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Matt M
05-09-2001, 10:23 PM
who thinks Bush is a moron and won unfairly, I do, can he play RCT? I heard Dick Cheney has

Flix
05-10-2001, 11:39 AM
well, this should be in general forum i think. what a poor post!you tried to make it rct related by adding that rct thing at the end, what a load of balls.post are getting poor these days

Jonathan Gelert
05-10-2001, 01:25 PM
This does belong in the General Forum. I'll move it.

Halation
05-10-2001, 01:54 PM
Yes, I think Dubya is a complete moron. The startling fact is that half of the people in this countery who voted, voted for HIM.
<BR>I don't think Gore would be that great of a president, but he would SURELY be better than this fool. Didn't people remember what his daddy got us into? He got us into the gulf war by creating Saddam Hussein for an "enemy". He was involved with the Iran-Contra affair. He attacked Panama and killed thousands of innocent civillians. He LIED about "no new taxes". "Read My Lips" George Bush and his son are EVIL. Working for global corporations, i.e. pharmaceutical, and oil companies with only an interest in MORE MONEY and MORE POWER. At least Gore
<BR>had been serving his country for 20 some
<BR>years as a senator. Dubya just rode his daddies' coattails into office. Disgraceful.<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Halation on 2001-05-10 13:55 ]</font>

Tyler Eaves
05-10-2001, 02:02 PM
At least he isn't on the chinese payroll like some administrations I could name...

HersheyGuy
05-10-2001, 04:24 PM
I dislike him. I think he is an idiot. I also think he will get us into some kind of war. Only time will tell...

Halation
05-10-2001, 07:56 PM
Oh, is China the Russia for Americans to hate? You sure talk like it is. You just wait to see what this administration will get us into. They've already got us into this spy plane flap, and Bush wants to stinks MORE oil out of the Earth , in one of the last pristine wildernesses in this country, so us Amerkkans can have the cheapest gas in the world. It's our birtright gadammit. Bush has turned thr presidency of "the most powerful nation on Earth" into a joke.
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coastergenius100
05-10-2001, 08:39 PM
What are you guys atalking about, was there some kind of RCT tourniment that George Bush was in and am I missing something big?

Tom Zeliff
05-10-2001, 09:11 PM
Bush is a <!-- BBCode Start --><B>blithering moron</B><!-- BBCode End --> who has no business running a country, state, or even a baseball team. I also don't like how he's for sale to the highest bidding corporation.
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<BR>-Tom

coaster man098
05-10-2001, 09:28 PM
dubbya is a moron. i mean gore won the popular vote. if it wasn't for that Cathrine
<BR>Harris person declaring W the winner ever 5 minutes Gore just might of won. i mean when was the last time gore use the word "strategery" instead gore would get rid or the word and put it in a lockbox.
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<BR>(ok, that was a thing about strategery and lockbox is off of an SNL skit, for all you wondering)

Tyler Eaves
05-11-2001, 08:07 AM
At least Bush won't be an embarassment to our country.

CoasterFreak2k
05-11-2001, 09:42 AM
Right on Tyler!!
<BR>Why does everyone think that Bush is an idiot.
<BR>I KNOW!! its because the maror news companys (abc, nbc, cnn) are democratic favor. And they will do anything and everything to try to make Bush look bad. The democrats are in a bad position because in the first time in so many years...the democrats has lost power.
<BR>And i think we know who to blame....CLINTON.
<BR>That man was such a big embarissmant to the country...what do you think he is going to go down in the history books...The president who lied, cheated, and the second president to have tried to have been impeached. Looks good democrats??? I think not.
<BR>Then you had Gore...the whining little two year old who just could not accept the fact that he lost. Each time that he did not win it was always "I WANT A RECOUNT" and we did this over and over and over again. And still Bush won. Fair and square. Face it democrats...you lost!! Get over it!!

Jonathan Gelert
05-11-2001, 01:36 PM
I know Bush has done some silly, even stupid things, but he isn't a moron. He has been wrongly portrayed, IMHO, as an idiot. He was better educated than Gore, and more humble. IMHO, the reason Bush "is a moron" is because of liberal bias in the media. NBC was replaying SNL skits mocking Bush the morning after, and they never did that to anyone else. Bush did not get us into the spy-plane situation. It would have happened no matter who was in the White House. If Gore was president, everyone would be commenting on how well Gore handled it (probably would have settled it the same way too). That's all I have to say about that.

Tyler Eaves
05-11-2001, 01:44 PM
No if Gore had handled it, he would probably have let the Chinese keep it, and out aviators, in the name of "improving realations with our <!-- BBCode Start --><B><!-- BBCode Start --><I>MOST FAVORED NATION</I><!-- BBCode End --></B><!-- BBCode End -->", which is absolutely BS!

Halation
05-11-2001, 01:46 PM
Well, hmmmm, let me seee........why is Bush a moron?.......Well first of all, when he went to college, the ONLY reason he got in was because his family was RICH. Certainly NOT because of his SAT scores. There have been real documented facts showing that Bush beat out low income applicants with HIGHER SAT scores than him. Bush didn't finish college "mentally" until he was 40 years old. Alcohol and cocaine use. Failed savings and loan bailed out at taxpayers expense. No political experience before "becoming" governor. State with highest number of executions in the "free world". On, top of that, mocking a condemmed murder by saying "please dont kill me, please, please!" Texas has the LOWEST test scores in the COUNTRY. HIGHEST POLLUTION. The is only growing every month.....

Halation
05-11-2001, 01:47 PM
Well, hmmmm, let me seee........why is Bush a moron?.......Well first of all, when he went to college, the ONLY reason he got in was because his family was RICH. Certainly NOT because of his SAT scores. There have been real documented facts showing that Bush beat out low income applicants with HIGHER SAT scores than him. Bush didn't finish college "mentally" until he was 40 years old. Alcohol and cocaine use. Failed savings and loan bailed out at taxpayers expense. No political experience before "becoming" governor. State with highest number of executions in the "free world". On, top of that, mocking a condemmed murder by saying "please dont kill me, please, please!" Texas has the LOWEST test scores in the COUNTRY. HIGHEST POLLUTION. The list is growing every month.....

Halation
05-11-2001, 01:52 PM
By the way, this whole myth about the media being "liberal" is such B.S. Who do you think owns the media? Companies like G.E. and R.C.A. are the largest contributers to right wing candidates in this country. They own the media and YOUR BEING LIED TO EVERY DAY!! You people need to get your heads out of your asses and wake up. YOU HAVE NO CLUE!!!!

Halation
05-11-2001, 01:53 PM
Well, hmmmm, let me seee........why is Bush a moron?.......Well first of all, when he went to college, the ONLY reason he got in was because his family was RICH. Certainly NOT because of his SAT scores. There have been real documented facts showing that Bush beat out low income applicants with HIGHER SAT scores than him. Bush didn't finish college "mentally" until he was 40 years old. Alcohol and cocaine use. Failed savings and loan bailed out at taxpayers expense. No political experience before "becoming" governor. State with highest number of executions in the "free world". On, top of that, mocking a condemmed murder by saying "please dont kill me, please, please!" Texas has the LOWEST test scores in the COUNTRY. HIGHEST POLLUTION. The list is growing every month.....

Tyler Eaves
05-11-2001, 01:54 PM
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<BR>On 2001-05-11 13:52, Halation wrote:
<BR>By the way, this whole myth about the media being "liberal" is such B.S. Who do you think owns the media? Companies like G.E. and R.C.A. are the largest contributers to right wing candidates in this country. They own the media and YOUR BEING LIED TO EVERY DAY!! You people need to get your heads out of your asses and wake up. YOU HAVE NO CLUE!!!!
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<BR>Bullsh1t. The media is owned mainly by AOL/Time Warner, who are very liberal. and Disney, who are even MORE liberal. Get your facts straight. Your're the one without a clue.

Tom Zeliff
05-11-2001, 02:08 PM
The media report the facts. Pure and simple. Every news cast I've been watching presents the facts of the situation, and also opposing veiws to it. The media themselves do not make opinions on the news casts.
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<BR>Bush is quite for sale though. Recently he appointed a couple of dozen new ambassidors to other countries, most of which have no diplomatic experiance! All they did was make really large contributions to W's campaign. All of W's campaign promises about protecting the environment have also gone out the window. And oddly enough he and Cheney both are in favor of cutting research into alternative fuels and power supplies in favor of drilling for more oil. Kinda wierd, but oh wait...they're both involved in big oil companies!!!
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<BR>W is merely a puppet (and a stupid one at that) being controled by the people and corporations with the largest checks. He is certainly not concerned with the common man.
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<BR>-Tom

Jonathan Gelert
05-11-2001, 06:09 PM
Wow...this is a hot topic. On to 100!

Jim Payne
05-12-2001, 10:44 AM
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<BR>when he went to college, the ONLY reason he got in was because his family was RICH. Certainly NOT because of his SAT scores.
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<BR>Just for the record, GW had higher SAT scores and a higher exit GPA than Al Gore.
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Jim Payne
05-12-2001, 10:47 AM
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<BR>On 2001-05-10 21:28, coaster man098 wrote:
<BR>i mean gore won the popular vote. if it wasn't for that Cathrine
<BR>Harris person declaring W the winner ever 5 minutes Gore just might of won. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE><!-- BBCode Quote End -->
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<BR>Unless you missed election night, weren't all of the liberal media outlets reporting that Gore had won before the polls even closed in Florida? Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll put my highly taxed paycheck on it. As for the popular vote, Clinton only had 43% of the "Popular Vote" and 46% the second time. What do they teach in Government classes anymore? Good Grief. It's a election by the states. Each state by its number of representatives. No wonder everyone is worried about education these days. People aren't learning the basics.<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Jim Payne on 2001-05-12 11:18 ]</font>

Jim Payne
05-12-2001, 11:01 AM
First of all...
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<BR>Bush ran on a 1.3 Trillion Dollar tax cut. Well, it just went through the House and Senate.
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<BR>The problems with China are due to Clintons campaign activities. Now that they aren't in the back pocket of an American President things have changed I guess.
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<BR>In case you missed it, the students from Gore's class have stated that he is a moron who taught them nothing.
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<BR>The energy crisis? You can thank the liberals for that as well. No Republican in their right mind would block construction of a power plant.
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<BR>As for high fuel costs... How about MTBE. Liberals said lets add it, even if it does cost 18 cents a gallon. We then found out it causes cancer and hurts the environment and it's eventually being taken out. I suppose this is big oils fault too.
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<BR>As for who owns the media... Ted Turner ring a bell??? That's just a start. Liberals are so quick to label conservatives as morons these days that it's just insane.
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<BR>Don't like the death penalty, well, I guess because of too many protection laws, McVee will be walking the streets thanks to a poor Clinton Justice Department that mishandled evidence (there's a nice thought).
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<BR>A belief in a society where everyone is equal is a nice thought, but it is also a sham, and it's also called socialism. America is about Democracy and if you don't like it well, that's your problem. Move to some socialist country and see how you like it. Want free medical treatment, go to Canada where they run out of money after 9 months every year. Want distributed income, ask a Russian how it was to live under Communist rule where choice was not an option. Want more Government regulation, elect a Democrat, I'm sure that some day they will sue the rollercoaster industry because some people can and can't ride them. You don't think this will happen, just take a look around you. Now who's the wimp??? Probably some liberal that thinks everyone should be equal. This way no one is ever offended and everyone can live in this wonderful playground of life without a care or responsibility in the world. None of us are perfect, and I think we all know that, but handing our problems over to a government isn't the answer.
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<BR>You see folks, Democrats have a new term of late, one that many should be concerned about. They use the term "Progessive". Look it up in Websters. It means having socialist persuation. It doesn't matter what belief system you have, this should concern everyone. Not standing up against it is simply a mistake. Now that is being a wimp! <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">
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CoasterFreak2k
05-12-2001, 11:50 AM
Nicely Said!!

Jab
05-12-2001, 08:42 PM
Well, let me state my position right away:
<BR>Bush is one of the brightest, most intelligent men I have seen.
<BR> Many people belive that Bush is a stupid idiot because he isn't the best at public speaking.
<BR> Well, I'm now very good at public speaking, but I'm still bright. In fact, I'll bet most of you aren't very skilled at speaking either.
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Jonathan Gelert
05-13-2001, 07:11 PM
Exactly, Jab. In fact, I believe that's why Bush has been labeled an "idiot".

Coasterboy
05-14-2001, 05:25 PM
I got the picture/idea of Bush being a fool since I watched Late Night.
<BR>Conan O'Briens Dubya impression is one of the best things I've ever seen!
<BR>"Mr. President!"
<BR>"Hooohh????"
<BR>I love it!

Sir Willow
05-14-2001, 11:26 PM
May I add a few comments?
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<BR>For those who think that Bush "stole" the election, repeated reviews of the ballots have shown that even with full and complete recounts Bush still had the most votes in Florida. In other words Bush won FL, no matter how many times you tried to recount it, and that is even with the military ballots that Gore tried to exclude and the media giving Gore the state before the entire Panhandle (a Republican stronghold) had finished voting!
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<BR>It also cracks me up how people can support a guy who admits to having done cocaine, who has been a proven dealer in the past, is a slumlord with people living on his ranch in TN with no electricity, water, or maintainance, who illegally raises funds, subverts the justice system, and has no problems giving military secrets to the Chinese. If you missed that- every single one of those is proven true of Al Gore. I won't even touch the fact that he's just a plain jerk to boot (oops, guess I did)
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<BR>Oh, Tom, you think the media just reports the facts? How naive can you be? When is the last time that you saw CNN, ABC or CBS report anyone with a conservative or Christian viewpoint ina good light, or as anything but a crook, idiot, or similar fashion? Check out FoxNews and see what a difference it is when you actually get all the facts- from both sides, unlike on the others.
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<BR>I'll stop there to make sure that I don't get into flame war mode. But I truly believe that in 3 years support for Bush will be high when they realize what a great job he's done, and how well he's unified the congress. Just look at how TX legislature actually started working together for the first time when he was gov.
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Jonathan Gelert
05-15-2001, 11:21 AM
Well said, SirWillow. I'm really enjoying watching this topic develop, BTW.

Flix
05-15-2001, 11:24 AM
i think he'll start world war III with all of this Star Wars thing...China are mightily pissed!and so is europe...bush is the hitler of the 21st century...he wants the world!....first of all, he'll start be invading canada
<BR>then the french will attack back
<BR>then the uk will be dragged into it because we want to get involved
<BR>usa will nuke china
<BR>china will nuke america
<BR>russia will nuke america
<BR>france will retreat
<BR>the uk will be left wondering what the hell just happened
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<BR>during all this bush will have killed every murderer in the usa, and moved onto canada, then he is found shot by no other then...AL GORE!
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<BR>wow! what a turn of events!
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<BR>when all this happens, try to look surprised.
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<BR><IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">:D:D:D:D:D!

bestisbeast
05-15-2001, 05:58 PM
ok...first of all, bush is not a moron...umm...for all you ppl saying he is, then al gore must be a real dumbass b/c it has been proven that bush did better all through out college, and scored higher on all the major tests!!! HAHA!!! just becasue he actually stands for some real morals and values, doesn't mean he is a moron...and plus...he is sexy!! haha!! <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">

Jim Payne
05-15-2001, 07:57 PM
Hey Flix... What?

robotman4
05-15-2001, 08:20 PM
Bush is the Hitler of the 21st century? I hope you're joking because that is stupid and certainly not fun. He is obviously not a good public speaker, but Lincoln came across as a bumbling hick also, Gettysburg notwithstanding, and he was one of the best presidents ever. Bush did ride daddies coattails to the presidency, but how do you think Gore got into the Senate? The real tragedy in this country today is the fact that if your parents are rich and/or went to an Ivy League school you are already on the fast track to power whether you deserve it or not. I'm not a socialist by any stretch of the imagination, but I do think that it should only matter what you do in your life, not what your parents did.
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CoasterFreak2k
05-15-2001, 08:52 PM
Hmm.....Bush=Hitler???? NO!!!
<BR>Hmmm.....Gore=Hitler???? YES!!!!
<BR>Gore's ideas I do not get...first of all he wants to give away military secrets and super computors to China. China absoultly despises the United States. China has always had more poplulation than the United States...but never the supplies. And with Gore giving them suplies...do you think that they are going to like us now?? <!-- BBCode Start --><B>NO!!</B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>China is a comunist country...and thinks that all countries should be just exacly like it!
<BR>I bet the Chineese are just lauging thier asses off on how stupid Clinton and Gore is. The United States is the most powerful nation in the world...and with us giving away military secretes, and supplies (to our enimies)....do you honestly think that our enimies are going to think to them selves "<!-- BBCode Start --><I>boy these americans are nice...i dont think we should attack them now...like we have always wanted to. Now we have the supplies and equimpment to over take them...i think we should just be thier friends</I><!-- BBCode End -->"
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<BR>Get a clue...this is like the same thing as if a robber came in your house...and you GAVE him some of your stuff, just so he can leave you alone...
<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>no!!</B><!-- BBCode End -->
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<BR>So if Gore was in office...he would deffenitly start the third world war!!!!
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KumbaNut
05-15-2001, 10:03 PM
Bush? Did he do well in Texas? NO!!! Right now we are out of money, and the only good work done in the senate has been done after he left, and the major bills have been proposed by, guess who, Democrats! Bush had no real power, and in Texas the Gov. is maily a figurehead, and has no real power anywhere!!! George Bush doesn't even know what Affirmitive Action is!!!! On the SAT scores, standardized tests are inaccurate and not good at proving a persons intellegence, as we are learning now in Texas (can anyone say TAAS???). Texas is the 49th state when it comes to education. He takes a "I am right, you are wrong" stance towards most everything. This is fine when you have no real power, but when you run an entire country, this won't work. It makes me crazy thinking about what he is capable of. I don't think it is fair for some people to label all liberals as hypocrites and extremeists. Equal rights, is that too much to ask??
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skinny_guy
05-16-2001, 12:29 AM
....I hate politics...if there was one thing in this world I could do away with, it would be politics. All it does is make people argue about things that they will never be able to convince others of. And why is this on a roller coaster website? Shouldn't you people be arguing about...oh let's say the little SFMM/Cedar Point debate? That would make a little more sense, don't you think?

Jonathan Gelert
05-16-2001, 11:35 AM
I'm just glad this is in the General Talk forum instead of RCT where it started.

Flix
05-16-2001, 12:04 PM
it was a joke...geddit?

Halation
06-02-2001, 01:37 PM
Actually "Mr Moderator", I DO HAVE MY FACTS STRAIGHT!! Yes Time/ Warner is a huge part of the media, but the major networks are owned by RCA, GE Etc. Which are consevatively run.
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<BR> The original question was: "Does anyone think Bush is a MORON?"
<BR>.....I will say it again "HELL YES!!!!"

Anaconda
06-02-2001, 03:16 PM
Actually, Halation, ABC is owned by Disney which has become more liberal over the decades, an example of this is "Gay Days" and there is also proof that they hire ex-Cons to work in their hotels in a book titled
<BR>"Disney: The Mouse Betrayed" and also in Aladdin where the Genie says something like "Take off your clothes" and in the Lion King where it says (its a topic that I wouldn't want little kids on this board to see) and there are other things as well.

Kraken
06-02-2001, 06:42 PM
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<BR>The media report the facts. Pure and simple. Every news cast I've been watching presents the facts of the situation, and also opposing veiws to it. The media themselves do not make opinions on the news casts.
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<BR>Bush is quite for sale though. Recently he appointed a couple of dozen new ambassidors to other countries, most of which have no diplomatic experiance! All they did was make really large contributions to W's campaign. All of W's campaign promises about protecting the environment have also gone out the window. And oddly enough he and Cheney both are in favor of cutting research into alternative fuels and power supplies in favor of drilling for more oil. Kinda wierd, but oh wait...they're both involved in big oil companies!!!
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<BR>W is merely a puppet (and a stupid one at that) being controled by the people and corporations with the largest checks. He is certainly not concerned with the common man.
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<BR>-Tom
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<BR>Your are wrong. Bush is more in touch with the common man than Clinton ever was! And Clinton RAISED taxes! And this recent economic slowdown? It started under Clinton!
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Cobra
06-02-2001, 08:26 PM
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<BR>On 2001-05-15 22:03, KumbaNut wrote:
<BR>Bush? Did he do well in Texas? NO!!! Right now we are out of money, and the only good work done in the senate has been done after he left, and the major bills have been proposed by, guess who, Democrats! Bush had no real power, and in Texas the Gov. is maily a figurehead, and has no real power anywhere!!! George Bush doesn't even know what Affirmitive Action is!!!! On the SAT scores, standardized tests are inaccurate and not good at proving a persons intellegence, as we are learning now in Texas (can anyone say TAAS???). Texas is the 49th state when it comes to education. He takes a "I am right, you are wrong" stance towards most everything. This is fine when you have no real power, but when you run an entire country, this won't work. It makes me crazy thinking about what he is capable of. I don't think it is fair for some people to label all liberals as hypocrites and extremeists. Equal rights, is that too much to ask??
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<BR>His brother Jeb is screwing up Florida, too.

Kraken
06-03-2001, 06:53 PM
This isn't about Jeb, it's about George!

Sir Willow
06-04-2001, 01:28 AM
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<BR>On 2001-06-02 13:37, Halation wrote:
<BR>Actually "Mr Moderator", I DO HAVE MY FACTS STRAIGHT!! Yes Time/ Warner is a huge part of the media, but the major networks are owned by RCA, GE Etc. Which are consevatively run.
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<BR> The original question was: "Does anyone think Bush is a MORON?"
<BR>.....I will say it again "HELL YES!!!!"
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<BR>Even if you assume he's a moron (which he isn't), I'd rather than than the corrupt crooks known as Gore and his team:
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<BR>Who are willing to give all of our secrets to China.
<BR>Who started the economic slowdown.
<BR>Who tried to steal the election from Bush (recounts have proven repeatedly that Bush won Florida).
<BR>Who has been proven to raise funds illegally.
<BR>etc.
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<BR>I'm still saying just wait. Much of what you are seeing is still carryover from the old administration and having to cleam up all of their junk. We'll see what you are saying in couple of years, at which time we'll have actually been able to see his work.
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<BR>And that's assuming that the Democrats don't play war in the legislature and refuse to do anything at all.

Halation
06-04-2001, 02:14 PM
You people are idiots. George Dubya Busch is a fool . He DID NOT do better the Al Gore in college. The media is not "Liberal". There is nothing wrong with Socialism, when it's done properly. Ever been to Sweden? You idiots who never been out of this country think this countryis "the Greatest Nation", are blind. Capitalism will not last. It will destroy our planet. The rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer. And you'll all be too stupid or powerless to do anything about it.

Halation
06-05-2001, 08:26 AM
Kraken, if you think the media reports things "pure and simple", you have your head up your behind. The conservative media reports what they want to report. When they show the "riots" at WTO conferences, they only show you the long haired, homeless anarchists, not the suburban mom, or the concerned college student. You will never get the whole story. It doesn't seem "biased" to you because they don't comment on the news they are "reporting". They don't have to. They just show what they wan't, in a VERY MANIPULATIVE way, without you ever realising it. when certain people say "the liberal media", what they mean is that it is not conservative enough for them.

Halation
06-05-2001, 08:50 AM
O.K. "Anaconda", so what's wrong with "Gay Days" at Disney. Does that threaten your fragile idea of masculinety? Just like how you would call someone a communist if they crticize your wimp prez Dubya? Are you going to call me a fag for supporting gay rights, or are you just going to quote your bible? Or are you one of those people who "doesn't want to explain to their kids why two men are kissing". Well gay people are here and you'd better get over it...<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Halation on 2001-06-05 08:52 ]</font>

Flix
06-05-2001, 09:24 AM
is this a flame war?get the fire extinguishers out!call the fire brigade...
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<BR>ah!i got 3rd degree burns!
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<BR>okay, i think that this is silly...no, bush aint a wimp...he is going to start ww3.at least he hasn't started it!(yet)

Coasterman2k1
06-06-2001, 02:03 PM
I may be British but from what Ive heard Bush isnt the brightest of men . The British election is currently going on and im sick of it . Labour are going to win

SLFAKE
06-06-2001, 02:43 PM
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<BR>First...
<BR>Okay, Bush may not be the most eloquent of speakers, but rather someone who occasionally gets tongue tied than the slick talking and swarmy ilk that has been in office for the past 8 years (and his protege who was defeated fairly in Florida and in the Electoral College).
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<BR>To those who declare how "fair" the medias is. Has the brain washing been this successful? The major media is so far left leaning that it is a wonder why it has not fallen completely over.
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<BR>Third...
<BR>(in reply to the previous post before this), you say "Glasgow and Proud" in your quote. Pray it stays that way. We got rid of our socialist wanna-be over here in our last election, I only hope you can over there, else you may have to change your quote to "European and proud" (not that you may want to... but the new order's PC police may force it).
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Halation
06-06-2001, 04:08 PM
The notion of "PC" is proof that the media is CONSERVATIVE. It was created by the CONSERVATIVE media to show their displeasure with the notion of being fair and equal to all people. Actually it was more like that fat windbag Rush Limbaugh that popularized it. "Dittoheads", yes, they say "ditto" because they can't think for themselves. It's funny how the phrase "politically correct" was created by the CONSERVATIVE media, and by a bunch of people that want to take away a woman's right to choose, make time for prayer in schools to be mandated. All of these things and more (oh, yeah how could I forget state-sanctioned death sentences) and these BEEP's label Liberals as being "politically correct". Give me a <!-- BBcode auto-mailto start --><a href="mailto:F@Cking">F@Cking</a><!-- BBCode auto-mailto end --> break. You conservatives talk about personal freedom and freedom from government, but that's exactly what you want MORE OF. Give the government the power to stick it's nose into the most personal places in one's life. You people are seriously confused...<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Halation on 2001-06-07 00:00 ]</font>

ChronoTrigger
06-06-2001, 07:31 PM
Watch it people. I would hate to hit that little lock button. This is turning into a flame war, and I don't like it. This is your only warning.

Halation
06-06-2001, 11:58 PM
What's the big deal moderator? What do think a message board is for? I can speak my opinion. Do you think we all have roller coaster-induced smiles plastered on our faces all the time? Someone asked a question, and I feel passionately about it. If you can't handle it, fine, execute your "power of authority" and censor me. I'll find some less narrow-minded induviduals to debate with.

Anaconda
06-07-2001, 02:25 PM
Well Halation, if capitalism will fail, then how come America is the most powerful nation on earth? Not to mention, being gay is a sin according to the Bible, and I know people are going to be gay but that doesn't make it right. Also, communism is bad b/c it takes away human rights. Ever look at China? While here in America, you can say just about whatever you want (like, you can't go into a theater and yell "Fire") while in China, if you say their leader is fat he'll kill you, and Bush isn't a wimp or a fool. He made one of the greatest, most touching speeches I've ever heard a President make yesterday at the D-Day National Memorial in Bedford, Virginia. Also, the media isn't entirely conservative.
<BR>CNN is owned by Ted Turner (I think) who's made it clear he is liberal.

Anaconda
06-07-2001, 02:28 PM
Also Halation, Disney having Gay Days is discrimination. They don't have African American Days, White Days, Straight Days, Asian Days, Mongolian Days, Hispanic Days, Native American Days, Single Days. Thats just one reason why I see Gay Days as wrong, they have a few days for a certain group of people instead of all groups of people. If they had a day for all (well, the realy major ones like the ones I mentioned above) then I wouldn't complain about it. And no, I don't think you're a fag or anything for defending gays, you're entitled to your own views as I am entitled to mine.

Halation
06-07-2001, 05:44 PM
Well Anaconda, first of all, people use the excuse of say "it says so in the bible". Well so fricking what. You give me proof the the "holy bible" is the word of god. So a book written thousands of years ago, by MAN, NOT GOD, says that homosexuality is a "sin" gives you the right to say that what homosexual people do is wrong? YOU and millions of religious fanatics around the world, are THE REASON THE WORLD IS SO SCREWED UP!!! You have absolutely no right to tell someone that what they are doing is "amoral". If it's not for you then fine. I don't want to have sex with other men, and I really DON'T CARE if other men want to!! It's none of my buisiness. So you can take your so-called word of god and shove it!! You have NO IDEA who god is!!! "God" is love.
<BR>I'm not saying I have all the answers, but you people who think "if your not a Christian, your going to hell" are so unbelievably narrow minded. Get the hell out of the middle ages. There is a HUGE WORLD around you with many different viewpoints. The only people I will condemn, are people who condemn me for my "beliefs".
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<BR>Acknowledging a certain group is NOT discrimination. Discrimination means EXCLUDING another group. Do you think that non-Mexicans are not welcome at a Cinco De Mayo celebration? Or Germans at an Irish heritage festival? Or heterosexuals at Gay Days? Its seems the only dicrimination is in YOUR OWN MIND.
<BR>Point#3
<BR>The U.S. " the most powerful nation on Earth", well, so what. So was the Roman empire. That doesn't make it the most ideal form of government. Yes we have a huge military that can kick everyone's ass, and we will pull it out every ten to twenty years to remind everyone. The United States is near the top of Amnesty International 's list of countries with human rights violations (thank good-old G.Dubya, and the state of Texass for that one!)The highest amount of teenage pregnancies and drug abuse in developed Western nations. Not to mention the most energy consuption per capita. Guns, guns, guns...And by the way, I never defended communism. I defended SOCIALISM, which is different. Would you say Sweden is a communist country? Obviously you've never been there.
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<BR>P.S. Turner Broadcasting isn't owned by Ted Turner "the self-confessed liberal" (a LIBERAL? No he can't be one of THEM!!)
<BR>CNN is cable TV. Look who owns two of the "big 3" networks.-RCA, GE, etc...<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Halation on 2001-06-07 17:59 ]</font>

Anaconda
06-07-2001, 07:54 PM
Well Halation, I have proof that the Bible is the Word of God.
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<BR>1. Its infalliable, as in it doesn't contradict itself, it its consistent,
<BR>2. Most of what has been predicted in the Bible has come true. Now do you think that a book written by many different people over a period of about 1,000 years could be that perfecy without some divine intervention?
<BR>(Israel re-emerging as a nation, that happened in 1944, before that there was very little rain there and now there is a plentiful supply of rain. Currencies uniting, the Euro, and Ecudor and Paraguay are thinking of switching to the American dollar. World War was predicted as well as the Great Worldwide Depression that followed.)
<BR>3. The Hittite empire were once thought to be non-existent until archeaologists discovered proof that it existed.
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<BR>Also, the only way to get into Heaven is by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior. I know it sounds narrow-minded but it proves your point that God is love. He sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to die for us, sinners who come short of His glory. God loves everyone, including gays, but that doesn't make being gay right. Also, Socialism eventually leads to Communism, and I think that though Socialism may look good on paper, do you think that someone who went to school for 8 years to be doctor be happy making as much money as someone who is an unsucessful .com CEO's secretary? I don't think so, so why would he go to school and study so hard. If that was the case we wouldn't have half as many doctors as we have today. Not to mention I don't wanna be told what I have to be when I grow up, I don't want to be stuck with a job I totally hate and can't do nothing about it. Also, I would like to know why we are at the top of Amnesty's list of nations with the worse human rights? There are a ton of other nations (Iran, Iraq, China, Russia, Afghanistan, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, North Korea, Vietnam, etc...)
<BR>that have worse human rights records than ours, and (gasp) they're either communist or dictatorships or Muslim militant countries.
<BR>Now though there are some with good human rights records (namely Socialist countries) I really can't see the U.S. being at the top for the worse (or near it).
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<BR>Also, Ted Turner owns cable channels, such as TNN, TNT, TBS, Cartoon Network, Boomerang and he is liberal, he told some people who came in with ash on their foreheads for Ash Wednesday "What are you a bunch of Jesus freaks?" and he has stated he's for abortion and stuff.
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Anaconda
06-07-2001, 08:18 PM
Also, Disney is discriminating because by refusing to acknowledge another group, they are in a sense treating them unequally. "We'll give this group a special day but not this group or this group" and that is a kind of discrimination.
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<BR>Also, Turner broadcasting is owned by Ted Turner b/c Ted Turner owns the braves and thats why you see so many Braves commercials on TNT and TBS and Cartoon Network and Boomerang. Also, you'll have to forgive me about saying that he owned TNN. That was my mistake, I was thinking of all the networks with Ts and stuff like that.
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Smoky
06-07-2001, 10:12 PM
How bout moving this conversation to another topic? As far as Bush being a wimp, he is, so was Clinton, so was Bush Sr., and just about every other politician who can easily be bought and sold, whether they be capitalists or socialists or fascists or anarchists. Had the US federal government stuck to its constitutional limits then the office of president would be about as important as observing fly paper sitting on a table while picking your nose and singing "Chasin' that neon rainbow." The reality is, is that there are millions of cripples, morons, stupid people, arrogant people, smart people, psychotics, whiners, imaginative people, war widows, midgets, giants, retards, gays, straights, people with rubber fetishes, pedophiles, zoophiles, nose-pickers, fat-people, thin-people, feminists, masculists, left-handed christian wrist-watch wearers, three breasted swedish circus midgets who are in love with trappist nuns from the northern part of Fiji where Mickey Mouse inhales cocaine as part of his daily hairbrushing ritual after using his middle finger to transmit lesbian meatloaf recipies to Robin Leach and that fat girl from the Facts of Life, while smoking ganja-weed with Goofy and Clarabell Cow as they listen to Richard Harris and Andy Williams sing MacArthur Park which is mearly a song about someone leaving a cake out in the rain and the guy having a psychotic fit cause he it took him so long to (half)bake it, and he'll never have the recepie again....oh no!!!! <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif">
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<BR>Or to put it another way, there is no gravity, the Earth sucks <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> I wouldn't have it any other way, God bless them and give them all the guns they want! <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> And vote for Lou Reed in the next election. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif"><BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Smoky on 2001-06-07 22:20 ]</font>

Jonathan Gelert
06-08-2001, 01:47 AM
Smoky...Ohhhhhhkayyyyyyy...
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<BR>Everyone else, please calm down. I see this turning into a flame war very soon, and then one of us mods will have to lock it.

Smoky
06-08-2001, 02:31 AM
Yes I confess I'm nuts <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">
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<BR>Just trying to douse a potential flame war before it spreads faster than a fire on a gasoline soaked piece of paper in an extremely dry climate.

Sir Willow
06-08-2001, 02:59 AM
Some are definately taking it to seriously- to the points where it's a "forget the facts, my opinion is right because I said so". Big reason why I've been avoiding it lately.
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<BR>If I were a mod (and I'm not so this isn't worth much) I'd go ahead and lock it now. Smoky's post was good for a laugh, but most of what is getting posted now is just over-emotionalize reactions. I doubt that it's going to straighten out much.
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DrachenFire96
06-08-2001, 05:51 AM
Well, not saying Bush is a moron (though my thoughts may swerve in that direction) I have to judge things by what has been done by the current administration and the affects on the society as a whole. I know that real jobs for college graduates are quite lower than last Summer, and the prices of gasoline are through the roof. I hate the fact that when i fill up my car it costs me $28. And I don't care for the restrictions placed on women's rights. In Virginia alone they have increased the difficulty for women attempting to get abortions to an all time high. Bush did not support abortion over seas etc. This limits a woman's rights which is against the Supreme Court decision many a year ago. They actually held a march on DC in late March for women's rights (I woulda went but I would look funny being one of the few men in the crowd so I donated to their cause).
<BR>However, one thing I do like about this administration is the possible tax cuts ( who doesn't look forward to getting money they earned). I am also glad that they are not in the extreme gun thieving mood as the Democrats were. As for the death penalty..."I am an eye for an eye tooth for a tooth person." I sometimes wonder why they just don't go back to the hangings in the courtyard, be cheaper than our tax dollars feeding and sheltering these people who are gonna die anyways.
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<BR>Overall, I am not all that pleased thus far with the new administration.
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Halation
06-08-2001, 09:33 AM
O.K. Anaconda, so do think African-Americans asked for a "African-American Day" at Disney, and were turned down? I don't think so, I'm sure we all would have heard about it... It is absolutely NOT discrimination, it's INCLUSION. Acknowledgement of a group, that the majority of this country are bigoted against. Yes, HOORAY for DISNEY!!! Why does the idea offend you so much??
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<BR>Next, your so-called proof that the bible is the "word of god". What a bunch of crap. You say the bible never contradicts itself. You've obviously NEVER READ IT!! There are contradictions in that book left and right. You don't know what your talking about.
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<BR>As for the "predictions the bible made have come true". Yeah like the world ending in the year 999. The church and the pope had everyone believing the world was coming to an end...Guess what? It didn't happen!!!
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<BR>I have to go to work, I will finish with you later.
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Anaconda
06-08-2001, 10:34 AM
Well, show me some contradictions in the Bible.
<BR>You've obviously never read it, b/c I go to a Christian school where they teach the Bible. Also, as for the predictions that the world would end in 999 or 2000 or whatever other year, IT WAS MADE BY PEOPLE AFTER THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN, THE BIBLE NEVER ACTUALLY GAVE A DATE FOR THE STUFF TO HAPPEN. Also, if the gays asked for their own special day, then why couldn't Disney ask other people like African-Americans or Asians or Hispanics if they wanted their own special day? Couldn't Disney include them too? Also, why give gays special treatment if they demand to be equal? Equality doesn't mean treat one group more special than the other, equality means treating all groups the same. Its only fair if one group gets a special day that Disney asks other groups if they want a special day too. If Disney did this and ALL of the groups turned them down then I wouldn't be against Gay Day, I'm just saying at least give other groups the chance to have their own special day.

Halation
06-08-2001, 01:56 PM
"Ask, and Ye Shall Receive"
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<BR>You want biblical contradictions, well you asked for them....
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<BR>Ex.20:13 " Thou shall not commit murder"
<BR>Ex.32:27 " Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, put every man his sword by his side...and slay every man his brother his companion, hisneighbor....( also Sam .6:19; 15:2,3; Num. 15:36)
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<BR>Ex.20:16 "Thou shall not bear false witness (Prov. 12:22; Rev.21:8)
<BR>Kings 22:23 "The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. (Thess.2:11; Josh. 2:4-6 & James 2:25)
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<BR>Psa. 145:9 "The Lord is good to all" (Deut.32:4; James 1:13)
<BR>Is. 45:7 "I make peace AND create evil. I the Lord do all these things" (Lam 3:38; Jer.18:11; Ezek. 20:25)
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<BR>Matt.5:22 "Whoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire"
<BR>Matt.23:17 (Jesus says) Ye fools are blind"
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<BR>Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of man.
<BR>Acts 5:29 " We ought to obey God rather than man".
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<BR>These are just a few. I could go on, but I don't type that fast..
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<BR>"Religion or "God" are not the sources of morality. The immorality of some who claim to be righteous and holy, and the goodness of many without religion, demonstrates this clearly. Religion and morality are two separate concepts that sometimes overlap, but they are really independent of each other. When religionist proclaim that theirs is the one true faith and attempt to convert or destroy or condemn those who beLIEve differently, they are commiting immorality of the worst kind."
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<BR> If you want to use your bible as your backing for your ignorance, you mock your "savior".
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<BR>"It has been said that the fundamentalist mind is like concrete; all mixed up and permanently set".
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<BR> If you are against "giving anyone any 'special 'privileges"- are you against Head Start programs for vulnerable children? Special Olympics? Special education, for that matter? Are you against affermative action? I'm sure you are (but you would never say so because you might be labled "a racist", but it's ok to discriminate against gay people, because you know, being gay is a choice).
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<BR> I'm going now.
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Halation
06-08-2001, 02:02 PM
P.S. "Anaconda", if your such a bible thumper, as you've proved yourself to be -why did use use Anaconda as your username? Isn't that "the serpent" "the deceiver", SATAN HIMSELF!!!!! AAARGHH!
<BR>(yes obviously i know its the name of a roller coaster, but aren't you like the guy who says "with God, life becomes a thrill ride". So why would you need the cheap thrill of a roller coaster?

Halation
06-08-2001, 02:06 PM
"Ask, and Ye Shall Receive"
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<BR>You want biblical contradictions, well you asked for them....
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<BR>Ex.20:13 " Thou shall not commit murder"
<BR>Ex.32:27 " Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, put every man his sword by his side...and slay every man his brother his companion, hisneighbor....( also Sam .6:19; 15:2,3; Num. 15:36)
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<BR>Ex.20:16 "Thou shall not bear false witness (Prov. 12:22; Rev.21:8)
<BR>Kings 22:23 "The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. (Thess.2:11; Josh. 2:4-6 & James 2:25)
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<BR>Psa. 145:9 "The Lord is good to all" (Deut.32:4; James 1:13)
<BR>Is. 45:7 "I make peace AND create evil. I the Lord do all these things" (Lam 3:38; Jer.18:11; Ezek. 20:25)
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<BR>Matt.5:22 "Whoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire"
<BR>Matt.23:17 (Jesus says) Ye fools are blind"
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<BR>Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of man.
<BR>Acts 5:29 " We ought to obey God rather than man".
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<BR>These are just a few. I could go on, but I don't type that fast..
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<BR>"Religion or "God" are not the sources of morality. The immorality of some who claim to be righteous and holy, and the goodness of many without religion, demonstrates this clearly. Religion and morality are two separate concepts that sometimes overlap, but they are really independent of each other. When religionist proclaim that theirs is the one true faith and attempt to convert or destroy or condemn those who beLIEve differently, they are commiting immorality of the worst kind."
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<BR> If you want to use your bible as your backing for your ignorance, you mock your "savior".
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<BR>"It has been said that the fundamentalist mind is like concrete; all mixed up and permanently set".
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<BR> If you are against "giving anyone any 'special 'privileges"- are you against Head Start programs for vulnerable children? Special Olympics? Special education, for that matter? Are you against affermative action? I'm sure you are (but you would never say so because you might be labled "a racist", but it's ok to discriminate against gay people, because you know, being gay is a choice).
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<BR> I'm going now.
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Brett Weissbart
06-08-2001, 02:31 PM
Um, I hate to butt in here, but wasn't this topic about Bush being a wimp?
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<BR>I think that you guys took this a little too far.
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<BR>Topic closed.