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MarkRenwick
05-04-2001, 06:49 PM
What doe severy one think about this 10 looping attraction openning in 2002.
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<BR>Do you think it will be excelant and a top coaster oe just a cheap way of getting the record of 10 inversions-
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<BR>Well i think the ride will be excellant and top coaster.
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<BR>What do people from outside the UK think.

Graeme
05-04-2001, 06:56 PM
I think Atlantis will be more fun than some people are giving it credit for. And also probably not as intense as they think it will be either.
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<BR>If the inversions are designed right, including the entry speed, then it will be an extremely fun coaster in the same way those spinning mice are, ie, they don't sound all that great, but do provide a good ride.
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<BR>Having said that, I wish they had opted for a 4-6 inversion B&M Floorless instead!

alpengeistlover
05-04-2001, 07:05 PM
Hey,
<BR> Ive been to england once but hey <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> It sounds cool. IS there gonna be any special designs to the car or just plain olse sit down cars

MarkRenwick
05-04-2001, 07:09 PM
just plain sit down ones i think but we won't know util next year!

Rob Wootten
05-04-2001, 07:09 PM
On the big poster they have up at Thorpe Park, the train is definately a normal sit down one. I dont think Intamin do any other types of car do they?

Nick D
05-04-2001, 10:43 PM
It would be cool if they put the hyper trains on it with OTSR's.

Chris Cox
05-05-2001, 04:55 AM
It's going to be a good coaster for sure!
<BR>Anyone thinking on visiting England soon next year is the year to come, with Thorpe, Alton and Fantasy Islands Coasters!
<BR>Chris
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condor27
05-06-2001, 01:24 AM
Again, the biggest reason why OTSRs are put on loopers is because the insurance companies prefer that way. In order not to pay too much of insurance, parks want OTSR, so they ask manufacturer to put OTSR on.
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<BR>For those of you who're not familiar with Atlantis, it's very very similar to Monte Makaya of Terra Encantada in Brazil (which is an 8-inversion Intamin sit-down looper), except that 2 more rolls are added to the 3 rolls on Monte Makaya.

Taipan
05-06-2001, 08:34 AM
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<BR>Which is why, IMO, I think they're cheating to grab the record!!

davidhinds84
05-06-2001, 10:40 AM
I heard that a rollercoaster will be built before atlantis or very soon after beating its 10 inversions by 1 giving it 11 inversions, i cant remember where but i remember feeling sorry for thorpe park lol <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">

Rob Wootten
05-06-2001, 10:51 AM
Even though it is apparently having 5 barrelrolls in a row, I think this coaster will be brilliant, just take a look at the theming that's already there, now add that to a coaster and you've got a really cool ride!
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<BR>To be honest, i think people will be glad that Thorpe got a coaster, even if somewhere else does get a coaster with 11 inversions!
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<BR>I've been thinking about the name, lots of people are suggesting Kraken, but I know that alot of people visit Florida and will have heard of that name. I still think it'll be to do with some mythical creature, maybe "Leviathan" although the story behind that may not fit it as well. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"><BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Rob Wootten on 2001-05-06 10:53 ]</font>

MarkRenwick
05-06-2001, 12:49 PM
only 4 barol rolls ina row their is a bend and the 5th rolls into the breaks
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<BR>ps-it uses magnetic breaks not normal breaks so very short break run!!!<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: MarkRenwick on 2001-05-06 12:50 ]</font>

davidhinds84
05-06-2001, 02:37 PM
I thought that as they are going to use magnetic breaks, it would be cool to end the ride with the last part of the cobraroll slotting into the station. But ive also heard that the last barrelroll is very near to the end, and hidden well so that you dont expect it.

coastergenius100
05-06-2001, 09:47 PM
I hope that the US will get one of these creeations by Intamin. I feel deprived of them. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif">

rollerboy182
05-07-2001, 10:03 AM
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<BR>I hope that the US will get one of these creeations by Intamin. I feel deprived of them. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif">
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<BR>HAHAHA that'll learn ya!! now you know how the rest of the world feels!!

Yankee Cannonball
05-21-2001, 08:43 PM
Atlantis will be breaking the record for most inversions on a roller coaster--shattering it, in fact. But I have some doubts about the coaster. I've heard the drop is only going to be ninety feet, and that five of the ten inversions will be barrel rolls. It sounds to me like a park with a mid-sized budget wanted a record-breaker and was determined to get it any way possible. I mean, I have nothing against Thorpe Park, and I am looking forward to seeing construction photos of it, but can it meet the hype, given its small size and relatively bland inversions?

Tyler Eaves
05-21-2001, 10:45 PM
You would rather have a ride with fewer inversions?

hatt
05-22-2001, 04:04 AM
Yeah, IMO the layout is terrible. I don't know, if Intamin is so uncreative to build 4 Barrel Rolls in one row (the fith one is after a turn). I think, it is just boring and not worth a trip from Germany to UK.
<BR>Greetings
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Fraser
05-22-2001, 04:19 AM
I'm in two minds about this one - and as I only live 20 minutes from Thorpe Park it won't hurt me to give Atlantis (or Project Odyssey as it's called at the moment) a try.
<BR>The layout does look rather unadventurous yes, but I do think the sight of seeing a train zip through 4 barrel rolls in a row will be quite exciting for your average punter - but I do take people's points that it's really a "Flat Ride in Coaster Clothing".
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<BR>But remember it may only be about 90 feet high - but lack og height hasn't stopped Nemesis from being a fantastic coaster.

Flix
05-22-2001, 04:22 AM
we won't know if it will be over hyped until we have acctually ridden it, whjich i might add, sounds quite an experience - doing seven vekoma(rough)inversions, i can't wait to do ten intamin(hopefully smooth)inversions <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif">

Colin Brown
05-22-2001, 04:30 AM
yes!i agree with you flix...and have you ridden the tornado at m+d's - i see you are from glasgow too) it is a sore a hell!what a poor ride...sorry, i had to get that off my chest!
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<BR>by the way...does thrope park have any other rollercoastres other than Atlantis

MarkRenwick
05-22-2001, 04:54 AM
You have to remember the ride is built for the general public not coaster enthusiasts.
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<BR>I think the ride will be good.

TrickTrack
05-22-2001, 11:49 AM
doing seven vekoma(rough)inversions, i can't wait to do ten intamin(hopefully smooth)inversions <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif">
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<BR>I wouldnt bet my money on it. When it comes to sit-down looping coasters Intamin should really get back to the drawing boards. Their LETHAL WEAPON uses the same cars and track as Monte Makaya and Atlantis. Those cars are horrible and the barrel rolls (if they are taken slowly) are not much fun.

Rob Wootten
05-22-2001, 01:04 PM
I'm just glad that Thorpe is getting a coaster! Record or no record!
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<BR>Why are Intamin's sit-down looper cars so awful? I've seen posts in the American forums about MF's cars saying that they are brilliant? How can a company make good seats for one caoster and awful ones for another?

MarkRenwick
05-22-2001, 05:08 PM
Thats because millennium force amd other intamin hypers use a competly different design to their looping coasters.

Graeme
05-22-2001, 05:39 PM
Overhyped? Not at all. All I keep hearing is that Atlantis will be rubbish, so it can only exceed our expectations!
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<BR>But really, if the inversions are taken at the right speed, it will be fantastic to ride.

Yankee Cannonball
05-22-2001, 07:00 PM
I agree that if the inversions are taken at the right speed it will be a good ride. But it's hard to reach the right speed when the drop is only ninety feet.... I know that Nemesis also has a short drop, but it only has four inversions. I'm not sure how well a train can make it through ten inversions when its max speed is only forty or fifty miles per hour.

Graeme
05-22-2001, 07:10 PM
What I meant is that I actually want slow inversions <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif">

Fraser
05-23-2001, 04:28 AM
Yes - there's this fallacy that you have to hit loops at high speed. Actually, if you hit a loop too fast then you'll break quite a few bones and cause a few arteries and eyeballs to pop. There are only really 5 "height inversions" on Atlantis - the loop, the cobra roll and the 2 corkscrews. The barrel rolls don't need extra speed to kick into them since they are twists.
<BR>So really Atlantis is a 5 looper with a final 5 twists.

wackadu
05-23-2001, 04:57 PM
Well, the uk has this problem where we have height restrictions at a lot of our parks, at thorpe park it is only 100 ft, and alton towers it is tree level! most of alton towers budget goes to digging holes everywhere! but we do still have some world class coasters!

Flix
05-23-2001, 05:25 PM
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<BR>Well, the uk has this problem where we have height restrictions at a lot of our parks
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<BR>yeah, but some don't(like bpb)but i see what you mean...does thrope have a rollercaoster before atlantis?they need a few more if they only have one!

Rob Wootten
05-24-2001, 01:06 PM
Nope, quite a few Thorpe's rides are water rides. There is a mini coaster there called "flying fish" but nothing else.

Fraser
05-24-2001, 03:41 PM
Rob, you've forgotten about Project X;? No Way Out - the backwards rollercoaster in the dark!
<BR>Actually, I'm not surprised you forgot about it - it is possibly the pantsest ride in the known universe. But it is a coaster, none-the-less.
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<BR>Fraser <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">

Rob Wootten
05-25-2001, 10:54 AM
My god so I did! Sorry bout that! I just never considered it a coaster as it was so poor! I think they should get rid of it, I thought it was amazingly dull!

Scoz
05-25-2001, 11:09 AM
I think that Atlantis isn't really hyped. I think that the 5 barrel rolls is taking it a bit too far because that will make it very intense but us coaster fans like that don't we!?

Ioa Master
05-25-2001, 11:55 AM
I Think Atlantis Is One Of The Worst Rides That Will Ever Be Built Because Practiclly The Whole Ride Is Barell Rolls And The Rest Is Loops Other Than Barrel Rolls.

Fraser
05-25-2001, 12:39 PM
Actually, the worst ride ever built is already at Thorpe Park -it's called Project x:/No Way Out. It is a terrible, terrible ride.
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Scoz
05-25-2001, 12:46 PM
I haven't been on X: > No Way Out
<BR>Some people say its quite cool though.

Fraser
05-25-2001, 01:51 PM
Trust me as a fellow Scot -it's not. And doesn't even deserve to mentioned on a board called "Thrill" ride.

thorpeuk
05-27-2001, 11:45 AM
Sorry but dont you think people have the right to build some hype on this ride. After all it may be 5 barrel rolls in a row, but it still is a worlds first !

Fraser
05-27-2001, 12:00 PM
I'm quite looking forward to Atlantis - unfashionable as that may be -it's Project X I'm complaining about.

thorpeuk
05-27-2001, 03:27 PM
Yep im looking forward to it too. If Tidal waves theming looked impresive too you, wait till you see Prigect Oddyseys !

davidhinds84
05-27-2001, 03:29 PM
i wouldnt say X:/no way out is a terrible ride, its fun because it goes backwards but i agree the new flashing lights they have make it a bit tacky <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif"> i think its still worth a ride though because its all they have there for the moment <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> I went there today actually and the new rides make it better, but ill talk about that more in a new topic.

rollercoasters 365
05-27-2001, 04:20 PM
I think that it will be a good ride. But not as good as others that are going to be in parks by 2002. I think that it will be a different but good experince to go through four inline twists in a row.

Fraser
05-27-2001, 04:23 PM
It'll be nice to NOT have to drive 4 hours to get on a decent coaster!

lukejpowell
05-27-2001, 09:54 PM
After thinking a little harder about Atlantis, I'm beginning to change my mind a little.
<BR>I realise now that it doesn't have to a succesion of different spaced out inversions to be good.
<BR>I think that considering the tightness of the layout, the multiple subterranean dives, the heavy themeing, it being built partly over the lake and it being designed by the worlds best coaster builder - it could be an extremely fun / intense ride <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">
<BR>Remeber, the Big One is huge, but rubbish. Nemesis is tiny, but excellent. ROLL ON ATLANTIS.
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<BR>Now I think some more I might begin to like the idea of a flying coaster (AIR)

shallowdays
05-28-2001, 02:51 AM
in my opion it looks like it was designed for one reason, to break the inversion record
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<BR>i'm fine with that but they could have done it with a little more creativity

Fraser
05-28-2001, 05:44 AM
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<BR>Have you ridden the Big One recently? I'll think you find it's getting much, much better with age.

Flix
05-28-2001, 07:17 AM
i'll have to agree with you there!
<BR>it seems to be running faster according to my friendwho went a few days ago...he says it feels alot rougher, but not too rough, enough to make it seem faster...he told me it goes faster throught the helix...did they remove the brake run there?

Andy Rathe
05-28-2001, 12:03 PM
If they did turn the brakes down then it's about time - I crawled throuh there last time I rode it!

CoasterKev2000
05-28-2001, 12:13 PM
What is up with the cheap way of puting in 5 damn barrel rolls

lukejpowell
05-28-2001, 12:50 PM
Yes I have ridden it recently and my opinion stands, it IS rubbish. No matter what happens (removing brakes or it getting old) it just won't ever be good, it's just too badly designed.
<BR>The first drop is excellent - granted, but the rest of the ride is just a succesion of slow and shallow ascents and descents completely lacking in any type of forces namely airtime.

MarkRenwick
05-28-2001, 04:33 PM
I think PMBO has got worst with age.

Andy Rathe
05-29-2001, 03:51 PM
I agree with likejpowell - first drop is great - right next to the sea front but the rest of it is just rough!

Chris Cox
06-01-2001, 06:44 PM
This is getting a bit off topic now so I am locking this post.
<BR>Thanks for all your comments.

Magnum will always rule!
07-20-2001, 05:35 PM
Do you think this coater will be boring and just put in so the park could claim the most inversion record? That's what I think.

Andy Hodgson
07-20-2001, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Magnum will always rule!
Do you think this coater will be boring and just put in so the park could claim the most inversion record? That's what I think.


i totally agree. i believe it was a desperate attempt to claim a coaster record.

ARROW GUY
07-21-2001, 04:10 AM
I with ya on this one. I am anxious to see it, but that's about it. I'd rather ride Son Of Beast backwards!;)

Skye
07-21-2001, 08:54 AM
But the UK needs a multilooper.its not the best ever but its ok,looks fun.better than not getting anything.

Andy Rathe
07-21-2001, 11:24 AM
I can see why some people think that it is just there to get a record, as it is not high, the length is short but they have squeezed in 10 inversions, including 5 in-line twists.

However, the UK needs a multi-inversion coaster as the largest number we have at present, (not counting boomerangs) is only four!

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the people who are saying that Atlantis is just there to get a record would not be saying anything negative if it was located in the United States!

Ste
07-21-2001, 01:51 PM
I agree. We could probably build a 500ft high coaster hitting 120mph and the yanks would proclaim it as crap, just becuase its not at SFMM or Cedar Point :p

no offence like ;)

Superman
07-21-2001, 05:16 PM
i think pretty much all of us agree

Natelox
07-21-2001, 05:42 PM
its just a regular coaster. is viper boaring? no, and its in the record books. dont expect coasters are gonna b great just because they get in the record book.

Andy Rathe
07-21-2001, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Natelox
its just a regular coaster. is viper boaring? no, and its in the record books. dont expect coasters are gonna b great just because they get in the record book.

None of us is saying that it will be great just because it is a record-breaking coaster!

What REALLY annoys us here in England is watching the USA get the vast majority of new coasters; and when we finally DO get a new ride several US people come on boards like this and slag it off when it isn't even built yet!

If it turns out to be crap, then we'll be the first to say so, but how can anyone say anything negative about a ride when they haven't ridden it? It's the same as all these SD2K vs. MF arguments - how many people saying that MF must be better (because it is in the USA) have ACTUALLY BEEN ON BOTH RIDES!

Skye
07-22-2001, 11:40 AM
Exactly,why do some people post here just to say how rubbish it will be?

serpent king
07-22-2001, 12:06 PM
just some stupid americans pissed we just lost another record to another country.

davidhinds84
07-22-2001, 01:01 PM
be honest... does it make a difference what so ever if it breaks a world record anyway?

Come on its not even a record worth boasting about!

Its gonna be a good rollercoaster purely on the fact we dont have a decent multi looper down south and it will give us all a new experience. Now let us have our fun :P

Cabbagelover
07-22-2001, 03:48 PM
I'm not sure that people in the U.S understand UK themeparks. We don't have the means or money to build the huge coasters in every park. When we build a ride, we theme it to its potential to give us the best experience possible.
Thorpe 2002 is going to be a quite exceptional British coaster. I've been on the site and I've seen all the plans. We have a queue line to die for and an amazing layout of the 5 spins. I think people should look at the ride being an experience at an affordable price.
So what if it doesn't cost 100 million. Are you trying to tell me you'd prefer to make coasters more expensive even when they provide the same forces. Oddysey - Thorpe's coaster project is the best we can get and I'm going to bloody well enjoy it.

PaulD
07-22-2001, 04:28 PM
What do I think of Atlantis, I think that Atlantis will be a Great Coaster regaurdless of the layout, Some of you americans just dont understand that Here in England, we dont really have any Multi Loopers, and Atlantis Tops the Bill superbly. So what if there are 5 Inline Twists in a Row, I am sure Intermin have thought of this and Designed it so no one will feel Sick afterwards because I do agree, it could be very disoriantating(sp)

but I cant believe you Americans are complaing about this Ride(Seems that quite a lot of you are Jelous to me) You know, I would be very suprised to see your reactions to this Ride if it was being built in a park like SFMM,Cedar Point or any Top park in America, Would you still say its a cheap way to get the record if that happened. I also find it incredibly Stupid of you Americans to say this ride will be Boring etc, This Ride hasnt even been built yet and wont be open until April 2002, Just give it a Chance, Its crazy to say things like that when the ride has'nt been built yet. Just wait till the reviews come in, and see what happens.

ItsyourOddessey
07-22-2001, 05:17 PM
thorpe park, remember is not like ioa or any six flags park as they don't have as much money as all teh american parks and also they are trying to boost attendence and what would b the point in waisting $15 million on a B&M if it won't atracct people and also if this does work then apparently they are lookin into more stuff. and the height of the coaster is the limit tp can buid because of restrictions. Remember if it has a drop and loops it is a coaster. it looks quite good supports and track just arrived aswell

SkeeJ
07-22-2001, 11:29 PM
It looks cool, cause on RCDB they have models of it, and it makes numorous underground passes.

Kraken
07-23-2001, 12:50 AM
Looks like alot of people are really jelous."Oh no, the Brits are getting something nice! Oh my god, it's not going to be in America, whatever shall we do! All the record breakers have to be in America! Well...um...it must suck. Yea, I wouldn't ride it even if it was here!I'm not missing out on anything".

davidhinds84
07-23-2001, 05:31 AM
the model you saw was the one in thorpe park! They are also getting one similar for alton towers new ride "AIR".

Tracks and support have now arrived and the colour scheme is:

Track: Aquamarine
Supports: Cream

Someone also mentioned that the track looks more B&M style unlike its "thinner" track, but it may just be the Lift hill thats bigger.

Steve Batchelor
07-23-2001, 07:27 AM
CLAP CLAP CLAP

Guys, you lot in the States really should cool down a little. Why trash Atlantis? Who really knows what it will look like and what it will play like? I mean models and stuff are one thing but the way in which it's designed will make all the difference.

I'll use a HUGE example for you; Nemesis. It's not the biggest, it's not the fastest nor the highest. When it was being designed I am sure that people on boards just like this moaned all about it, saying how it was just a little coaster and that it wouldn't perform. In fact I even remember my friend from Minneapolis coming over and laughing when he saw the layout and designs. You can bet he wasn't laughing when he rode the damn thing! Nemesis turned out to be, and remains, one of the best coasters in the world. The exact same designer is working on Atlantis so he sure as hell isn't going to let it be a disappointment is he? Just give the damn thing a break and lets all wait and see.

No, it's not in America, no, the parks can't build things as big as you guys can because we have very stringent laws governing what we can and can't build. I am possitive that the very best will be made out of what can be done, there is little point complaining that it isn't 300ft high, we will likely never get a hyper or similar in one of our Themeparks other that BPB or maybe Fantasy Island. Why can't you just be happy for what we are getting? At the end off the day guys, you lot in the USA should be happy that it's not you with these planning laws and stop complaining about something not even being built in your country. Haven't you got enough already? X? Nitro? Deja Vu? Goliath?? Need I go on and on? I rarely see UK people whining about what you get built and we don't?


Chill out people. When it opens, you'll be sure to geta postcard from us happy brits. Let us have a little bit of glory that we are getting somethign new. Who cares if it's not as big as your one.....sheeeeeeesh.

:rolleyes:

davidhinds84
07-23-2001, 09:11 AM
well said.

Steve Batchelor
07-23-2001, 09:35 AM
Why thankyou sir.

;)

davidhinds84
07-23-2001, 10:13 AM
no really... well said! Ive seen alot of these arguements and you've finished this one off nicely wihout offending anyone.

Ste
07-23-2001, 10:45 AM
Yup. you'd have thought they'd learn a lesson from nemesis eh ;)

It beats every other inverted for shear intensity and themeing (bar perhaps DD @ IOA) :)

Andy Rathe
07-23-2001, 03:07 PM
Yes, Steve-in-London: a very well put point of view, and one I completely agree with!

Honan Beetch
07-23-2001, 03:53 PM
Who cares about all that crap? It's still not made by B&M! The layout of the ride pretty much sucks! I mean 4 zero-g rolls in a row? It may sound cool, but they're just trying to break the record for the most inversions. Don't worry, B&M will claim that record again soon. 10 inversion does sound cool, but it's not that great on a coaster like Atlantis: The Ride.

davidhinds84
07-23-2001, 04:44 PM
I cant believe you posted that! especially after reading the above!
So what it isnt a B&M, its not just trying to break the world record its just trying to be a semi dcent rollercoaster for us brits, NOTHING ELSE! no one has said a word about Atlantis apart from people from the US and its all negative, didnt your mum ever tell you
"if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all" ?!

Well i think this case applies!

Im sorry but i am sticking up for my hometown park wether you like it or not, and thats not the reason why i am.

God just when people started to get the idea!

Thrill Rider
07-23-2001, 04:56 PM
I love the whole ten inversion idea, but I wish they would have designed the ride with a bigger variety of inversions rather than 5 back to back zero-g rolls.

NemesisRider
07-23-2001, 05:08 PM
Yeah the 5 barrel rolls may sound bad but, the trains would probably not make it round 5 'non-flat' inversions such as a corkscrew or vertical loop. Thorpe just really need a decent coaster to attract come attention and to get a record quickly and easily is probably the best way to do it!! :D

DragonSamurai
07-24-2001, 02:27 AM
ARRRGGG people

Stop with the nationalistic pride!!!

Good 4 u that you now have the worlds most "inverted coaster" lol

I think its great cause now some park here in the US or in japan will decide To break the record......creating a new and exiting coaster...the progress will continue..more coasters built...more happy coaster riders..:)

I think its good that they build something recordbraking as long as its quality justifies it being a world class ride..and i dont doubt that it will be good

Andy Rathe
07-24-2001, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Honan Beetch
Who cares about all that crap? It's still not made by B&M! The layout of the ride pretty much sucks! I mean 4 zero-g rolls in a row? It may sound cool, but they're just trying to break the record for the most inversions. Don't worry, B&M will claim that record again soon. 10 inversion does sound cool, but it's not that great on a coaster like Atlantis: The Ride.

Who cares what the LAYOUT looks like; I'm sure people said Nemesis' layout looked boring but it became one of the greatest coasters in the world! I'm not saying that Atlantis will be as good, but give the thing a chance! Wait until you have ridden it before you knock it!

Also, to the US person above who said for everyone to stop the nationalistic pride; everyone here in Europe knows that some of the US people posting are 10 times worse than anyone else when it comes to boasting about what rides they possess, saying "mine is better than yours", etc!

Honan Beetch
07-24-2001, 02:04 PM
It's not a matter of nationalism we're talking about. We all agree that Atlantis: The Ride has a pretty plain layout. Who ever said that Nemesis' layout was boring? It's has a great layout! Atlantis The Ride has a boring layout because the inversions just come right after the other. There's not much variety in the coaster, element-wise. It's all just inversions and then the ride is over. Is the coaster really going to be all white? Yuck! That's not a really attractive factor.

Skye
07-24-2001, 02:15 PM
Honan Beetch, if you think that then you are missing out.While us in the UK are riding it americans can think its rubbish,they will be missing out.This area needs a coaster,whatever it is.The colour (sorry,"color") is very similar to Kraken.The Uk has a higher concentration of coasters than anywhere in the world by 2003.remember they are getting one in 2003,Atlantis is just 1 of 2 coasters.

Did you get those Bandit pics yet?

Kraken
07-24-2001, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Honan Beetch
It's not a matter of nationalism we're talking about. We all agree that Atlantis: The Ride has a pretty plain layout. Who ever said that Nemesis' layout was boring? It's has a great layout! Atlantis The Ride has a boring layout because the inversions just come right after the other. There's not much variety in the coaster, element-wise. It's all just inversions and then the ride is over. Is the coaster really going to be all white? Yuck! That's not a really attractive factor.

All white not good? The Wild One at Six Flags America must be really ugly then. And 1 inversion after another? Hmm, Medusa east and Kumba must all suck because they have 1 inversion after another. I don't understand how you can say 4 consecutive barrel rolls will be BORING! Besides, Thorpe park really needs an awsome coaster. The fastest one right now only goes 20 miles per hour.

davidhinds84
07-24-2001, 06:25 PM
im sorry to have to say this but it all boils down to one thing... jealousy,none of you would of said anything otherwise.

I dont like some of the US coasters you have, but i keep my mouth shut because no one wants to hear someone say negative comments about a rollercoaster they may like.

Then again I havent ever seen a post started by someone non English stating their Postive thoughts to a non US rollercoaster.

I think we should end this arguement right now,

Atlantis has not been built yet, no one knows what it will be like to ride or see it without its themeing and until it has been fully contructed.

It may be an amazing ride, or on the other hand it may flop.

One thing is for sure, you have no right to put it down the way you all have until you have seen and ridden it for yourselves, and you cannot say the same for us because we didnt bring this up, it was someone from the US stating their negative opinions (what a supprise)

I have nothing against the US or any other particular country, but i have seen more and more of this happening and it is getting right on my nerves. Some people from the US have even noticed and have tried to convince people too, i think its time you guys all listened to them.

From now on I will not post on this topic, im leaving the Moderators to deal with this one from now on.

Steve Batchelor
07-25-2001, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by Kraken


All white not good? The Wild One at Six Flags America must be really ugly then. And 1 inversion after another? Hmm, Medusa east and Kumba must all suck because they have 1 inversion after another. I don't understand how you can say 4 consecutive barrel rolls will be BORING! Besides, Thorpe park really needs an awsome coaster. The fastest one right now only goes 20 miles per hour.



THANKYOU KRAKEN!!!!!

Wooohooooo!!! An intelligent comment at last from someone!! Give the guy a standing ovation for being able to see further than his own front yard.

I'll bite your wax tadpole for that!


:p

Ste
07-25-2001, 04:33 AM
lol :D

ldaniels69
07-25-2001, 11:47 AM
I think we are all forgetting about other elements that can make a huge difference on a coaster:

1: The coaster is over water!

2: We dont know if they will intergrate tunnelled sections

3:

ldaniels69
07-25-2001, 11:49 AM
sorry, oops:

3: Trees, plant and structures can really make a difference !

I think Atlantis will be ok, fine, five rolls in a row is a bit excessive - but none of us have ever had the experience before AND with the things listed included - could be very exciting!

Lew x

DeKalb
07-25-2001, 01:31 PM
I don't really care who gets the record breakers, but if you haven't noticed, the US doesen't have the "tallest coaster" record, that goes to Japan and the Steel Dragon 2000. And it's kinda sad that there's actually gonna be a deka-looper while I designed so many on RCT. It's sad because I'll never get to ride it and because it couldn't be at a park I owned/had close to my house.

Kraken
07-25-2001, 02:42 PM
4 rolls is gonna be so awsome, escpecially if it only goes about 20 mph through them. You would be spinning nonstop, and weightless! Plus, after a loop, it tunnels, goes over an airtime hill, then into another tunel, and as soon as it comes out of the second tunnel, it goes into a Cobra Roll! Then after it finishes the Cobra Roll, it dives back underground! It's worth an hour wait just for that! And did I mention the double corkscrew? Also it being built by the same people who brought you Millennium Force and Superman: Ride of Steel.

P.S. Steve: The tadpole belongs to the Coca-Cola corporation.

DragonSamurai
07-25-2001, 03:45 PM
LOL Andy I was refering to EVERYONE Including my countrymen (citizens of the USA)

Cant we all realize that this is a great step in the evolution of coasters....

And Kraken is right..i dont think this will be a borring ride at all.
sounds prety extreeme to me those 4 in a row!!

...i just think that instead of geting mad that another country is getting such and such coaster ..we should be glad because parks follow trends...and if the trend is to break records.....recordbrakers will be made...like i said the more coasters the better..just gives me more excuses to go to Europe

:)

Andy Rathe
07-25-2001, 04:27 PM
I know you meant everyone! I was just a touch defensive after what, IMHO, is unjust criticism of an as-yet unbuilt new ride!

Monkee
07-25-2001, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Honan Beetch
Who cares about all that crap? It's still not made by B&M! The layout of the ride pretty much sucks! I mean 4 zero-g rolls in a row? It may sound cool, but they're just trying to break the record for the most inversions. Don't worry, B&M will claim that record again soon. 10 inversion does sound cool, but it's not that great on a coaster like Atlantis: The Ride.

And you would know because you have riden it havent you:rolleyes:.

Also, yes the 2 main sections off the ride are inversion after inversion, but its broken up by tunnels in the first section[Drop, loop,in tunnel, out off tunnel, in tunnel into cobra roll,out of cobra roll, into tunnel, corkscrew, into tunnel,corkscrew, incline.] and corners and drops in the 2nd section[corner, corner, 4 barrel rolls which are a single, whole element, not 4 seperate barrel rolls so its possible it will ride completely diffrently from normal barrel rolls, small drop, corner, corner, barrel roll, brake run to station].

As many people have said above, it may not be a great ride, however its just as likely that it will be a great ride, so shut up until you have

A Been on it.
B Rode an exact clone[if there is one built], with the exact same theming and tunnels, and so on.

Honan Beetch
07-26-2001, 03:41 AM
Actually, I take back all what I said. Sorry for causing you all such stress. I've been completely brainwashed into thinking that Atlantis: The Ride is going to be awesome. YES! The ride is going to be quite unique. I mean is it really going to be built over water? Sweet! I thought it was going to be all white. Sorry about making that all white coasters being ugly thing as well. I was probably being grumpy when I wrote all of that stuff. Come to think of it, 4 consecutive barrell rolls does seem awesome! I researched Roller Coaster Database and found out that the coaster will only be about 98 feet tall and will travel at 45 miles per hour. Hey, I don't know how Intamin engineers their coasters, but I sure know they design them to retain full speed all throughout the ride. Atlantis: The Ride will be an awesome coaster when it opens! Has vertical construction started already on the roller coaster?

Monkee
07-26-2001, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by Honan Beetch
I researched Roller Coaster Database and found out that the coaster will only be about 98 feet tall and will travel at 45 miles per hour. Hey, I don't know how Intamin engineers their coasters, but I sure know they design them to retain full speed all throughout the ride.

The same height as Nemesis.....so this means Nemesis is rubbish because its not even 100ft tall? Unlike the states, we have stringent planning laws, 95% off our parks cant just put up a 250ft lift hill that can be seen for miles around.

Uhm.....a brand new type off train, that is far more energy efficent, see this is what people mean, your commenting on a ride you have not even looked at in depth, and are judging in on height, speed and a blueprint, despite the fact the coaster is not even built let alone running yet.

davidhinds84
07-26-2001, 11:26 AM
im back, thankgod not everyone is negative! Thankyou those who are going to give it a chance, im not expecting everyone to like it but as long as some people are positive :)

BTW i think he was being posititve when he said that ^^^^^

Inferno
07-30-2001, 01:15 AM
I think it would be an ok coaster, not too great, I mean, it does have 5 in-line twists, which are pretty boring, I'd much rather have a giant loop or immelman! This coaster probably is just an attempt at the record. If they wanted to, it could be a lot better, Example: 3 verticle/diving loops, bommerang, 3 corkscrews, 2 twists. Many other combinations would be better! Like I said, this ride does seem like an attempt at the record, but I'm not just saying that because the record for most inversions wasn't in the USA anyway, it was tied between South America and Spain's coaster! There is an European coaster that does intrigue me though. That coaster is Odessey, the custom SLC, that will be the world's tallest and fastest inverted and highest loop on any coaster to date. Now that, looks sweet!

Gareth Lewis
07-30-2001, 05:43 PM
Actually I think 5 barrel rolls in a roll sounds awesome. Bare in mind the coaster isnt very high so it would be impossible to have any other kind of inversions at the end other than flat ones.

Give the thing a chance for gods sake, it could be good could be bad but I think as long as its smooth 5 rolls in a row seems cool.

zsteinert
07-30-2001, 06:29 PM
Atlantis looks fairly boring. It would still be boring even if it were at MM or CP! But the inline twists in a row look pretty fun.

DyingDutchman
07-30-2001, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by davidhinds84
im back, thankgod not everyone is negative! Thankyou those who are going to give it a chance, im not expecting everyone to like it but as long as some people are positive :)

BTW i think he was being posititve when he said that ^^^^^

Your right... most people are negative.. guess thats how the world works.

antfarm007
08-01-2001, 10:15 AM
the combinations of inversions are bad, but i want to ride it

Chip
08-01-2001, 06:57 PM
Atlantis looks boring. It's only 90 ft. tall and has four different types of inversions! Come on! It has five barrel rolls. It's exactly like Monte Makaya only it has two more barrel rolls. That's boring. Why couldn't Intamin spring for something crazy like having a vertical loop, zero-g roll, immelman, cobra roll, pretzel knot, two corkscrews and a barrel roll. That's ten inversions and it's sure to leave you dizzy. I think twisting every which way would be better than just spinning in heartline rolls like Atlantis. I bet B&M could make a better coaster with ten inversions! Compare B&M's Dragon Khan to Intamin's Monte Makaya! Who has the wider variety of inversions? Dragon Khan: vertical loop, dive loop, zero-g roll, cora roll, vertical loop, twin corkscrews. That's five different types of inversions! Monte Makaya: Vertical loop, cobra roll, twin corkscrews, three barrel rolls. It only has three different types of inversions!

DyingDutchman
08-01-2001, 07:01 PM
whoever said odyssey looks good is right! i wish i could go there to get on it one day!

Nemesisforever
08-01-2001, 08:02 PM
Way I see it: UK's only serious contender for "world class park" is Alton (what with Nemesis and Oblivion and next year's Air), so I'm thankful to the extreme that Atlantis is being built at another park besides AT.

Thorpe is a park in serious need of attention -

I haven't been there in a few years but last time I went it was seriously lacking, all it had was "Europe's biggest log flume" which, lets face it, is a load of b******s", and apart from that no coasters to speak of.

A 10-looper at Thorpe is, whether a record-breaker or not, a major step for the park. The US has got Millenium Force, Goliath, etc. so if any U.S. users really do have a problem, perhaps they should relax - they got plenty of their own precedent-setters to ride.

I just really want to ride it, I dont care abt anything else.

DyingDutchman
08-01-2001, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Nemesisforever
Way I see it: UK's only serious contender for "world class park" is Alton (what with Nemesis and Oblivion and next year's Air), so I'm thankful to the extreme that Atlantis is being built at another park besides AT.

Thorpe is a park in serious need of attention -

I haven't been there in a few years but last time I went it was seriously lacking, all it had was "Europe's biggest log flume" which, lets face it, is a load of b******s", and apart from that no coasters to speak of.

A 10-looper at Thorpe is, whether a record-breaker or not, a major step for the park. The US has got Millenium Force, Goliath, etc. so if any U.S. users really do have a problem, perhaps they should relax.

I just really want to ride it, I dont care abt anything else.

im with ya!

Nemesisforever
08-01-2001, 08:19 PM
Yeah, plus one more thing:

I cant say I've ever found an in line twist boring, so I dont see 4 in a row any different, in fact, thats just one more reason i cant wait to ride it - 4 in a row, wow!!!

DyingDutchman
08-01-2001, 08:21 PM
who who who!!! HOLD ON THERE!!!!!!!!!!! DID YOU SAY FIVE IN A ROW?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?! i miss read it and i didnt see the in a row part! ok now im going there NOW! (not really coz the park sucks)

DyingDutchman
08-01-2001, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by Andy Rathe
I can see why some people think that it is just there to get a record, as it is not high, the length is short but they have squeezed in 10 inversions, including 5 in-line twists.

However, the UK needs a multi-inversion coaster as the largest number we have at present, (not counting boomerangs) is only four!

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the people who are saying that Atlantis is just there to get a record would not be saying anything negative if it was located in the United States!


Originally posted by Andy Rathe
I agree. We could probably build a 500ft high coaster hitting 120mph and the yanks would proclaim it as crap, just becuase its not at SFMM or Cedar Point

no offence like




You both are just saying THAT because your BRITISH! hypocrites... lol. i mean yes a am completely WOW!ed by 10 inversions and 4 in line twists in a row, but thats basically its only WOW! thing. i mean it just doesnt look like that great of a ride.

Nemesisforever
08-01-2001, 08:37 PM
Ha!

You'll probably find that the majority of people who live in this country (the UK that is) arent what you'd call patriotic. I'm certainly not in love with this country.

Nope, Im afraid that if Id heard abt Atlantis being built in some other country Id want to ride it just as much. The only thing that makes me look forward to it even more is the fact that it is so close to me, for once.

;)

davidhinds84
08-03-2001, 06:49 AM
to be perfectly honest im just gonna love it because its near to me, has plenty of fun inversions and has a big drop for what im used to. It wont be as big as your coasters in the US i think everyone knows that, but its gonna be great for the people its being built for... US (not US as in america) so lets just leave it at that.

Skye
08-03-2001, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Nemesisforever
Ha!

You'll probably find that the majority of people who live in this country (the UK that is) arent what you'd call patriotic. I'm certainly not in love with this country.

;)

know what you mean. I think a lot of people on this board are jealous of it being in the uk.why? its not like the us holds the most inversion record anyway. If you dont want to ride it you dont have to,people in the uk get to ride a great coaster if you want to think its no good then its no loss to anyone else.

Honan Beetch
08-09-2001, 08:26 AM
You Brits are SOOO lucky to be getting a multi-inversion coaster like Atlantis. How's construction goin' anyway? Should the first inversion be up (vertical loop)?

KoasterKing
08-09-2001, 09:56 AM
dosent the ride have 5 barrel rolls in a row? well if it does thats pretty lame you can now tell they just did this to say our park has a coaster with 10 inverisions.....and why would you name a coaster just atlantis thats boring and stupid(this is all IMO)

davidhinds84
08-10-2001, 02:05 PM
its not called atlantis, its just something that caught on until we find out the real name, maybe they did add an extra barrel roll to make it the most ever, doesnt bother me... the more the better! :):):):):):)

may the FORCE be with you
08-10-2001, 02:26 PM
I'm from the US, but i think the ride will be awesome. Every ride Intamin has out out in the last few years have been the best rides on the planet, and i'm 100% sure that this will be no exception.

Sfgadv_Fan
08-10-2001, 05:12 PM
Loop after loop, thats all, it looks like its really boring, Im really not that anxious of seeing it. It looks really dumb! :(

Inferno
08-10-2001, 06:05 PM
Seems like it will be similar to Monte Makaya in South America, currently tied for the record of 8 inversions, except it will have a couple more barrell rolls.

B&M Fanatic
08-11-2001, 10:02 AM
I think this coaster is so stupid. I mean having 5 barrel rolls in a row just to break the record is the most rediculos thing I jave ever heard of.

Andy Rathe
08-11-2001, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by B&M Fanatic
I think this coaster is so stupid. I mean having 5 barrel rolls in a row just to break the record is the most rediculos thing I jave ever heard of.

You could just as easily say that having a coaster go above 300 feet "just to break a record" (know which one I mean?) is stupid!

I'll re-iterate my point - give the thing a chance! 4 consecutive barrel rolls - the fifth is separate - has not been done before, we should be excited by this latest development, not criticising it before it has even opened!

davidhinds84
08-11-2001, 02:57 PM
wow thats a really good statement actually, just cos it breaks the world record doesnt mean you have to hate it!

And you say its going to be boring!!!!!!!!!! what rollercoasters dont you find boring, isnt 10 inversions enough to keep you awake?!?!?!

If you think about it almost every rollercoaster has a worlds first because its never been done before, atlantis is the first rollercoaster tofeature 10 inversions with 4 of them over a lake. Its also the first rollercoaster to feature aquamarine track and cream supports with a cobra roll, now do you see what i mean...

If we liked the ride because it was a worlds first then we would have an excuse to love every ride, im purely gonna love this ride because its got loads of cool inversions, and ive never ridden a cobra roll before.

I think this has a lot to do with americans have higher expectations than us due to their variety of rollercoasters.