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siestakey
09-26-2005, 08:26 PM
Did anyone see thwe way they decorated Chaos at SFGAdv? It looks pretty cool, its got spider webs and a giant spider on it. Anyway, will it be open next year?

coasterdude28
09-26-2005, 08:34 PM
Yes, I did see it. It looks very good.

I don't think it will be there next year. Because of the recent accidents I believe alot of the parks are getting rid of their Chaos's and I also think that Chance(it's their ride, right?) stopped making them and stopped making parts for them.

Here is a picture of Chaos http://amusementpics.com/SFGAFF05prep/092405-112.jpg.

medieval
09-26-2005, 09:55 PM
Chaos will be removed in the off season. All Six Flags parks are removing them.

Martin
09-27-2005, 06:54 AM
Sad to see it go. Maybe my favorite flat at Great Adventure.

Marc
09-27-2005, 08:13 AM
Chaos is a poorly designed ride. It's a good thing Chance dropped that lineup. Cedar Point modified their design to release manually only. It has also become more restrictive as the harness must be lower or the ride won't run. It also renders the light indication useless. After the modification mid summer, the capacity dropped considerably. I wouldn't be suprised if Cedar Fair drops their chaos rides as well.

Sir Willow
09-27-2005, 08:18 AM
It's sad that it's so poorly designed, and it's a heck of a lot of fun. Actually one of my favorite flats to ride, but with all the problems and safety flaws on it, not one that I'll get on anymore.

I would honestly be surprised to see any of them left in any park within the next couple of years. I think that just about every one left is being removed in the next few months. Maybe Chance will go back and redesign it so that it doesn't have the same problems.

raser
09-27-2005, 10:52 AM
I don't see CP getting rid of theirs as I was at Halloweekends and it had a decent line and it looked great coming from Carn Evil my daughters friend saw it and had to ride. It was her first trip to CP and she loved it...

BatwingFan SFA
09-27-2005, 02:02 PM
That sucks,so now we'll have no good flats to ride at SFA in GC....now that AB no longer runs backward it just plain sucks.

Still I had my suspicions because the ride hasn't operated all season,perhaps a regular frisbee will replace it?they can easily put one in on KC's footprint by just having it swing paralell to the path leading to superman.

I'd hate to see yet another boarded up spot where a ride sits but no longer runs,as is I'm sick of seeing the old enterprise site blocked off like that although I hear they're trying to get a new motor for it.

CoasterGuy210
03-30-2006, 07:45 PM
I love this flat but it seems like all of the parks are removing them. The pavilion got one when they were brand new and removed it a few seasons ago. Will someone list all the safety flaws I am not aware of them all.

Bencerisback
03-30-2006, 08:08 PM
I would honestly be surprised to see any of them left in any park within the next couple of years. I think that just about every one left is being removed in the next few months. Maybe Chance will go back and redesign it so that it doesn't have the same problems.

I bet the one here in Omaha at the little "fun park" will be here to stay for a while. They got it two years ago and it is literally the only good ride they have besides waterslides and 2 crappy go-kart tracks... the spider/octopuss ride is fun though, still Chaos is their only real thrill ride.

CoasterGuy210
04-02-2006, 04:04 AM
wow, did anyone else notice that chance also stopped the Zipper and Tramabt/Casino rides? They aren't listed on their site anymore

Zingoman
04-02-2006, 04:27 AM
I did hear that they stopped making Zippers. I'm not sure why. Those are an icon attraction I believe. I always wiched they had permanant park models too. The Trabant/Casino ride has been modified into the Wipeout models. They are much faster than the originals, and I love them to death. I still enjoy older ones for the nostalgia. They are as cool to watch as they are to ride.

As for the Chaos rides, I feel uncomfortable on them. They feel flimsy, and ever since the incident at Michigan's Adventure, I have had a hard time wanting to ride them. Honestly, the portables feel safer than the park models I have ridden. I figured it was a matter of time before they started disapearing. Huss should make a model of one.

SuperSteve
04-06-2006, 09:14 PM
arrg, Celebration City got rid of theirs last year as well, which was also the same year that they got it. What were the accidents that happend and how are they so poorly designed? I liked the one at CC quite a bit.

Marc
04-07-2006, 03:15 AM
Chaos has inadequate dampening against resonate frequencies allowing excessive motion on the lateral plane and torsion of the boom. This problem in itself won't cause direct fatigue, however it does increase the damage caused by other situations and cause them to propagate much more quickly. This is expecially true for the hub and the extremities such as the rider units and the arms that support them. There have been quite a few incidences that aren't well known involving various parts falling off these rides.

Of all the rides I have operated, this one makes me the most nervous. I've seen them fail many times in quite a few ways. I am fortunate enough not to have been working it for any major failures.

The only serious incident involving injuries for Chance Chaos happened at Michigan's Adventure on July 30th 2001. The basics were than the bolts on the hub failed causing the ride unit to partially detach from the boom standing in a full upright position. They were fortunate that the hub held on as well as it did. The minior injuries could have been much more serious if the ride unit had fallen forward.


As part of CIS investigation, parts of the Chaos ride were sent to an outside laboratory, Byron Laboratories, for examination to help determine why the rotating portion of Chaos detached from the lifting boom causing injury to several people on the ride. Byron Laboratories report indicated: “the most likely cause of the failure is loosening of the fasteners due to impact loads. This resulted in flexing, with subsequent fatigue fractures of the remaining bolts, and final catastrophic overload failure.”

And


Wilbur said CIS staff reviewed Michigan Adventure’s maintenance and daily inspection reports and were not able to adequately document that all required inspections were conducted and certified by Special Commissioned inspectors as required by R408.874, Rule 74 of the Carnival and Amusement Ride rules. Daily reports for the week of the incident indicated the center bolts were torque checked daily, however inspectors on the site indicated that on most occasions the bolts were inspected visually and not actually checked with a wrench.

"We were also concerned that no documentation was presented to our department of training or regular monthly torque checks of the bolts as required by a service bulletin issued by the manufacturer of Chaos,” Wilbur said.

Service bulletin B408R1181-A, issued by Chance Rides, Inc., manufacturer of the Chaos on December 8, 1999, requires that owner/operators of Chaos rides check torque of all 28 capscrews in the center hub section at least once per month with a torque wrench and that the torque value must be 80 ft-lbs.

cannonballer
04-07-2006, 04:13 AM
Chaos has inadequate dampening against resonate frequencies allowing excessive motion on the lateral plane and torsion of the boom. This problem in itself won't cause direct fatigue, however it does increase the damage caused by other situations and cause them to propagate much more quickly. This is expecially true for the hub and the extremities such as the rider units and the arms that support them. There have been quite a few incidences that aren't well known involving various parts falling off these rides.

Of all the rides I have operated, this one makes me the most nervous. I've seen them fail many times in quite a few ways. I am fortunate enough not to have been working it for any major failures.

The only serious incident involving injuries for Chance Chaos happened at Michigan's Adventure on July 30th 2001. The basics were than the bolts on the hub failed causing the ride unit to partially detach from the boom standing in a full upright position. They were fortunate that the hub held on as well as it did. The minior injuries could have been much more serious if the ride unit had fallen forward.



And
YIKES

How does a ride with such flaws make it into the market place?

BryanWood
04-07-2006, 01:53 PM
YIKES

How does a ride with such flaws make it into the market place?

Because many of these problems took a few years to discover. It happens with some new rides because there's not any fool-proof ways to study long-term effects of the stress on the structure.

Leo C
04-07-2006, 11:37 PM
Now that the SFGADV pad is now filled in and open for me to walk on I could spit on it for not being operational most of the time. I rode it at least once. For the sake of safety I'm glad it's out then. Thanks for nearly nothing Chaos.

Fastdawg07
04-07-2006, 11:47 PM
Yeah, I was at Michigan's Adventure and on Chaos 2 days before it broke down. Everybody around here went ballistic. I mean, why wouldn't they, there were so many injuries. Now, neither my Dad or I will go on the one at Cedar Point. I did a couple years ago, but yeah, the whole feeling of flipping upside down and hanging there for 10-15 seconds wasn't doing it for me. I mean the design was ok , but they needed to do something so that you didn't have blood rushing to your head every time you went upside down. I'm glad they're getting rid of these!

CoasterGuy210
04-08-2006, 12:40 AM
sad, i still love them.

Tbakmtown2006
04-08-2006, 10:44 PM
Hersheypark also got rid of theirs for the upcoming season as well. We also had a lot of problems with the lap bars not opening and people getting stuck in it. Im glad to see it go, it was an operating nightmare.

CoasterGuy210
04-09-2006, 10:40 PM
you know even though i like to ride them and still will always they do have a lot of problems...I am surprised rides like enterprise don't have similar problems because they move in a similar fashion. But it is understnadable since chaos moves WAY slower and has more stress on its structure.