View Full Version : the Mountain or the Point?
05-05-2001, 06:46 PM
Which is better, SFMM or CP?
05-05-2001, 06:53 PM
Having been to both I can most definitely say Cedar Point. If nothing else but the fact that they're the king of capacity.
05-05-2001, 06:53 PM
I don't know, only been to SFMM. Please, people, if you're going to post, go to both of them.
05-05-2001, 06:57 PM
Sending this one on over to parks.
05-05-2001, 08:10 PM
Cedar Point is much better. If for no other reason, the atmosphere is better. Also, Magnum and Millenium at the same park......how can you beat that? Both parks need more wood though.
05-05-2001, 09:30 PM
SFMM has a better mix of variety than CP IMO, but the safety stuff ruins the rides sometimes, and neither really has "theming."
<BR>I say SFMM cuz it's my home park. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">
05-06-2001, 04:13 AM
05-06-2001, 09:24 AM
Uhhh... Cedar Point! No brainer! <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">
05-06-2001, 12:17 PM
Ive only been to CP but Im sure it blows SFMM out of the water even if they have 15 coasters. CP's are better.
05-06-2001, 12:50 PM
well, its kinda hard for me too say because i was to CP before they had MF, while i was at SFMM last year. it looks like as far as coasters go their tied, but i have to give it to SFMM has "scaryier" rides and the attempted theming.
05-06-2001, 01:03 PM
<BR>"I ve only been to CP but Im sure it blows SFMM out of the water even if they have 15 coasters. Cp's are better."
<BR>Have to give you an award for the smartest response EVER! My apologies in case you are 12 years old!
05-06-2001, 01:19 PM
05-06-2001, 01:27 PM
well i've been to both and I say SFMM
05-06-2001, 04:50 PM
I dont know what the hell u guys are talking about but SFMM is truly the better one. MOre intense rides, and good theming.
05-07-2001, 08:32 PM
SFMM is dirtier, and the management seems to be more willing to pour dumptrucks of money into rides rather than general park improvements. CP has a better collection of quality rides, ones that fit almost everyone's tastes. They tend to use proven technologies and as a result tend to get a quality product, but applause should go out to SFMM for putting their cajones on the line and trying new concepts, new companies, and new ideas. Maybe SFMM is the minor league for Cedar Point....
<BR>who's sick of comparisons between both parks...go to both and don't rely on other's opinions.<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: ucdaap42 on 2001-05-07 19:33 ]</font>
05-07-2001, 09:21 PM
Haven't been to SFMM so I can't comment on that, but Cedar Point is............ OVERRATED,OVERRATED,OVERRATED,OVERRATED. Don't get me wrong I loved Millenium Force,Raptor, and Gemini. Mantis was okay,but killed by trims and its hard to enjoy air time on magnum when your being thrown from either side of the car. How come some people are blinded to see that magnum is getting very rough. I also hate to wait in 2 hour lines with nothing but hot sun, blacktop, and the guy smoking in front of me for entertainment. I would rather take a trip to the ISLANDS BABY!!!!!!
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05-08-2001, 02:19 AM
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<BR>Best park out there...I dont care what all of you CP fans...I say SFMM!!
05-08-2001, 05:11 AM
Of the three parks I've been to (Cedar Point, SFGA and Jazzland), Cedar Point is the best. Hopefully, I get to go to SFMM to have a fair perspective. From what I see of their park, it appears to be awesome and I have to applaud their different types of rides. So many types to be found their. So I'll say this, their the definitely the 2 best parks in the world.
i wonder why you americans call you r self fans of theme parks, and say the 'rivals' are rubbish, it seems silly to me(though, in scotland we have two themeparks, and they are both utter poo)but i don't call my self an alton fan or a Pleasure Beach fan, i think they are both good in they're own way(...then someone comes and shots me for being to happy:i'd have to say Cedar Point, it is the only park i know to have to 200ft+ coasters, and that is stunning in my books!)
05-08-2001, 11:10 AM
I've been to both CP and SFMM... CP the year they added Power Tower, SFMM this past Jan. While both are great parks, I have to give the nod to CP. SFMM had some great coasters, but the rest of the park felt very neglected. For instance, the people mover up to Ninja and Superman... wouldn't hurt to paint that area.
<BR>CP coasters also run better. While I realize that I was there in the offseason, having 3 coasters down on a day at SF was just bad.
05-08-2001, 11:52 PM
shut up flix. theres 200 ft. rides everywhere. well, atleast overhere in the U.S.A. only two parks, what kind of country is that. then u obviously dont know anything about rollercoasters. i would make a list of rides that go 200 ft. high but it would take hours. but Superman over in Magic Mountain a 400 ft., 100 m.p.h xtreme machine.
05-09-2001, 01:26 PM
<BR>I've been to both parks more than once and every time I am struck with how the parks feel and are managed. SFMM is a incredible park with a awesome selection of rides, and they obviously do great at taking the risks on the newest technoligy. But, as you walk through CP it just feels "RIGHT". On a side note, if CP isn't the best park in the country/world, why do ALL other parks always compare themselves to it.
05-10-2001, 06:00 PM
Magic Mt. Blows away Cedar Point
05-10-2001, 06:33 PM
SFMM has 3 Coasters over 200ft
<BR>Goliath 255 ft
<BR>Deja Vu is 196ft, almost there!
<BR>and lets not forrget the 200ft woodie in 2002, lol
05-10-2001, 08:27 PM
Well its a close call but CP has a better vibe so i'll go with that
05-11-2001, 10:36 AM
leftcoastpunks-MXPX, do you think you could have been a little nicer about that one? We don't like to bash people on these boards. Never tell people to shut up, and never tell anyone that they don't know anything about coasters, it does nothing except make you, and all of the ThrillRide! board look bad. Thank you.
05-13-2001, 11:12 PM
I would have to say Cedar Point is the better of the two.Cedar Point is a really awesome park and I think it will be getting even better sice SFworlds of adventure moved in and took Geauga Lakes place buying sea world out and stuff.SFWOA is gonna try and top them with new coasters and stuff but Cedar Point will beat them,I just know it.Next year I know CP will come out with something spectacular.SFWOA has this new ride opening may19th called the x-flight,I wouldnt mind taking a ride on that-looks cool.just offering my input
05-15-2001, 03:46 PM
Screw em both!!
<BR>I'd rather ride good wood coasters at SFGam, SFoG, and SFWoA, matter of fact, I should revisit SFoT.
05-22-2001, 04:49 PM
I think the whole idea of a rivalry between the two parks is preposterous. It's all about generating press coverage for both parks; don't buy the hype. Why even compare them? They are halfway across the country from one another and they are not competing for the same customers. Those of us who might travel around the country to ride coasters probably represent a very small fraction of their overall business. Both are thrill parks far superior to anything else in their immediate areas, both like to build record-breakers and offer a great variety of thrills for their customers. Of course if you live near one of the parks and have enjoyed visiting it you will be partial to one over the other, but this my-park-is-better-than-your-park foolishness is just silly.
<BR>That said, the Travel Channel special last week on the top 10 American parks rated SFMM at #7 and CP at #2.
05-22-2001, 05:23 PM
Let me think about this one, ummmmmmm Cedar Point
05-22-2001, 05:43 PM
How can a park be superior to CP with rides that never work, lies about ride height (have YOU ever seen S:TE travel all the way up the tower?), unoriginal rides and ride names, and having one coaster in the Top 25 compared to CP's four?
05-22-2001, 06:21 PM
SFMM it's better
05-22-2001, 09:06 PM
Definitely the Point. I've done a lot of MM and there are things I love about that park too. But the Point does have that certain "something" that feels like a great park. MM is overrun with teens too much IMO. As far as the post regarding # of rides reaching over 200 feet.....is a ride simply great because of sheer height?? That's a silly argument if you ask me. There are a ton of medium-sized rides that are great fun all over the US. Both parks are good, but the Point gets the edge for me.
05-22-2001, 09:15 PM
I have never attended either park. But from my impression I would say SFMM, they have more coasters, and more extreme coasters. Could anybody please justify why CP could even be close to SFMM.
05-22-2001, 09:20 PM
In terms of roller coasters and pure thrills, it is Magic Mountain, no contest. But in terms of how good the PARK is (not the coasters, since there is more to a park than coasters) CP wins by a long shot.
<BR>Magic Mountain has the best selection of roller coasters on the planet, and absolutely nothing besides that.
<BR>Cedar Point has what is probably the second best selection of roller coasters on the planet, some other great rides, and a better atmosphere.
05-22-2001, 09:30 PM
Both are very different but great parks. Magic Mountain has more coasters. The Point has more complete circut coasters. The Mountain has 3 200 footers. The point has Power Tower which is better than many coasters. The Mountain has many prototypes such as X and Deje Vu. The point is clean and freindly. All in all both parks are equally great!
05-22-2001, 10:07 PM
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<BR>How can a park be superior to CP with rides that never work, lies about ride height (have YOU ever seen S:TE travel all the way up the tower?), unoriginal rides and ride names, and having one coaster in the Top 25 compared to CP's four?
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<BR>That was a very unfair post. Yes, I've personally seen S:TE go so high up it's vertical post to the point where it would touch the safety brakes. It all depends on the load of the train. The more heavier and the more seats are filled up, it will actually have enough momentum to peak out only 15-20 FT from the very top. Other times, when the load is smaller, it barely makes it over half of the tower. And because this is mainly a park bash post against Magic Mountain and not Cedar Point, there is only one park to defend here, I would for Cedar Point, but this post obviously doesn't show that kind of hatred towards it. Second off, their rides work fine. How is it that you get the idea that their rides have a consistency to break down? And that Top 25 thing is also a joke on its own. I personally do not even think that Mantis or Magnum XL-200 should even be in that Top 25 list, yet alone the Top 10. Millennium Force and Raptor are acceptable to me, because they ARE Top 25 quality condenders. Magnum XL-200 and Mantis are only on the list because NAPHA has an obvious thing going on with Cedar Point. C'mon, Magnum XL-200 rated #1 for 10 years straight when rides like The Incredible Hulk, Shivering Timbers, Mamba, and Medusa have been out? I seriously think it is rigged, don't you?
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05-23-2001, 12:18 AM
I haven't been to SFMM so I can't say that much about it, but I've seen a lot about it on several videos, the SF website, and the various opinions from this page and others. I have been to CP, and I think that CP is pretty much impossible to beat. Okay, so SFMM has one more coaster; although coasters are the best part of an amusement park, they're not the whole thing. Parks need lots of flat rides and other kinds of thrill rides because otherwise it just gets kind of monotonous. According to various opinions and the park's website, SFMM does not have that many small rides. CP, however, has an incredible variety. Plus, it is not only the amount of coasters that they have, but the quality. Also, many of the coasters provide excellent views, particularly Mean Streak, Magnum, MF, and Power Tower. So though I can't really bash SFMM for anything, I think that The Point has it beat.
<BR>Plus, the reason that Magnum is always rated the best steel coaster is because of nostalgia. It was the first roller coaster to top 200 feet (or at least continuous-circuit, since Moonsault Scramble was built several yrs. earlier). Is the ride great? Yeah. Has it been topped? Yeah. Does that really matter? No. Plus, there are a number of woodies that, although have been topped, still rate among the best, including Thunderbolt @ Kennywood and Cyclone @ Coney Island. These rides have received somewhat good reviews from riders, but they get rave ones from NAPHA and other organizations. Why? Nostalgia, as in the case of Magnum.
05-23-2001, 01:07 AM
I can't believe people still get off on bashing one park, to make another one look better, who cares? Let's just say Cedar Point is better, so what? That doesn't make SFMM any less fun to hang out at. Why are people so obssessed with these two parks?
05-23-2001, 02:22 AM
For COASTERFREAK, who doesn't care about what us CPfans think, if you don't care,
<BR>then why are you reading what we think in our posts???????
<BR>And to the Point: I will quote the following from Cedar Fair LP's 2000 Annual Report
<BR>"And for the Third consecutive year, Cedar Point has received the prestigious “Golden Ticket Award" for being named the Best Amusement Park in the World in an international survey conducted by Amusement Today, a newspaper that ranks the “best of the best” in the amusement industry.”
<BR>And Cedar Point also received the Applause Award, the industry’s highest honor for “foresight, originality and sound business development.”
<BR>What more can you say?
05-23-2001, 03:31 AM
"What more can you say"?
<BR>The only thing left to say is, grow up people. When did going to parks become a sporting event? "CP is better", "NO, SFMM is better". Do you guys realize how silly you all sound? CP's a great park so enjoy it and stop whining about SFMM and visa versa. All I know is this CP Vs SFMM garbage will be the last thing on my mind when I drop down X's 89 degree first drop! Go out and have some fun people and stop whining like babies.
05-23-2001, 11:55 AM
I hate when "People"(mostly CP fans ) say MM has only Coasters, nothing else and so it's not the whole "Theme Park Experience"
<BR>What about the 5 Waterrides : Log Jammer, Jet Stream(actually in a beautiful setting) Tidal Wave, High Sierra Falls& Roaring RApids, which runs wetter than ever
<BR>Given , the Flatrides are at least over 10 years old, but there are still at least over 15/20 there
<BR>What about the Skytower, the Metro, Bugs Bunny World(another 15 rides or so)
<BR>Not to mention beautiful landscaping, great use of terrain e.t.c.
<BR>SFMM has a Petting Zoo, Animal Rescue Station, Nightime Parade and Fireworks, Shows & More, so please stop bashing , it's not like they lined up 15 coasters next to each other....geeee
05-23-2001, 12:01 PM
It all seems like a waste of energy to argue which park is better. Every park has it's pros and cons. I would hate to see a park loose touch with what truly makes it great by getting caught up in a Coaster war. Cedar Point is a incredible park, more because of the history and the feel of the park, the coasters are great, but myself, I would rather they have one or two less than MM and continue to be the well run and well thought out operation they are. MM is a great park with great thrill machines and many other advantages, but for me, CP wins on character and the overall positive feel of the park.
05-23-2001, 01:30 PM
Having never gone to Cedar Point, I will have to keep myself out of the debate itself, and I would urge anyone else to as well.
<BR> First, why must it always boil down to SFMM and Cedar Point? I mean, really, there are several parks out there that are better than both. IOA, Kennywood, BGW, BGT, Knott's, Disneyland even. I, for one, value the atmosphere of a park over its rides.
<BR> Second, Six Flags Magic Mountain and Cedar Point are 2000 miles apart from each other. It is inevitable that there would be differences between them. SFMM is more of a fast, frenetic park; it reflects on the area in which it is placed. It's in Southern California; what did you expect? Cedar Point is built in peaceful Ohio, so it carries a different atmosphere than SFMM. Which one do you prefer? It all depends on your personality, and what you like.
<BR> And SFMM detractors, remember that Cedar Point has had 131 years to become the park it is today. SFMM has had 30. I'd say SFMM must be doing fairly well, to catch up with CP in such a relatively short amount of time.
<BR>Please don't bash me, I'm just givin' my opinion here.
05-23-2001, 02:52 PM
How many times have I seen this argument before...It's starting to get old.
05-23-2001, 03:46 PM
Cedar Point is the best by far. Faster lines. Park is cleaner. Workers are much friendlier. Only 1 worker at a ride smiled at us the whole day at SFMM last year. A couple of the ride operators were gabbing with friends on the phone while operating rides at SFMM - They would have been fired at Cedar Point! The wooden roller coasters where in bad shape and needed painting.
05-23-2001, 08:29 PM
I think` CP is better than MM because the cedar fair company doesn't spend all of their money on one park
<BR>Also, MM has clones of rides that exist elsewhere like:
<BR>MM is a bucnh of crap. SF should spend money on other parks that need stuff more than them.
05-23-2001, 11:57 PM
OH I totally agree that this is ridiculous. But I enjoy a good argument!! hehe
<BR>Thats what its all about. This is fun!
<BR>And it is a good point about the distance: 2000 miles between us. Of course I think CP is better, I LIVE IN SANDUSKY!!
<BR>I like CP more than SFMM for the same reason I like the Cleveland Indians more than the Dodgers!
<BR>I just think its fun arguing! Anyone with me??? I'm the type of person who would take the other side just for the fun of it!
05-24-2001, 01:00 AM
Cedar Point. MM, just sucks money from the other S.F. parks like E.G. (so call me an angry Denverite) I'm sick and tired of going to the worst park in the S.f. chain just so the Mountain can get it's new coasters. What a waste of money dude!
05-24-2001, 01:12 AM
Jealousy will get your homepark nowhere lol! The funny thing is, most of these people have never even been to the Mountain, I guess people need an outlet to express their jealousy. SFMM is certainly not perfect, and CP is probably the better all around park. But that still won't stop me from enjoying the hell out of Deja Vu, X, Goliath, Riddler's Revenge, Ninja, Superman and Viper.
05-24-2001, 01:38 AM
PLEASE tell me how in the hail is Goliath a clone when it was the first one to be bulit. Goliath was bulit a whole year before Titan and was the first Giovannola hypercoaster ever on this planet, so I asure you Goliath is NO CLONE. Viper might have some of the same elements as the other Arrow megaloopers but Viper's layout is completly different then the others. Viper is also bigger, faster and longer then the other Arrow megaloopers, Viper's layout has already been explained element for element another post so i'm not explaining it again. The only real clones in the entire park is Batman Tr and Deja Vu. A clone is something that's identical to each other Goliath nor Viper is Identical to any other coaster.
<BR>Anyways you guys can sit up and be green with invy all you want too b/c SFMM is the better park and is going to continue to get better and better and better. <BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: X2001 on 2001-05-24 00:39 ]</font>
05-24-2001, 02:50 AM
hey swimmingking...the reason E.G. is being neglected is cuz sf is dropping it with in a year. They have a 6 billion dollar debt, and eg isnt doing well. HAPPY COASTING! )(evilly laughs).
05-24-2001, 02:56 AM
There hasn't been such a heated debate since "Less filling, Tastes Great." I don't care which park is better, I hope that the '00 decade becomes a Roller-Coaster Battle-Royale, with both parks constantly building and trying to out-do each other. We the public win when this sort of thing happens. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> [Archie Bunker Voice] "Keep buildin' em' the both of youse'" We just might see some of those Whoppers of the Week get built.
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05-24-2001, 12:31 PM
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<BR>hey swimmingking...the reason E.G. is being neglected is cuz sf is dropping it with in a year. They have a 6 billion dollar debt, and eg isnt doing well. HAPPY COASTING! )(evilly laughs).
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<BR>Good. Mabey Cedar Fair will buy it, get rid of that accursed water perk, and the other bad rides.
05-24-2001, 12:39 PM
<BR>. MM, just sucks money from the other S.F. parks like E.G. (so call me an angry Denverite) I'm sick and tired of going to the worst park in the S.f. chain just so the Mountain can get it's new coasters. What a waste of money dude!
<BR>Never mind that SFMM actually makes the most momey of any Six Flags Park, or let me put it in a way you might understand....if you invest $100 and after a year would you rather get 150 in return or 200??? that's why MM get that kinda treatment!
<BR>And rightfully so, i might add!
05-24-2001, 12:41 PM
uups, that's money not momey, my bet!
05-24-2001, 01:22 PM
Cedar Point all the way. SFMM sucks compared to CP. How else could CP get the name America's Rockin' Roller Coast
05-24-2001, 05:20 PM
Cedar Point seems to be self sufficiant when it comes to money. Why is it that the stupid mountain has to be a freakin parasite?
05-24-2001, 07:15 PM
Why SFMM gets the good stuff...
<BR>1) It brings in the bucks
<BR>2) It's the flagship park, though SFOT probably should be.
<BR>3) Promotional reasons. Cedar Point calls itself "America's Roller Coast" because it's held the record for most coasters for a very long time. It's the same reason SFMM is calling itself the "XTreme Park"
05-24-2001, 07:24 PM
3 coasters in a year is hardly justifiable by their profits, large as they are. If that were true, that means every SF park should get a new coaster every year. If you take into consideration that MM operates year round and their maintenance cost is higher the higher attendance is more than justifiable. Since all Six Flags are not getting coasters this year and will never in one year, it is obvious that some parks are sucking money from others. This is not only a MM problem, though it is the biggest offender. SFWoA, SFGAm and SFNJ all are spoiled parks (and don't you dare say that I'm saying this because I'm jealous, SFWoA is my homepark). CF spreads the wealth, though I admit CP generally gets better quality coasters. All parks have a hypercoaster (KBF is getting theirs next year and MA has only been owned for two weeks) and great quality overall.
<BR> Even though MM is getting extra coasters, CP is still better. MM has incredible coasters, and so does CP. IMO, I think CP has SLIGHTLY better quality. Both are in great, if different, locations. I think they are equal in landscaping, but it depends on what you like. In the little things like customer appreciation and capacity I think you have to give CP the edge. I think flat rides is a clear winner for CP. They are just so numerous and fun that I really don't see how any park can beat CP in this category. By combining all these aspects, it seems that CP is the better overall park, even though MM is a wonderful park. Both parks are excellent, but as it is in baseball (I hate to admit this), New York and Cleveland are both great teams, but ultimately NY is just a little better. It is the same case here.
05-24-2001, 07:26 PM
Well all I have to say is that people who bash either park CP or SFMM has never been to either one b/c if you have you would relize that they both are 2 of the best parks on this planet.
<BR>I honestly wish they had a high speed train that would take you from SFMM to CP and from CP to SFMM so I could enjoy both parks when ever I felt like it. B/C IMHO I love both parks and I will never stop going to either one even though CP is 2000 miles from me I can still say it is a great park and that I love it just as much as my home park SFMM. <BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: X2001 on 2001-05-24 20:14 ]</font>
SFMM easily has the best coasters out of both, but CP has better flat rides, themeing, and quality. CP also has some great coasters. CP is better in my opinion.
05-28-2001, 05:40 PM
Any park w/ great coasters gets a thumbs up from me. I have only been to CP, but I have to believe that MM is awesome to form what I have heard and seen - MM bashing notwithstanding. As for the "why is Magnum always #1 and the NAPHA polls are rigged" nonsense, here's my opinion. For most of the past 10 years Magnum has been the best coaster and the new coasters haven't been around long enough to knock it off the top spot. Also, NAPHA stands for National Amusement Park HISTORICAL Association. That said, is it no surprise that such a nostalogic favorite is always at the top (along w/ the Coney Island Cyclone and the Thunderbolt?) Finally, everyone has their favorites, but just because one park/coaster is good doesn't make another bad. You don't make a point by bashing the competition, you make it with facts to support your view.
05-28-2001, 05:56 PM
Disregarding my name (I guess I'm a traitor), I think CP is better. however, this is my opinion. Notice I didn't state it as a fact. But I have to say, don't let my opinion bother you. Have your own, and enjoy whichever park you like. I just happen to like CP better. That said, my reasons are: I think, when I compare them, CP has more quality rides. I don't want to infuriate anybody, but I do think MF is one of the most amazing coasters on the planet. Also, I am an enormous fan of Arrow suspended, and Iron Dragon beats out Ninja. Also, I went to both parks with my family, and my Step-mom, who doesn't like rides, commented that CP was simply a nicer envirement. However, I think my favorite ride from both is in MM, and that's S:TE. So, that's my two cents.
<BR>P.S. both parks need more wood!
05-28-2001, 11:00 PM
DEFINATELY CEDAR POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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