and Full Air Bag suspension as well as a ton of body modifications.

CoasterDJ
03-16-2005, 04:30 AM
Interesting read. Right now I drive a Silver Ice 2001 Nissan Frontier King Cab. It is a pretty sweet truck if I do say so myself. As for my other car history...here they are:

1988 Chevy S-10 (2 months)
1990 Ford Ranger XLT (4 months)
1988 Chevette Scooter (actually a car, not a scooter)
? Ford Tempo
? Nissan Maxima Station Wagon
? Plymouth Horizon
1990 Ford Aerostar

Kyle L
03-16-2005, 07:03 PM
I'm surprised I didn't post my SUV in here! I own a 1994 4Runner. Great car, love it a LOT! I plan on driving it as long as I can. I bought it in August of 2004, been driving it ever since.

The Spec's:
Engine: 150 HP 5,800 lb Torque
V6 3 Liter
4WD 4Modes: 2HD, 4HD, 4LD, 4ELD (I can go up like...anything..lol)
Mileage: 142,000

Body:
5 Seat, large rear trunk area. The body type is basically a truck with a roof. My tail end is very, very unique. The window rolls down, and I can then drop the tailgate like any normal truck. Its really nice, and I absolutley love it. I can drop the tailgate when I need to carry bikes, or have a seat.

Add Ons: I got it all fixed up when I got it, but no mods right now. New CD Deck, Snowboard Rack, and Bike Rack being installed Friday.

Anyway, I really like it. No mods yet, I don't really plan on it. Just larger tires, and proabobly get it tuned up, then take it off road and blaze some trails.

Picture of the Runner

Montu Man
03-16-2005, 08:13 PM
We got the new Giro Ridgelane V8 last August, and it's sweet. It has 280 horsepower, and is very good at accelerating and going up hills. It is the 2005 model.

edh101985
03-16-2005, 08:47 PM
Since when do they have hills in Florida?

tntornadox
03-16-2005, 08:56 PM
Since Disney built them.

Byron
03-16-2005, 09:46 PM
I drive a compact rear-wheel drive sedan that is marginally smaller thana Chevy Cobalt sedan and marginally larger than a Honda Civic sedan.

mgkaotic
03-17-2005, 12:35 AM
I dont have a car of my own yet, so I either drive my parent's cars which is a 2000 focus and an 03 ford f150 supercrew. When i graduate out of college, the cars on top of my list are either 87 Buick GNx, 02-04 Ford Lightning, or 07 Lincoln Mark Lt.

edh101985
03-23-2005, 12:41 PM
My dad wants to buy this car within the next few years. Its the Shelby Mustang SVT Cobra. Its awesome! It has 450 HP (It is the most powerful one ever from the factory) and costs about $40,000. The engine is a supercharged V8 DOHC. It comes out in 2006. http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=20294

Byron
03-23-2005, 01:11 PM
Supercharged....they should actually make the engine better instead of simply slapping a supercharger. The fact that it's a supercharged 5.4 liter engine and only puts out 450 hp seems kind of sad to me.

pipesdrums
03-23-2005, 01:19 PM
Its a factory engine from Ford though, you can't expect too much. And 450 is a respectable amount of Power, it is more than most Porsche's have and just 50hp less than what the new ZO6 Corvette will have.

Montu Man
03-23-2005, 01:34 PM
Since when do they have hills in Florida?

Please don't tell me that you think the Giro Ridgelane is a real car, that is just sad.

Skye
03-23-2005, 01:57 PM
My dad wants to buy this car within the next few years. Its the Shelby Mustang SVT Cobra. Its awesome! It has 450 HP (It is the most powerful one ever from the factory) and costs about $40,000. The engine is a supercharged V8 DOHC. It comes out in 2006. http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=20294






Supercharged....they should actually make the engine better instead of simply slapping a supercharger. The fact that it's a supercharged 5.4 liter engine and only puts out 450 hp seems kind of sad to m




Whats wrong with that? its a bit low, but getting any more power is difficult without large modifications. Partly its cost (what do expect for $40K) of a hi-tech engine, but also the engine is less sensitive to fuel type. And it'll last much longer if its unstressed.
it could be low power to get more torque (ie bigger stroke than bore).

All that aside, how much do you need? (and don't say more :) )

if you want more power you got to pay more..........capacity is the only cheap way of increasing power. (the fuel consumption for that is going to be pretty bad)


You can't have a hipower engine and a low price. thats just greedy :)

Do you know how cheap $40,000 is anyway? Here that would only nearly buy

a new VW Golf GTi (the new 200bhp 2.0 FSi turbo version).
Or a 163bhp BMW 1 series 320d

edh101985
03-23-2005, 02:04 PM
Please don't tell me that you think the Giro Ridgelane is a real car, that is just sad.
I didn't think it was real, but I didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to put a fake car so I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

Well I heard horsepower ranging from 450-550, so it could end up being more.

Skye
03-23-2005, 03:29 PM
probably not - few cars have that much.

Byron
03-23-2005, 09:34 PM
Do you know how cheap $40,000 is anyway? Here that would only nearly buy

a new VW Golf GTi (the new 200bhp 2.0 FSi turbo version).
Or a 163bhp BMW 1 series 320d

That's because you live in the UK, of course. In the US, a fully loaded GTI (still Gen IV here) costs $27k. 300hp can be had on a Mustang GT starting at $25k. A car comparable to a BMW 330 with 300 hp can be had for $31k. The cheapest 400hp car that I can think of is the Pontiac GTO (Vauxhall Monaro to you) at $33k.

Sure, simply slapping a supercharger on an engine will yield a ton of horsepower (see any fast Ford for reference), but it would be nicer if they'd actually make a nice engine.

pipesdrums
03-23-2005, 09:38 PM
How are the SVT motors not nice?

Byron
03-24-2005, 12:54 AM
A highly tuned engine (like the Acura RSX-S engine) impresses me more than a large displacement supercharged one, unless the latter is putting out a ton of horsepower.

lukeventura
03-24-2005, 01:41 AM
It's interesting that hybrids aren't popular here (well, compared to the us anyway) becausee high-tech Diesels designed for europe are sometimes MORE fuel efficient than hybrids. For now, hybrids probably won't make a big impact in europe, becasue diesel is much simpler technology and matches the fuel comsumption of current hybrids.

Diesel isn't always more cost efficient than petrol cars. Just look how much the cost of diesel has multiplied over the past few years!

pipesdrums
03-24-2005, 01:42 AM
A highly tuned engine (like the Acura RSX-S engine) impresses me more than a large displacement supercharged one, unless the latter is putting out a ton of horsepower.

450 isn't a ton of horsepower to you? The Acura RSX Type S doesn't even make half that.
I take it you like the more 'modern' engines more so than something like a pushrod engine found in a Corvette?

Calvin
03-24-2005, 02:28 AM
Going to drive a Satellite Blue new Beetle, same goes for Peter.

Martin
03-24-2005, 07:52 AM
Not old enough to drive yet, but my dad drives a 2004 Volkswagen Passat. I think I would like to drive an Infiniti FX45.

Byron
03-24-2005, 01:41 PM
450 isn't a ton of horsepower to you? The Acura RSX Type S doesn't even make half that.
I take it you like the more 'modern' engines more so than something like a pushrod engine found in a Corvette?

I was thinking more along the lines of the new BMW M5's 5 liter engine that puts out 507 horsepower. There is also the new Audi RS4 4.2 liter engine that puts out 420 horsepower. Or the 6.1 liter McLaren F1 Engine (from over 10 years ago I might add) with 618+ horsepower. None of these engines are turbocharged or supercharged. Sure, they're a lot more expensive, but they're also a lot more impressive, to me at least.

Skye
03-24-2005, 02:59 PM
^but its a very expensive, very finely tuned engine.

More impressive, but then you can look at an F1 engine getting 1000+bhp from 3 litres or something.......




Diesel isn't always more cost efficient than petrol cars. Just look how much the cost of diesel has multiplied over the past few years!

Its only a bit more expensive than petrol here, and you get more mpg.

Also becasue they emit less CO2 company car drivers pay less tax - the main reason theres so many diesel 3/5/7 series now.

Byron
03-24-2005, 05:40 PM
I only used those examples because those are high output examples. When I stated that the RSX-S's engine was a nice engine, it was pointed out that it only made 200 hp, so I figured I should use high output engines for my examples.

Skye
03-24-2005, 06:10 PM
Generally if a high capacity engine has low power, it has a high torque output.

Snaussysoul
03-24-2005, 06:30 PM
I have only had two cars: A Subaru Brat & Nissan NX 2000.
Cheak out these links to get an idea of what they look like-
http://www.corvair.org/chapters/necc/gallery/necc_pocono_2004_nissan_nx2000_white.jpg
http://www.subaruufa.ru/subaru/1977.jpg
So far, with my experience, I would rather drive a Nissan over most mainstream cars (not including Audi, BMW,and other expensive luxury cars). Nissans last a long time and usually have minor electrical problems. My nissan is at 210,000 miles and the only problems I have had so far are just Spark Plugs burning out.

pipesdrums
03-25-2005, 11:26 PM
[QUOTE=Byron] Or the 6.1 liter McLaren F1 Engine (from over 10 years ago I might add) with 618+ horsepower. None of these engines are turbocharged or supercharged. [QUOTE]

Its a shame that engine was a one off and made of materials usually only found on the space shuttle or some other extreme high performance machine :(

RIP McLaren F1

(yeah, I have a fetish with that car, haha)

Byron
03-26-2005, 12:32 AM
Was the McLaren F1 Engine really that much different than any other BMW M Engine (Aside from the obvious difference of being a V12 instead of Inline 6 and almost double the size of the other ones)?

Skye
03-26-2005, 01:04 PM
its very similar i think

pipesdrums
03-26-2005, 03:33 PM
It was very different. It was custom made by BMW specifically for McLaren for use in the McLaren F1 series of cars and was entirely hand built.
It featured dry sump lubrication technology which is basically taken directly from racing technology (no BMW road going engine has this, yet) and allowed the engine to be mounted several inches lower in the chasis than a wet sump system would allow.
It was also one of the first V-12 road engines built by BMW that had 4 valves per cylinder (for a total of 48) and hydaulic lifters. Only the latest V-12 road engine from BMW has 4 valves per cylinder, 12 years later.
It also had individual throttle bodies, now being introduced on the new M5.

In a way it might seem that it is very similair to BMW engines today, but you have to remember that this engine was built and designed over 12 years ago. The engine is still the benchmark of superscars being built today like the Ferrari Enzo, Saleen S7, Koenigsegg CC...etc

Here is a picture of both the McLaren F1 engine and the modern day BMW-V12 powerplants;
Present day engine (http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i21/2107_6mg.jpg)
McLaren F1 engine (http://www.illegale-autorennvideos.de/autorennvideos/pics/65-80/Mclaren%20F1%20Motor.jpg) (also note how compact it is compared the regular BMW V12)

What is even more impressive is the limited run of McLaren F1 LM engines they built which has over 680hp, 520 ft-lb torque and a redline of 8500rpm :eek:

Skye
03-26-2005, 06:38 PM
I thought it was a development of the 3.2 litre 6 from the previous previous generation M3 (the 321bhp 1995 one).

pipesdrums
03-26-2005, 09:20 PM
Which? BMW designed the engine used in the McLaren F1 prior to the 1993 release of the car.

Skye
03-27-2005, 06:38 AM
Yeah but the M3 Evo didn't appear until late in that cars model life - 95 or 96 - it was replaced in 98 by the new 3 series.

I meant M3 Evo i'm not sure what was before that.


They could have adapated it the other way - split the V12 up into a 6 and simplified it. The M3 wasn't exactly a cheap car.

pipesdrums
03-30-2005, 10:54 PM
I'm sure they used some technology they learned from build the McLaren engine. It would be stupid of them not to use some of that technology for their own cars, lol.

Dr.Bruce Banner
07-16-2005, 11:39 PM
My baby is a 2005 Scion xA. I love it!!! Not just because its a sweet looking car so far, it bought me the greatest thing that will ever to happen to me, my girlfriend Cheryl. (We met at a Scion car show) Your in for a treat too because I just took a few snaps of it last night. :cool:

Dr.Bruce Banner
07-16-2005, 11:41 PM
And what the heck, heres a better daylight shot, all waxed & cleaned up. :cool:

Rachel123
07-20-2005, 10:34 PM
oh lord!!!!! Why does the car thread have to be SOOOOO long!! i'll never catch up!!

Anyway...My first car was a 1980 Mercury Capri....I had that when i was 17 Until i was 19. No im 19 and i have a Dodge Neon. ....I'm almost 20. Ive only had this car for a few months tho....My other one was dieing....I miss her!! :(

James
07-20-2005, 10:47 PM
Time for me to post some photos of my "bling bling" ride...
(im the one with the v2 shirt on)
http://www.yatpay.net/pics/05-07-16/20329.jpg

http://www.yatpay.net/pics/05-07-16/20504.jpg
(the car with yatpay in my seat...)

http://www.yatpay.net/pics/05-07-16/20333.jpg
(The kickass inside and my friend rob)

RaptorXLC
07-21-2005, 01:10 AM
Well I was recently in a rather unfortunate accident involving a mopeder running a stop sign and totaling my car. So I was in the market for a new car. I just recently bought a 2004 Mazda 3 5D, and it's great. So far it's awesome, no problems, and I love it. A sporty upgrade from my toyota corolla that was totaled.

Here are some pics

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3599/dsc014907jz.jpg
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6963/dsc014918ue.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2096/dsc014897cp.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/5323/dsc015015vo.jpg

Brian F
07-21-2005, 02:12 AM
Your car got totalled by a MOPED? That must have been some machine!!!!

RaptorXLC
07-21-2005, 12:04 PM
Well the kid, was pretty big and landed on my roof/windshield. Apparently it's pretty expensive when the roof gets serious damage.

slnewbus
07-21-2005, 12:07 PM
Somebody backed into my minivan the other day. That makes me mad.

willski2002
07-21-2005, 12:17 PM
Ahhh, I love the smell of BMW leather!

I'm getting one of these three:

BMW 1 Series (1999 I think): $6,200
BMW Z3 (1996): $6,500
BMW M3 Evo (1994): $5,800

So yeah. Any of those cars will be amazing, but they all have high mileage (the Evo has nearly 140k, while the other two are around 100k).

Coastr Crazy 72
07-21-2005, 12:46 PM
Not old enough to drive yet, but my dad drives a 2004 Volkswagen Passat. I think I would like to drive an Infiniti FX45.

Thats the exact car I have, well not exactly. I have the 35, the 45 was not worth the money. But the FX35 is a dam nice car and I love it. Some magazine described it as a sports car with a backpack on it and after 9000 miles I realized that is the perfect description for it. It handles the roads like a sedan, accelerates and sounds like a sports car and is as roomy as most crossover SUV's. The thing that impresses me the most is not how great the exhaust sounds or the amount of power this thing puts out but instead I'm most impressed with the technology. I couldn't find my way out of paper bag if I had a map and a flashlight so the technology package (DVD nav) was a must for me. The navigation system is done extremely well. It is very smart and very intuitive. The sensor cruise control is also amazing. I love being able to drive down the highway, put on cruise control and not have to touch the brake or gas again for almost the entire trip. The car will slow down and/or accelerate for me when a car gets too close. It is amazing. The keyless start is pretty cool as well. I don't think I've ever had to pull the key out of my pocket, even to lock or unlock my car. It senses I have the key so I just push a button on the outside of my car and it unlocks and to start the car I just turn the little stub sticking out of the ignition. Another great thing is the smart "telepathic" transmission. I never have to worry about messing up the transmission caused by aggressive driving because it adapts to the way I drive. I'm pretty heavy on the gas most of the time so my car knows now to stay in certain gears longer then normal.

Overall I love the my navy blue FX35. It's an incredible car and I'm glad I have it.

Rachel123
07-21-2005, 01:06 PM
Well the kid, was pretty big and landed on my roof/windshield. Apparently it's pretty expensive when the roof gets serious damage.

Oh lord!!! Yeah my buddy fell on my other friends windshield.....He had to pay a buttload to have it fixed....

MrEr1c
07-21-2005, 11:03 PM
1999 cadillac seville sts

its a pretty nice car with a decent amount of power.

Worm
07-24-2005, 01:22 PM
2004 Volks Wagen Polo Playa TDi

now that a cool car
of course i have the new shape in metallic blue...

Byron
07-25-2005, 08:57 AM
BMW 1 Series (1999 I think): $6,200


No such car, as far as I know.

If you do get a Bimmer, it'll surely be an awesome car. You damn well better get a stickshift, though.

wonderland man
07-25-2005, 10:00 AM
I'm planning on getting a Smart Car eventually.

tommyistommy
07-25-2005, 11:00 AM
I'm not exactly old enough to drive(legally) yet, but I have a 1987 corolla fx16 gt-s. Its a tiny hatchback. Smaller then the civic hatches of those years. It has the same motor as a mr2, it moves pretty good till about 90 then it runs outta steam (It can go at least 110, but by runs outta steam I mean it stops being what I call quick) Its white with blue interior. Oh and of course, its a 5 speed

coasterfreak14
07-25-2005, 03:28 PM
I want a Scion xB. I just really like those. I can't wait to be able to drive!

James R
07-26-2005, 10:43 PM
The car I will be driving when I get my license (hehe, I'm 16 and a tad late on the whole learn to drive thing) will be a Volvo. Which you dont have listed. It is my 'Tank' as I like to call it. I feel like i'm driving a tank when I drive it. My tank. It's a Volvo 960. No, it's not a hatchback. It has leather interior, a nice sound system that lets the back speakers turn off periodically, a sun roof, and tape player. Yup. It looks a lot like this:

http://www.autogazeta.com/g/452/volvo940_960.jpg

Cobra
07-26-2005, 11:59 PM
I drive an '04 Mazda 3 hatchback. My first car was a '91 Toyota Camry.

RaptorXLC
07-27-2005, 12:02 AM
^Same here. What color is yours?

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3599/dsc014907jz.jpg

Cobra
07-27-2005, 02:50 AM
Mine is titanium gray. Not my car, but same color: http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/550000-550999/550684_4_full.jpg

I love this car.

tommyistommy
07-27-2005, 02:21 PM
I think mazda 3's are cool. Forgot to post a pic of mine so here it is...I think its pretty cool. I took the pic of the gagues to show the 7500rpm redline. And yeah that is my car...Whatelse is there to say? Its pretty quick, and its a toyota so it will last forever.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/tommyistommy/CIMG0026.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/tommyistommy/CIMG0002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/tommyistommy/CIMG0011.jpg

VivianAmusement
07-27-2005, 04:37 PM
I got a Chevy Lumina atm (my dads hand-me-down). But my next car i plan to purchase a Dodge Ram.

Martin
04-22-2006, 12:40 PM
Bump.

My dad upgraded from a 2004 Passat (http://www.automotiverhythms.com/images/2004passattdi_ext.jpg) to the 2006 model (http://www.velocityjournal.com/images/stk/2006/vw2006passat1767404m.jpg). The dealership let him trade in the 2004 model and get the 2006 one for a lower monthly payment.

JamMasterJ
04-22-2006, 12:44 PM
I'm getting a Mirthmobile-esque MINI Cooper S...oh ya sweetness.

CP Maverick
04-22-2006, 02:21 PM
Wow so apparently I'm like 2 years late on this thread...

When the thread was started I had a 1998 Mitsubishi Galant ES. Front wheel drive 2.3liter 4 cylinder 140hp engine.

Anyone that reads my sig knows that... since November 04 I've been driving a 2005 Mustang GT... Rwd, 4.6L 8cyl 300hp engine... only twice what I had before. :) .. After mods I'm putting about 300 to the wheels which is about 340-350hp at the crank. I've had her over 120 but I wasn't lookin at the speedo. I know she does 115 at the top of 3rd gear (6500rpm).

Some pics here: Pictures (http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=user&user=1618&op=view_album&album=471)

I'm also looking into getting a mid 90s BMW 3-series to use when I want to keep the Stang clean.

siestakey
04-22-2006, 03:14 PM
I'd go with Toyota, I don't know cars all that well, but my mom has had an Avalon for 6 years now, and it still runs really well.

Jimmy B
04-22-2006, 03:38 PM
It's about to be seven years since I got my 1999 Toyota RAV-4 SUV, and I've put in over 131,000 miles during those seven years. I got that vehicle just a couple of months prior to my 20th birthday. I have been looking to get an upgrade at the latest by my 30th, but I may already need to start considering how much my current one has been used.

Roller8652
04-22-2006, 03:40 PM
Ive got a 2006 cadillac XLR-V and my wife has a Cadillac CTS-V.

Martin
04-22-2006, 04:32 PM
^ Well you must have a handful of cash. The MSRP for the XLR is $77,295.

Slingshot57
04-22-2006, 06:46 PM
Wow, your name shouldn't be roller, it should be high-roller.

Coaster Nana
04-22-2006, 07:36 PM
I've got a PT Cruiser, or as I call it my VT PT.

Roller8652
04-22-2006, 09:01 PM
Actully the V series for XLR is like 100k and the CTS-V is like 55k.

JamMasterJ
04-23-2006, 12:46 AM
Nice! But the MINI beats it, I'm sorry, the Wayne's World theming vaults it over your beautiful ride. Hey btw is the XLR black?

Byron
04-23-2006, 04:29 AM
I'm also looking into getting a mid 90s BMW 3-series to use when I want to keep the Stang clean.

1. Get a stickshift.
2. You're going to fall in love with it.

That is all...

Roller8652
04-23-2006, 08:44 AM
Nice! But the MINI beats it, I'm sorry, the Wayne's World theming vaults it over your beautiful ride. Hey btw is the XLR black? No its maroone.

JamMasterJ
04-23-2006, 06:37 PM
Good enough it's an XLR you can't go wrong.

giggity424
04-23-2006, 07:15 PM
I'm planning on getting a porsche carrera GT that car is beautifal.

DejaVu4Life
04-24-2006, 09:45 PM
2004 Ford F-150

CP Maverick
04-24-2006, 10:52 PM
1. Get a stickshift.
2. You're going to fall in love with it.

That is all...
1. Maybe, I have manual transmission in the Stang
2. Duh

:)

Carowinds 73-03
04-24-2006, 10:56 PM
I'm looking into a new car in the next few weeks. Not sure if i want another Focus. I really like the Ford Fusion.

Kyle L
04-24-2006, 11:00 PM
I"M GONNA GET AN SUV AND WASTE MY MONEY ON GAS, POLLUTE THE ATMOSPHERE, AND GIVE THE PEOPLE NEXT TO ME A HARD TIME PULLING OUT OF PARKING SPOTS!!! I'll also look really good parked in front of wall-mart with my "W 04'" sticker on the back!

Anyway, I really do wanna get a prius or a Civic hybrid.

You tell me how I put my bike in a Toyota Prius?
You tell me how I drive a Toyota Prius up my friends cabin in Lake Tahoe at 3 in the Morning with the driveway full of a foot of snow?
You tell me how I drive my car off road to get to that sweet biking spot?

There's a huge stereo type with SUV's that comes from other parts of the country where a SUV isn't exactly needed. For what I need it for, my SUV is perfect. I'm not flaming you back or anything, but I mean, a SUV does have its uses other than getting mediocre gas mileage.

BTW I drive a 4Runner so its not exactly the huge gas guzzling beast that everyone hates.

giggity424
04-24-2006, 11:09 PM
You gotta have an SUV, it may guzzle gas but you can't get stuck, maybe livin in Cali or Florida you don't need one but I'd rather be safe.

Joseph
04-24-2006, 11:13 PM
Hope to get my new car delivered by the end of the year...

http://home.comcast.net/~jophish17/5h.jpg (http://coasterenthusiast.com/uploads/5h.jpg)

http://www.saturn.com/sky

CP Maverick
04-25-2006, 01:04 AM
My mom wants one of those. They look nice but I could never sit in one comfortably.


...

And the Prius is a joke... Do people actually think those cars look good?

Brian F
04-25-2006, 04:17 AM
Lately, I've been having the urge to get a Jeep. Not a newer, shiny "foofy" one, but a 20 year old, primer black with pinstriped flames, blood and guts, ragtop playtoy beast.

Chris L
04-25-2006, 04:18 AM
Eh, I don't remember if I already posted in this thread and I'm sure as hell not going to go through each page in this thread to see if I did. :D

I drive a 2004 ACURA TSX equipped with the Acura Satellite Linked navigation system with voice recognition. It's a Nighthawk Black Pearl exterior with ebony leather and metallic trim. About a month away from being two years with this baby. It hasn't failed me yet! Gotta love the Japanese reliability and hardiness. I've never taken pictures of my car, so here are some pics I found via search engine of another black/black 2004 TSX.

http://acura.jbroadtests.com/TSX/2004/Bilder/2004%20TSX%20Dash.jpg

http://acura.jbroadtests.com/TSX/2004/Bilder/2004%20TSX%20Cockpit.jpg

http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0011/images.autobytel.com/cyber/186367/iN653P_1.jpg


Basically the same thing as a sunroof.

Don't know why people ever started calling them moon roofs anyway.

I know you posted this WAY back in the day, but there is a difference. Sunroofs are retractable roof panels that ISN'T a glass panel, while a moonroof is a retractable glass roof panel, with a slideable sunshade.

Dalee4lifefan
04-25-2006, 04:38 AM
i drive a 05 chevy cavilear.its a sandblast color.i also drove a 81 chevy(brown),93 chevy cavilear(black)and a 01 chevy cavilear(green).

Joseph
04-25-2006, 09:58 AM
My mom wants one of those. They look nice but I could never sit in one comfortably.
The seat itself is very comfortable but legroom is an issue for my 6'3" frame :sadface:



And the Prius is a joke... Do people actually think those cars look good? No.

Hybrids in general are a joke.

They produce too much smug ;)

Byron
04-25-2006, 04:12 PM
1. Maybe, I have manual transmission in the Stang
2. Duh

:)

Just go for the stick. It's a shame to see a BMW (well, not all BMWs, just the good ones) without one.

Kyle L
04-25-2006, 09:52 PM
Just go for the stick. It's a shame to see a BMW (well, not all BMWs, just the good ones) without one.

I'm sorry we all can't be car savvy.

Cuddy
04-25-2006, 10:33 PM
Yeah Bob, they mentioned that the Sky is not for those who are tall or rotund. I saw one on the raod and did a doubletake, they look nice.

slipknot8527
04-26-2006, 01:30 AM
I just inherited a 1.8 turbo 5-speed passat. It kicks ass!

It's a 98 B5, and is Colorado red.

CP Maverick
04-27-2006, 11:17 PM
About a month away from being two years with this baby. It hasn't failed me yet! Gotta love the Japanese reliability and hardiness.
I've had my ALL AMERICAN car for 16 months and haven't had to do any service outside the regular oil change. :)

Chris L
04-27-2006, 11:22 PM
^ Give it two years, you'll be singing a different tune. ;)

Truth is, American cars have horrible reliability in comparison to other makes. Although German cars are untouched in that category. :D

CP Maverick
04-28-2006, 12:16 AM
If you take care of something there's no reason for it to have any reliability issues. The problem most people have is letting their cars rot away thinking all they have to do is put gas in it...

Brian F
04-28-2006, 04:48 AM
Hmm, my ten year old Ford has been very reliable. It's never broken down on me, and, on average, I spend about as much per year in repairs and maintenance as you guys do in a couple of months of payments.

I'm not saying that foreign cars are not reliable, I'm just saying that it's pretty uninformed to bash all American vehicles as unreliable.

There is ONE thing about my truck that is a total piece of crap, though- The Japanese Stereo. I'm going to fix that in the next week, though- I have my eye on a nice, iPod ready Alpine. After that, I'm taking a high powered rifle to that Sony POS that's in my dash right now. They call it an "Xplod." I'm going to make sure it does!

coasterell
04-29-2006, 11:55 AM
I drive a 1992 Saturn SL-1, charcoal grey in color. It has really high milage, but this car was babied. It is an awesome car.

Dan G
05-21-2006, 01:05 AM
So I went and got my license today, and I passed so my dad and I went driving around look for a car for me. When we lost all hope, my dad took me to this grocery store and we found a decent looking Volkswagen for me. I didn't really want it but my dad fell in love with it when he saw it and he got it for me. We're just waiting for the tow truck to bring it over to our house so I can start driving it.

I can't believe we payed $400 dollars for a four color car with 3 wheels. :(

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a312/EastCoastn07/pimpmyrideplease.jpg

One question, will someone please nominate me for PIMP MY RIDE because I don't think I'm going to get many chicks in this ride.

Cuddy
05-21-2006, 01:16 AM
Actually, it is Volkswagen, and those cars if kept up right, give you a long driving life. Chances are, with the multi-color door and front quarter-panel, that car was involved in an accident, and the owner was too cheap/poor to take it to a real body shop.

GOOD LUCK!

KrazyT
05-21-2006, 01:22 AM
I drive a silver 2006 Honda Civic SI... Got it as a christmas present from my mom.

FLCC Josh
05-21-2006, 01:36 AM
At least it's a car bro....you could still be riding the good ol' Shoe Leather Express.

Cuddy
05-21-2006, 01:43 AM
^or a Schwinn.

Byron
05-21-2006, 02:54 AM
I can't believe we payed $400 dollars for a four color car with 3 wheels. :(

OMG, I was so excited until I clicked on the picture. I thought you had bought a Golf Harlequin (http://www.rossvw.com/vw/pics/harlequin/Thumbs1.htm). That would have been awesome.

Komatz70
05-21-2006, 03:26 AM
Dan...I feel for you, if you only needed a car a couple of years ago I coulda sold you my '86 MR2 for 250...it needed some work, but atleast it was a cool car...ahh, a VW, one of the few cars I can think of that costs more for parts than my Toyo.

rlrcstrfreak
12-23-2006, 03:08 AM
Getting a Benz c230 Sports Coupe Kompressor. Probably the 6 speed manual. Ahhh. Exctiting. From the back you can't really tell it's a Benz, which might be a good thing when it comes to people deciding on who's car to key. It's a tight car. Although it sucks that it has rear wheel dirve. Tubo (yes). I Drove it at the dealer. Fun little car.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6845/c230bluekk0.jpg

http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdrives/images/02c230sc1-1.jpg

slipknot8527
12-23-2006, 04:45 AM
A. I don't believe you.

B. Why would it suck to have rear wheel drive?

Hector
12-23-2006, 06:38 AM
2007 Toyota Yaris :heart:

paboy
12-23-2006, 10:28 AM
Well, I have a long list of past cars, here goes:

From current to last
1999 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner
1998 Nissan Altima
1995 Chevy Blazer
1996 Plymouth Neon
1994 Plymouth Neon
1986 Nissan Stanza
1979 Honda Civic
1980 VW Diesel Rabbit
1980 Ford Courier Pickup
1980 Honda Accord
1971 Ford Maverick

I think that's been all of them!

coasterdude28
12-23-2006, 10:48 AM
Right now I am driving a pearl white 1996 Toyota Avalon. I love it. It drives so nice. It's not too big, but it has so much room inside. The leg room is great. It gets good gas mileage(30.33 mpg highway, about 25 city) according to my calculatons. Its fun to drive. I really like it. And, best of all, I got it for $200 and it needed about $800 in repairs. Not bad for a decent riding car.

Martin
12-23-2006, 11:38 AM
Why would it suck to have rear wheel drive?
It is my understanding that rear-wheel drive is notorious for not being as good as front-wheel drive in inclement weather.

Byron
12-23-2006, 03:50 PM
But it's infinitely better when there isn't inclement weather. Easier to control the car, since the front wheels aren't trying to steer and power at the same time.

BTW, C230K Sports Coupes are ugly as hell.

I love DW
12-23-2006, 08:36 PM
A. I don't believe you.

Why would you not believe him?

Martin
12-23-2006, 09:34 PM
Because it is quite an expensive car for a sixteen year old.

Joseph
12-23-2006, 09:54 PM
It is my understanding that rear-wheel drive is notorious for not being as good as front-wheel drive in inclement weather.
yeah but it awesome for donuts :cool:

oh, and the C230's are actually pretty cheap ($30,000 or so to start) If its used, they sell for under 20K.. not that far-fetched

imakecoasters
12-23-2006, 10:11 PM
Yep, I'm all Porsche,:rolleyes: .

My first car will be a VW Jetta Munual. I drove my cousins (yes, i'm 13) around a block a few times. I wasn't the best at shifting, but that was my first time ever. I love VW's! I don't like any american cars except the newer Pontiacs. I dunno, they just look cool, and I hear they are pretty good too.

-IMC-

Fastdawg07
12-23-2006, 11:06 PM
Well, here's my history. I started driving last winter. Imagine driving around a 1992 Ford Econoline Conversion van, WITH almost no brakes, and a bad starter. Not to mention that it was a gas hog.

Fast forward to this year... my parents got a 2005 Chevy Impala that I now drive around. I don't "own" it but I drive it everywhere and put gas in. Someone at school has a G6, doesn't pay for insurance and doesn't even pay for gas. Anyway, its sweet, but next year when I got to Michigan State I 'll have to leave it behind because they don't allow cars on campus for freshmen at State.

rlrcstrfreak
12-23-2006, 11:08 PM
A. I don't believe you.

B. Why would it suck to have rear wheel drive?

Alright. Why you don't believe me, I don't know.
Used less than 20,000

And It sucks rear wheel because here in Reno it snows a lot and it gets Icy a lot. I live in and around mountains. Does that make sense? Rear wheel drive sucks on iced hills. sucks.

PkiJake
12-23-2006, 11:35 PM
I turned 16 in October and got my permit, I can get my liscence on April 18th. I want:

-Honda Element
-Pontiac Aztek
-Saturn VUE
-Jeep Compass
-Scion tC
-any small SUV like the Nissan Xterra's

Any of those would be fine.

-Jake

Kyle L
12-23-2006, 11:41 PM
Alright. Why you don't believe me, I don't know.
Used less than 20,000

And It sucks rear wheel because here in Reno it snows a lot and it gets Icy a lot. I live in and around mountains. Does that make sense? Rear wheel drive sucks on iced hills. sucks.

I've been to the Sierra's many, many, many times...why anyone brings a luxury vehicle up there during the winter is always beyond me. If I were you I would've gotten just a beater SUV or Truck that you won't totally flip out on if it gets dirty or gets a scratch...

Just me though...

rlrcstrfreak
12-24-2006, 12:05 AM
Yeah. Well It's not really a big deal. We have more days without snow and ice than with it. But an SUV would be good so I could drive up to Tahoe and Ski.

James R
12-24-2006, 02:05 AM
I turned 16 in October and got my permit, I can get my liscence on April 18th. I want:

-Honda Element
-Pontiac Aztek
-Saturn VUE
-Jeep Compass
-Scion tC
-any small SUV like the Nissan Xterra's

Any of those would be fine.

-Jake

I always feel like I am in the minority when it comes to my liking of the Honda Element. Glad to see it's appreciated by others! Heh.

I also like the Saturn Vue as well. The Toyota FJ Cruiser is pretty cool too, but when I found out it has 17 MPG... it dropped off my list...

I love DW
12-24-2006, 02:40 AM
^Yeah unfortunetly now a days you really have to consider gas mileage when buying a car.

PkiJake
12-24-2006, 03:43 AM
I always feel like I am in the minority when it comes to my liking of the Honda Element. Glad to see it's appreciated by others! Heh.

I also like the Saturn Vue as well. The Toyota FJ Cruiser is pretty cool too, but when I found out it has 17 MPG... it dropped off my list...

I know how you feel, my family doesn't like the Element or any of my friends. I told them if I got one they don't have to ride in it then, only one of my friends likes them she is it.

-Jake

Steven
12-24-2006, 09:05 AM
My first car was an 89 Chevy Cavalier... now I drive a 95 Olds Cutlass Ciera. I'm looking either at a Pontiac Vibe or a Toyota. Of course, that's because I can get a good deal.

edh101985
12-24-2006, 10:49 AM
I have a silver 2000 Ford Mustang Convertible. Ive had it for quite a few years, and its really nice. I really like it, but it has very little passenger room, and everyone who rides it has a hard time fitting in it. Maybe when I graduate in a few years, I can get something like this... http://autos.yahoo.com/usedcars/detail/index.html;_ylt=Avc7RM9VriC7LeSp1ZH5E5.2ScUF?cid=a utomobiles-214398328&dst=29.58&rsr=bWFrZT1DQUQmbW9kZWw9Q1RTJmNzej0zMDA2NiZndXI9NT AmdnR5cGU9YXV0b3MmbWs9Q2FkaWxsYWMmbW89Q1RTJnN1Ym1p dD1TZWFyY2gmYj0yMA--#image My cousin has one and its really nice.

slipknot8527
12-24-2006, 11:43 AM
I still don't see how anyone could think front wheel drive is superior...regardless of the weather. How would you get less traction? As stated earleier, the rear wheels are moving you, whilst the front ones need only steer.

TDMAMBA
12-24-2006, 08:12 PM
Ford Explorer Gold 2000 model. Has a V8 5.0 engine. It's a BEAST!!

rlrcstrfreak
12-26-2006, 11:13 PM
I still don't see how anyone could think front wheel drive is superior...regardless of the weather. How would you get less traction? As stated earleier, the rear wheels are moving you, whilst the front ones need only steer.

Pfshhh.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/eng99/eng99328.htm

Marc
12-27-2006, 12:23 AM
I still don't see how anyone could think front wheel drive is superior...regardless of the weather. How would you get less traction? As stated earleier, the rear wheels are moving you, whilst the front ones need only steer.

Front wheel drive is superior to rear wheel drive on slippery roads.

Front wheel driven vehicles understeer or don't steer at all even if you want it to. Regaining control is as easy as letting go of the gas.

Rear wheel driven vehicles oversteer or have the tendency to spin. To recover from this, you have to let go of the gas, and turn the wheel to counter the spin. This causes the car to swing the other way and requires the driver to turn the wheel again. Repeat untill the car is under control or in a collision/ditch. This is easy to do, takes time to solve, and sometimes is very difficult to recover from in slippery conditions. Rear wheel vehicles increase the chance of collision or ending up in a ditch under slippery conditions.

Also, the weight is higher in the front of cars because of the engine/transmission. Front wheel drive gets more traction because of this weight on the wheels in slippery conditions.

Normal conditions which allow for fast acceleration cause the car to tilt back and put more weight on the rear wheels and therefore give them the advantage. This is especially true for high performance cars that accelerate very quickly. Racers need mastery of oversteer and drifting to be able to compete, especially in off road competitions.

Byron
12-27-2006, 12:09 PM
It's actually a bad idea to let off of the gas if you lose the rear end in a rear-drive car. It transfers the weight to the front end, which means it'll take longer to regain control of the car. For understeer, taking your foot off of the gas helps to get the front wheels to regain traction, but for oversteer, it'll just send you into a spin.

The reason why people prefer front-drive cars in inclement weather is because it takes less skill to counteract understeer than oversteer.

Seabeacon
01-02-2007, 12:08 PM
Subaru Forester

ShannonS
01-02-2007, 03:58 PM
I drive a 2000 Nissan Sentra GXE. My sister and brother-in-law found it for me on the Internet,went to VA to get it. My niece calls it "Green Apple Betty" just because it's hunter green.

Marc
01-02-2007, 04:23 PM
It's actually a bad idea to let off of the gas if you lose the rear end in a rear-drive car. It transfers the weight to the front end, which means it'll take longer to regain control of the car.

For weather your talking about, yes that is correct. Ice is a ***** to drive on with a rear wheel drive car. Tapping the gas more than slightly will cause the wheels to spin and oversteer.

For racing on dirt and other slippery roads, there is a mastery to be had on controling oversteer. Let off the gas and lock the brakes to enter into an oversteer situation to start a drift then maintain control by giving it gas or hitting the brakes and steering at the same time. To exit, steer out so the rear wheels catch and accelerate out of the curve. Too much oversteer and you spin out, not enough and you get passed. The more slippery the roads, the more skill it takes to maintain control of the car.