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revolt
05-03-2001, 01:23 PM
now now...dont get me wrong, the oblivion is a great roller coaster...mabey the greatest...BUT does anyone agree that it should be a bit longer with some more inversions and turns...its a big of a build up just for 30 seconds....what do you think?

Thrillman
05-03-2001, 01:28 PM
Yeh, its hard to say. Its almost billed more as a freefall ride than a rollercoaster. But they could add a couple elements like they did with Hypersonic.

revolt
05-03-2001, 01:30 PM
yer............takes the fun out of it <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif">

davidhinds84
05-07-2001, 08:56 AM
If you were allowed to change/modify oblivion in some kind of way, whether it be the track layout or extending the track etc. what would you do to make it better? We're talking realistically here so no extending it into a giant giga-coaster or nothing <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif"> remember that space is limited in the x-sector now.

rollerboy182
05-07-2001, 10:09 AM
kinda weird post but anyway....i dont think in needs any fancy schmancy inversions or anything but just maybe a helix and a bit more airtime and it would be perfect. As it is it is a bit disappointing...i wouldnt have taken a lot to make it 10 times better.

davidhinds84
05-07-2001, 10:12 AM
how about a vertical spike between the drop and the final bend, just like a smaller version of Hypersonic XL ride (i think its called) basically after the first drop you go underground and then up a vertical hill into the open and then over the top into another small vertical drop back underground, then the rest is the same.

Flix
05-07-2001, 11:16 AM
I think it should be like nemesis, with a full track layout, not just a one-gimmick ride. It should have a vertcal loop, which ends of with a dive into the ground...a bit like this(:D)
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<BR>it is hard to make out, but do you guys understand? i think it would be awesome!just a though...(:D)
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Flix
05-07-2001, 11:19 AM
well...that didn't turn out AT ALL!
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<BR>shoot...well here goes...
<BR>You enter like a noraml loop, and go up and invert normally, but instead of going down back to horizontal, you continue down at 90' for 20feet or so, then exit the bottom...it sounds okay now, the image above just didn't work!!
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davidhinds84
05-07-2001, 01:32 PM
hey I've thought about that before! Great minds think alike lol <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">
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<BR>I think that would be great especially if there were a way to go round the loop slowly. I understand what you mean by one drop gimmick but you have to admit, its a great drop!
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<BR>If they added to it, maybe the could have a second drop (maybe using the loop idea <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">)in the middle near submission and a turn underground back towards the banked turn at the end.

Flix
05-07-2001, 04:20 PM
Yeah..!
<BR>I have another idea...why don't they add other fan turn, away into the woods at the righthand side, then put the loop in...going under ground and doing a helix(like goliath's centrifuge!)then thump back up above ground around the bend at the back, then into the statiomn...it would add a few valuable seconds onto the ride time...and make me like it even more...and yeah, the drop is like nothing else you have felt on earth...way cool!

rollercoasters 365
05-08-2001, 11:04 AM
I agree with the vertical bit at the end. I think that adding another vertical bit where it goes up and down at 90 degrees at the end.

roomraider
05-08-2001, 12:31 PM
I know this won't change the ride much but it would be a cheap way of amking it more intresting.
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<BR>Why not change the 2nd row and make it face backwards.
<BR>would be so strange falling backwards
<BR>just an idea
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davidhinds84
05-08-2001, 01:01 PM
hey thats a really good idea! it would feel sooooo strange yet soooo cool! imagine the ride photo it could show you with the drop in the background! certainly one for alton towers to think about <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">

Flix
05-09-2001, 11:07 AM
i think that would be cool, but it would just feel like a reverse freefall ride though, i think the facing forward cars make it more intense, but both facing forward and backwards would be a good idea.
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<BR>maybe they could put stand up cars, or even floorless cars, just too make it more intense, you see where i am going!

davidhinds84
05-09-2001, 11:21 AM
the reason why it wouldnt be the same as a reverse free fall because as it turns round the ben at the top you cant see the edge as it is behind you and the sensation of slowly tipping backwards would be enough to freak me out! I wouldnt like the ride as much if it were stand up, sometimes stand up coasters can be a little irritating in getting the harness just right, but the floorless idea would be nice.
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<BR>Another idea i had for oblivion would be the themeing around it, can you imagine a tunnel underground for people to watch it hurtle by! there could be somekind of snack stop too.

Flix
05-09-2001, 11:28 AM
we should be getting paid for this!
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<BR>what about a longer pause at the top, allowing the people to get a full on veiw of the x-sector! you are pretty high up there.
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<BR>could they launch us off the top of the brake?that would be intense, pushing the g's up!
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<BR>i am running out of ideas, are you?

davidhinds84
05-09-2001, 12:33 PM
hehe you're right we should be getting paid... hope you hear that Alton towers <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> lol
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<BR>I like the idea of a longer wait at the top maybe an extra 5 seconds or something.
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<BR>maybe in years to come they'll make the drop higher along side the ever growing trees, or maybe the restrictions will cease to exsist! imagine oblivion with an extra 100ft on top!!! yikes what a ride!

revolt
05-11-2001, 04:28 PM
i think it would be class with a loop and a few barrel rolls UNDER the ground...........and of course a higher drop...and mabey a bit more speed on it...

davidhinds84
05-11-2001, 05:20 PM
i have to disagree with the loops and barrel rolls, i dont think it would be the same ride, keep the ride short and sweet with its simplicity, eg just increase the drop or maybe add one barrel roll inside the tunnel, actually i like the idea of just one <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

Oblivion Girl
05-12-2001, 02:55 PM
I agree the Oblivion is fine as it is. It maybe could be improved with a few minor adjustments.

PaulD
05-27-2001, 11:17 AM
Believe it or not, there was a really crazy rumour going around soon after Oblivion was built that it was infact Phase 1 of the coaster, Phase 2 to come a few years later. Unfortunutly not many people believed it and it was quickly addressed as a false rumour anyway.
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<BR>But seriously, if it did happen, I wouldnt mind after coming out of the tunnel, there would be a Corkscrew or Loop, Then I would like to see a killer Helix, followed by the small dip up to the brake run. That would rule. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

shallowdays
05-28-2001, 02:57 AM
i think they should move the break down a bit so it holds you fully vertical
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<BR>i like the idea of the second row backward

Gareth Lewis
06-02-2001, 07:45 AM
Bare in mind X-Sector basically provides enough space for well.......nothing extra at all. Oblivion is perfectly suited to its surroundings the way it is and any extension would dominte X-Sector too much and spoil the area, plus I reckon you could maybe fit in a helix at most.

SkeeJ
06-02-2001, 09:53 AM
They should add lap bars, and add a few bunny hops. Inversions arent necessary, but id love to see a corkscrew half burried in the ground!

Stealthy
06-02-2001, 02:39 PM
I would add some smoke and light effects.

Gareth Lewis
06-02-2001, 07:22 PM
There are already smoke effects but I like the idea of light effect. How about some strobes in the tunnel or if that would be a little blinding how about a few lines of red lights running parralel to the track?

davidhinds84
06-03-2001, 07:33 AM
yeah i think strobelights would ruin it but the red lights down the sides would be nice <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> I'm trying to think how lapbars would work seeing as its so steep, i think alot of people would find it too insecure for them to ride it but you never know. If oblivion could be new colours, what would you choose? maybe a blue and silver track with the blue as the main body and silver as the tubing along the track.

dingo65
06-03-2001, 06:11 PM
More length.

RollerCoasterer
06-03-2001, 06:14 PM
when the holding brake at the top of the drop lets go of the car, it should launch it off a little, too. It would make it more suprising.

davidhinds84
06-04-2001, 05:26 AM
i dunno about the boost, wouldnt that be a danger? people would get whiplash etc. i think being at the top and slowly going over the edge is better because you get a great view of the drop if it were any quicker you wouldnt have enough time to take it all in. oh well just my opinion thats all.

S&SFAN
06-04-2001, 11:31 AM
I think a couple of nice bunny hops and a tight helix would make it really cool after that big drop.

coolcoasters
06-17-2001, 01:49 PM
What about lying down cars so that you go down the vertical drop head first
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coastersrsweet
12-18-2001, 09:10 PM
Yes, I agree it is all drop it SHOULD be longer!

Richard Wilson
12-18-2001, 09:14 PM
This belongs in World Wide Coasters. Moving there now.

I've never heard of it called a freefall, because it isn't a freefall. Because the track is 87.5^, rather than 90, gravitational forces are still exerted.

They can't have done much with the ride. The trains are very heavy to accomodate the 8 per row, and so they can't have the trains rocketing around on bunny hills and helices, because it would put far too much pressure on the track, unless they used track with a thicker backbone, like they did with a lot of the ride, which is more expensive. The ride cost I think $20 million, because of the trains, and the extra steel used, and the excavating involved.

Edit: Oops, my bad - thanks for that Alien@SixFlags!

Andy Rathe
12-19-2001, 11:26 AM
Merged with a similar existing thread. Please search before posting!

chilled
12-19-2001, 08:20 PM
a lot of coasters that are first of their kind suffer from greatness....rides like hypersonic xlc after the take off and everything theres nothing much to it.. but i believe that i nthe future there will be a greater version.....same thing goes wit oblivion..theyll make more coasters with a drop like taht and jsut make better things after that

Coasterking2k
12-20-2001, 02:46 PM
I think this ride is great as it is. Many people say that it is a 'one drop wonder' and that it is really boring. I actually loved it! It works really well the way you can actually stand around the hole, and the holding time at the top is just right.

Some things that have been mentioned could have possible problems.

1.Boosted Drop-This would cause major whiplash as the brake is not actually on the drop, it's sort of half way over the drop.

2.Higher Drop-The whole tunnel would have to be re-dug to make way for the G-Forces involved.

3.Stand-up-Trains would be too heavy, and the hole would have to be re-made

4.An inversion or more track- More track would be cool, but adding a helix or something would be very difficult. It would have to be made around the rest of the X-Sector, more paths built and it would cost a lot more. An inversion would spoil the ride; it would look ugly and the train would crawl through it.

5.Strobe Lights- A big no no! People who suffer from epilepsy could end up having attacks on the ride. If they decided not to go on it because of this, they would lose a little popularity.

6.Longer hold-Think of the queue times! As short as the ride is, there is still a pretty long wait for it. I waited ages to ride it a second time.

Sorry if i've really put anyone down, but these are only my opinions. I'm just stating some of the possible problems. Don't flame me for it, and Merry Christmas!:*) :*)

Alien@SixFlags
12-20-2001, 04:12 PM
richard wilson, it is 87.5 degrees insted of 90 degrees, not 100, if it were 100 it would bend back under the turn and not verticle

to improve the ride i would put srobe lights in the tunnel, the flahs of on-ride photos are like strobes, but i would put the strobes facing forward, not at the people so the strobes are shing on the track and it owuld look really cool

Rob Wootten
12-21-2001, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Coasterking2k
5.Strobe Lights- A big no no! People who suffer from epilepsy could end up having attacks on the ride. If they decided not to go on it because of this, they would lose a little popularity.


Does that mean that epileptic people can't go on rides with on ride photos? I know that might sound dumb, but you can notice all the flashes on rides with tunnel like the Vampire @ Chessington. Or am I just being dense? lol

Andy Rathe
12-21-2001, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Rob Wootten


Does that mean that epileptic people can't go on rides with on ride photos? I know that might sound dumb, but you can notice all the flashes on rides with tunnel like the Vampire @ Chessington. Or am I just being dense? lol

I believe people who suffer from epilepsy are OK with one flash, or several very short flashes, like those from cameras. It's the repeated flashes for several seconds from strobe lights that cause seizures.

Fraser
12-22-2001, 07:29 AM
There isn't much room to add much to Oblivion, but I reckon if they took out the fan curve and replaced it with a giant cobra roll then it still wouldn't dominate the park too much and would add another great element to the coaster.

Aaron
12-25-2001, 07:44 PM
I agree that Oblivion is short, but it's still a good and very unique ride.

keilo6
12-26-2001, 07:20 AM
Unique apart from the Oblivion mirror image coaster in the Far East :D

DavW
01-06-2002, 04:05 AM
Maybe the cars could be circular, so you could face backwards, forwards, left or right etc. It would be really strange riding it sideways.:)

coastergenius100
01-06-2002, 05:07 PM
I think that Oblivion should be left untouched, but the next Dive Machine should be at least 4,000 feet long, and even have inversions.

coastersrsweet
01-06-2002, 09:52 PM
Wow, inversions, lol, No Oblivion should be more than the drop!!! B&M needs a better rep. than that they need there best coasters to be longer!!!

may the FORCE be with you
01-10-2002, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by Flix
I think it should be like nemesis, with a full track layout, not just a one-gimmick ride. It should have a vertcal loop, which ends of with a dive into the ground...a bit like this(:D)

I would never call it a gimmick, though maybe today it seems that way but 4 years ago this thing was somethin else.

ldaniels69
01-10-2002, 08:19 AM
we seem to be forgetting that Oblivion was a prototype, and i think we can all agree that our first time riding it was fantastic?

mine certainly was..... even four years later i still love this ride.

im sure that later versions will evolve with added features....

i for one do like the idea of a small drop (say 50ft) into a loop, then a vertical drop coming directly off the (imcomplete) loop.

remember that the wideness of the trains on Oblivion may inhibit manuveurs such as corkscrews and boomerangs etc....

Lew