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Claude Mabillard
05-06-2001, 09:53 AM
Ride theming these days stinks!
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Amy
05-06-2001, 10:16 AM
Walt Disney World, Islands of Adventures...their theming doesn't suck IMHO. Six Flags though, basically there is no theming. It's like BAM, lets just shove in a coater. (not that I'm objecting <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> ) Like Rob said when he reviewed Medusa east...medusa being trapped in a mine in the middle of a western themed area? Yes that metal loading platform fits very well into the theming.

sfgamfreak
05-06-2001, 10:18 AM
well, rides are built to amuse, not to theme.
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Medusa1861
05-06-2001, 10:21 AM
i don't care about themeing i care about the ride

Chris Julich
05-08-2001, 02:00 PM
Many people do care about the theming, though... a plain rollercoaster is nothing but a thrill, a good themed ride is like an adventure. It all depends on what you are looking for in a ride.
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coaster man098
05-08-2001, 02:04 PM
i think theming definlty helps coasters. i do agree that theming these days does suck. i mean look at talon, nitro, hypersonic, ect. i think parks will soon learn that a little theming keeps guests happy and keeps them from getting bored and angry in line

cedarboy2001
05-08-2001, 02:07 PM
Well, coasters cost a lot to build. But it probably costs even more to theme them really well. I think that's Disney's problem these days. They're just trying to be more cost effective, and thus sucking a lot of the theming out of their parks.

ThrillRide Fan
05-08-2001, 02:16 PM
I agree with cedarboy2001, theming does cost a lot. Look at IOA, only two major roller coasters(three if you count dueling dragens as two). I would rather go to a park with little theming but lots of coasters, like the point or sfmm.

DUKE
05-08-2001, 02:18 PM
I love themeing, especially IOA I love it soo much because it is immersive where you feel like you aren't in Florida.

arlok2
05-08-2001, 08:34 PM
yeah look at nitro not even a SHUBBERy it takes such out of the ride.

Jerry Huster
05-08-2001, 08:35 PM
Six Flags is notorious for not putting any ride thememing together for a ride...particularly their coasters. We're lucky to see even nice landscaping around the rides in some cases. Not saying they're alone...

B&MAaron
05-08-2001, 09:51 PM
First off Cedar Point has absolutly no themeing lines that are at least an hour for most coasters. Second IOA just opened, Cedar Point has been open for 100 and some years. And by the way, why is your username Claude Mabillard?
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Kraken
05-08-2001, 09:53 PM
I seem to remember a little thing called Kraken..........

arlok2
05-08-2001, 09:53 PM
he wants to be him?

Apollo's Chariot
05-08-2001, 09:58 PM
Islands of Adventures and Busch Gardens themeing is the best> Six Flags themeing s**ks

Dr. Insanity
05-08-2001, 10:24 PM
To my mind, the overall ride experience is almost as important as the ride itself. If I get to the ride in a good mood, I'm that much more likely to enjoy it.(For example, did you ever notice how much more fun a ride is when the lines aren't obnoxiously long?)
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<BR>Rides like Dueling Dragons or Tower of Terror start entertaining you long before you get to the loading dock. Thumbs up to that.
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CoasterBill
05-08-2001, 10:33 PM
IMHO, Silver Dollar City is one of the best themed parks in the would, I mean, their Queve Lines are the most highly themed out of any park I have ever been to. But, since not many peeps go there, you wouldn't know!

SFMMan84
05-09-2001, 12:29 AM
Disney parks are becoming very lazy with theming now (look at DCA).
<BR>Busch Gardens Williamsburg and Knott's Berry Farm is doing a good job at preserving their theming and adding new themed rides/areas that are as high quality as the rest.
<BR>I have noticed that some (note, not all) of the Six Flags parks are theming a little bettter than five years ago.

CaliforniaCoasterKing
05-09-2001, 12:41 AM
Disneyland's Theming is great like Space mountain and Indiana Jones. The only six flags park i know with theming is SFMM. Like their Batman/Riddlers Revenge/Goliath/Ninja and Revolution(In the trees). All's i know is Disney has been getting lazy but Disneyland's Theming is awsome!

SLFAKE
05-09-2001, 09:59 AM
If its a good coaster you don't need theming.
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mulletman13
05-09-2001, 10:07 AM
Hmmm...... SFGAm HAD great theming like 10 years ago, and still has SOME good theming today, but they have let the 'magic' from the Marriott days slip by and let the theming go by also.
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<BR>I love theming very much. IOA and Disney parks give me just an overall great feeling throughout the entire day. Theming can make a good ride incredibly great. For example Disney MGM's Tower of Terror. Without ANY theming (like 6 Flags usually does) it would be just like any other freefall ride.
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<BR>But, then add the theming. Throughout the queue line it kind of tells a story. Then, when you get into the elevator to the basement, it explains the story to you, and makes you think it is thundering outside. Then, you go through the basement, and onto the service elevator (with appropriate costumes for employees) and go up a few floors. There the theming doesn't stop. Near the top it goes through a small movie simulating ghosts that appear. The Twilight Zone guy talks, and then suddenly stops. The ghosts disappear, a brick wall appears, and then you fall.
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<BR>IMO, that is a good ride, that is made GREAT by the theming.

SLFAKE
05-09-2001, 10:41 AM
Based on that last explanation, it makes me wonder...
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<BR>What is our deffinition of Theming? What was described with "Tower of Terror" sounds like that is more than just theming... it is an intregral part of the ride. Using that deffinition of Theming, one would say that a "dark ride" is simply a car on a track and that the stunts etc are only "theming".
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<BR>In my last post on this, I made the comment that a good coaster doesn't need theming... and it doesn't. For example, Incredible Hulk would be a good coaster, even if the queue and launch would not be themed. Once you are out of the launch tube, the theming stops and it is a coaster, pure and simple. Same with Dueling Dragons. The themeing in the queue is incredible, however the coasters are mediocre at best... the themeing of the queue had no impact on the ride.

Ghostrider
05-09-2001, 11:29 AM
Each park has their own way of going about it. Parks like Disney and IOA are built on theming, and that is what makes them so special. Can you imagine Space Mountain without or the Matterhorn without the theming? We'd never hear two words about the rides! They'd be nothing more than overgrown kiddie coasters without the theming and elements that make them so great.
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<BR>Parks like Six Flags have never really gotten into the theming aspect. To a certain extent they try, but they don't completely immerse riders in the theme, and they don't have to. These parks know that people are there to ride the rides and most likely don't care about extensive theming. And the rides can stand fine on their own without the theming.
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<BR>The point is, it's all about what the parks are trying to do. I woudldn't ever expect much incredible theming from Six Flags, Paramount or even Cedar Fair. However, from Disney and Universal, we should expect the most.

DBCooper
05-09-2001, 11:38 AM
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<BR>Same with Dueling Dragons. The themeing in the queue is incredible, however the coasters are mediocre at best... the themeing of the queue had no impact on the ride.
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<BR>As much as I love IOA, and Bolliger and Mabillard coasters, I'm forced to agree--both Fire and Ice feel too short, and unless I'm in the front or back rows, the intensity is nowhere near what I feel on Hulk, Kumba, Montu, or other B+M coasters.
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CPFanatic
05-09-2001, 12:15 PM
Cedar Point does have theming, although it is much more subtle to the eye than at IOA. But even the giant Millenium Force Steel Logo near the entrance of the Cue Line adds excitement to the size and scope of this amazing coaster. At least for CP, they manage to keep the areas around the rides and cue lines clean and well landscaped, which is to say not just unfinished dirt mounds like you would see around new coasters at a Six Flags park. Theming when done well should be somewhat invisible, and add to the overall park experience, Disney and IOA have gone to the farthest extreme of trying to tie everything to a theme of some kind. But, if you have ever spent a day at Cedar Point, you get the same sort of all encompasing beauty and cleanliness which could count as good theming, IMHO.

danesporty
05-09-2001, 12:52 PM
I think the theming in most of the parks is good espically WDW and IOA but some is not so good

Jonathan Gelert
05-09-2001, 01:00 PM
I would rather have a great ride with no themeing than a lousy ride with lots of theming. But IOA is doing both!

Chris Julich
05-09-2001, 05:14 PM
But if the theming is good enough, the ride isn't lousy.....
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FreakEBear
05-18-2001, 06:44 PM
I agree you have to start out with a good ride and no amnount of theming can compensate for a dull one. Good theming adds to the overall experience though. A good coaster with good theming is a rare combination. At Cedar Point, even though they have some amazing coasters their ride queues are sorely lacking anything to entertain or distract guests in line. It wouldn't kill them to spend a few bucks here and there on some TV monitors, a few more DJs or SOMETHING to keep the crowds happy and make those long waits more endurable.

VTD
05-18-2001, 11:42 PM
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<BR>what about rides like Space Mountain, its a good ride, simply because of theming. Take the ride outside and its just crap.

robotman4
05-24-2001, 03:48 PM
I think everyone pretty much agrees that if a ride is good it doesn't need theming, but theming does add excitement to any ride. However, if you go to any park with a good group of friends you don't need good theming to have fun in the lines. Finally, I would much rather go to Cedar Point where they lack theming but have amazing rides then to Disney World ir IOA where it is the opposite.

DBCooper
05-24-2001, 04:49 PM
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<BR>I would much rather go to Cedar Point where they lack theming but have amazing rides then to Disney World ir IOA where it is the opposite.
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<BR>Hmm. I would agree that most Disney rides emphasize theming over ride excitement, but I have to disagree on IOA. While Dueling Dragons isn't the best B+M out there, it's a very nice execution of the "near miss" dueling concept combined with one of the best queue houses ever created.
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<BR>Now if they'd just turn up the air conditioning and turn down the speakers a little in the Hulk "lab..."

LocoSpitz
05-24-2001, 04:52 PM
I don't care about theming. I care about the ride. If I want to see pretty stuff, I'll watch a movie, not go to a park.

Yankee Cannonball
05-24-2001, 04:56 PM
There are Theme Parks and there are Thrill Parks. If you want theming you go to a theme park. If you want thrills you go to a thrill park. It's that simple. (Myself, I prefer a balance between the two, like IOA. I guess that would be considered a Threme Park.)

SLFAKE
05-25-2001, 08:29 AM
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<BR>I don't care about theming. I care about the ride. If I want to see pretty stuff, I'll watch a movie, not go to a park.
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<BR>I hear ya. Actually, I used to use a quote similar to that as my signature on this (and another) board... "I'm here for the coasters. If I had wanted theming, I'd have gone to the movies."

Wildfire2001
05-25-2001, 10:33 AM
Yes Silver Dollar City Has Amazing Theaming when you have Great Theaming it makes the ride seem so much better its like it has transports you to another time and place it just makes a ride more entertainng and if the lines are well theamed people dont get board if you will notice ride lines that have little or no theaming to catch peoples attention they have a large amount of vandalism take batman and The Boss at SF.St.Louis the Batman has some real great theaming while The Boss has none Batman has very little Vandalism while The Boss Has tons and I mean so much it is just Sad and if you look at Silver Dollar City there theaming is so amazing in there lines that you wont be able to find any Vandalism especially on Wildfire which is an amazing coaster it has been running since April 4th and many times has lines waits about 2 hours and yet no Vandalism this proves that not only does Theaming make ride more enjoyable for guests but also helps keep the park from having to fork out tons of money which they could use for more rides to clean up and repair Vandalism so in the long run Theaming pays for itsself its a great investment yes it may cost a little more but it will save them alot and it just makes a ride better! long sentence huh lol I am in a hurry so dont comment on stuff like that Thanks

Wildfire2001
05-26-2001, 07:41 PM
Any Comments?

Zach
05-26-2001, 08:13 PM
Theming makes a huge difference. I love IOA. If it were themed like Six Flags the park would not be even as close to as good as it is. SFGAm does have some theming though (Southwest Territory, Batman The Ride).

boblo-gone
05-26-2001, 09:00 PM
Theming is a mild diversion the first time in line, but it is the ride that will get me back in line (and into the park) again and again.

Nosk8er
05-26-2001, 09:17 PM
i think that good themeing is very important. A lot of parks have it. Around SoCal there is Knotts and Disneyland which are great immersing experiences. The problem is however that roller coasters built in the last 10 years even at knotts and disney lack it. Newest coasters at disneyland? Gadgets go-coaster and California Screamin what kind of theming is that? Ghostrider is considered good theming these days and sad to say that so-so line is one of the better. i would like to see what IOA has to offer because i have heard nothing bad about popey or deuling dragons.

DBCooper
05-26-2001, 10:07 PM
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<BR>Theming is a mild diversion the first time in line, but it is the ride that will get me back in line (and into the park) again and again.
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<BR>Check out the queue house for Spiderman. Granted, this is not the best example--the ride, after all, is brilliant--but actually walking through a recreation of the Daily Bugle offices (down to names on desks and filing cabinets!) is enough to justify the frequent two-hour waits!

The Beast
05-27-2001, 12:31 AM
It all depends on what kind of person ypou are. The "thinkers" people who have open minds and like to learn new things and are very creative, tend to enjoy themeing very much. However, the people who merely like to be thrilled, and don't think much about anything and don't have open minds, tend to not care at all about themeing.

KumbaNut
05-27-2001, 12:38 AM
I enjoy themeing, I think it adds a distictive element to rides. In fact, I am disappointed when I find a ride with no themeing. THe only thing that keeps Batman: The Ride(s) tolerable is that they have the distinct Gothom themes. Another example is Mr. Freeze. A rough ride, with it's thrills, but the Ice Cream factory made it entertaining.