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Flix
05-10-2001, 11:47 AM
SW5 - Will be great.
<BR>Atlantis - will be okay
<BR>Exp.De.Ge.Force - Will be stunning
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<BR>Please, add your ideas and comments on the best new coasters around the planet, but not from america, leave them out, this is our forum, not thiers.
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Tyler Eaves
05-10-2001, 12:08 PM
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<BR>SW5 - Will be great.
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<BR>I don't know about it, Nemesis definatly looks wild, but the parks last B&M prototype,Oblivion, seems to be something of a dud by most reports, and many of the newer B&M's have been less than stellar IMHO.
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<BR>Presonally, I really wish I could get over to Europe to ride this one. The idea of <!-- BBCode Start --><B>5</B><!-- BBCode End --> zero-g rolls just sounds wicked!
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<BR>Probably!

MarkRenwick
05-10-2001, 12:48 PM
Oblivion is no dud it is amazing the drop is excellant and thats the point of the ride so it doesn't need to be long as it would take the shine off the drop like if the ride was longer it would need mid cause breaks to keep capicity up andthere for the rest of the irde might get a bit boring like many longer B&Ms (hulk second half for example) and people might just forget how amazing the irst drop is.
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<BR>The only reason some people say it isn't good as they compare it to nemesis and it got way over hyped.
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<BR>Sw5 has been in devlopment sinse 1994 so should be good and John wardley 9the rides designer) said that it is better than stealth and other so called flying coasters because the flying experince will be better so he said.
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<BR>But we will have to wait until it opens first before we compare
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<BR>I think odyssey, sw5 and atlntis will all be amazing<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: MarkRenwick on 2001-05-10 14:24 ]</font>

Tyler Eaves
05-10-2001, 12:55 PM
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<BR>Oblivion is no dud it is amazing the drop is excellant and thats the point of the ride so it doesn't need to be long.
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<BR>So an Arrow/Vekoma standard Corkscrew coaster is your ideal looper? Loops are the point so why does it need more track?
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<BR>The only reason people say it isn't good as they compare it to nemesis and it got way over hyped.
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<BR>I'm so glad you know how everyone feels and know that it's physically not possible to dislike it.
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<BR>Sw5 has been in devlopment sinse 1994 so should be good and John wardley 9the rides designer) said that it is better than stealth and other so called flying coasters because the flying experince will be better so he said.
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<BR>What else is he going to say? Proves nothing...
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Graeme
05-10-2001, 03:36 PM
Out of all the 2002 coasters, I'm looking forward to Madrid's Floorless the most (the first one outside America), followed by Odyssey and Madrid Batman the Ride (I've not been on a BTR).
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<BR>Atlantis is one of those coasters that could be a sleeper hit if they get the inversion speed exactly right. And SW5, well, I'll see...I can't say I'm looking forward to it much at the moment.

davidhinds84
05-10-2001, 04:00 PM
The only proof you need to show oblivion is a top class ride are the faces on the people as they walk off the ride and theyre not dissapointed frowns more like this <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> or <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">
<BR>There are a few however who think that a rollercoaster is just something that spins you upside down mulitple times, oblivion proved this wrong as its rated as highly as nemesis.

Tyler Eaves
05-10-2001, 04:01 PM
Well, most people come off smiling from a Boomerang..

Fraser
05-10-2001, 04:26 PM
I'm afraid Oblivion is a bit "emperor's new clothes" for me - and it's got nothing to do with hype. I just prefer my rides to me more than a one trick pony - and I don't neccessarily mean with multi-inversions. in fact, I prefer classic woodies to loopers. But if I'm going to queue an hour plus for a ride, I want more than a drop into a hole and a fan curve.
<BR>For me, Odyssey at Fantasy island is the most exciting thing to look forward to next year. Although I am anxious to learn what Blackpool PB has up its sleeve...

Graeme
05-10-2001, 04:37 PM
Tyler, didn't you enjoy Oblivion? I agree it's short, and that is also the overwhelming opinion of the general public. But at least it is exciting and intense. It definitely has a stronger effect on riders than a Vekoma Boomerang.
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<BR>Sure, I'd rather Alton Towers had utilised the B&M sitdown technology (I don't think Floorless was available at the time) but I can see why Alton didn't want to follow up Nemesis with another "looping coaster".
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<BR>And SW5 will not be a "looping coaster" either. It might have a few inversions (and it might not) but they are attempting a true flight sensation. So all the Alton "Secret Weapons" will offer very different experiences at least.<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Pleasurewood Thrills on 2001-05-10 16:39 ]</font>

Tyler Eaves
05-10-2001, 04:50 PM
Actually, I haven't riddem it, but length is one of my requirments for a good ride.

rollerboy182
05-10-2001, 05:29 PM
Tyler is 100% right..I agree with him and I have ridden Oblivion a number of times. The drop is good but its not great....the reason peeps come off it beaming is becasue its a roller coaster and roller coasters do that to you.....remember, they are mere mortals not the coaster obsessed junkies that the majority of us are. Oblivion is pretty lame IMHO...not becasue of the hype, not becasue of a bad drop but becasue of its short length and its faliure to follow up a decent drop with anything else. I dont know how other people would view this but imagine MF without anything but a drop and a turn and then half the drop and your there.....think about it...

davidhinds84
05-11-2001, 02:42 AM
okay i see where you are coming from but you cant start comparing oblivion to other rides and commenting that if they only had one drop they'd be rubbish because it doesn't work like that. You cant say that wildmouse coasters are useless just because they dont have plenty of inversions, their layout is relatively long and have 180 hairpin corners to make it a "scarey ride", oblivion isnt about being a one drop wonder, its the anticipation of the drop the height, the "never been one before sensation" the intenseness, oblivion was designed to be short because when you walk off your body is still pumping with adrenaline, the feeling stays with you for a long time! It also makes it possible for the whole family to ride it! draws more people to the park and to be honest if you haven't already riden it, you shouldn't be commenting on it like that. Fair enough if you like you coasters to be wooden or steel looping, then thats fine but dont call it a dud when its not a fact, by all means if it really is a dud and everyone found it a boring ride due to its shortness then yeah okay, but its not and i can't quote from anything but i know that oblivion was rated either 1st or 2nd in a rollercoaster questionairre, and it wasnt answered by people with no knowledge of rollercoasters, they were people who are like us, fanatic about them so they know what they were talking about. Just one more statement, oblivion is the first "vertical drop rollercoaster" i know its not 90 degrees, but thats a different topic, the first looping rollercoaster was nothing to be proud of if you're gonna judge it the way you judged oblivion, I'm sure in years to come you'll get you looping coasters with huge vertical drops, but for now they haven't been built and we have to make do with what we've got. sorry for talking so long but i hate it when people dis-down any rollercoaster we have that we think is worth riding when basically its all we've got over here <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif"><BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: davidhinds84 on 2001-05-11 02:43 ]</font>

davidhinds84
05-11-2001, 02:52 AM
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<BR>Actually, I haven't riddem it, but length is one of my requirments for a good ride.
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<BR>Theres a great ride thats really long, its a train from London Waterloo right down to Richmond upon thames, takes around 45 minutes! Unfortunately it has no inversions (yet)but the track is long so it should satisfy your needs.
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<BR>Still need a long ride to make it a good rollercoaster now?

Fraser
05-11-2001, 06:10 AM
45 minutes to Richmond from Waterloo??? You've been had mate!!! LOL! It's 25 minutes max!
<BR>Length isn't a prerequisite for a good coaster (viz The Ultimate) - but when all you are offering is a drop, then at least the run out should have been made slightly more interesting. That's what I think anyway.
<BR>I mean Nemesis is hardly the longest coaster in the world, but at least it lives up to the hype.
<BR>The drop on Oblivion IS fantastic - but to me it's a bit like Nouvelle Cuisine..."is that it?"!!!

davidhinds84
05-11-2001, 09:46 AM
m8 it takes 45 minutes if you take the slow train which stops off at every single possible station, and it has to be going the longer way round... i get that train if i need time for a quick snooze <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif"> About oblivion, it must be me then because everytime i go to Alton towers i ride it at least 3 or 4 times, and it still satisfies me each and everytime. you have to remember that if it was any longer then it would take much longer to queue up, remember the trains are short but longer in width (due to the fact that if it was a long train you would get some kind of whiplash if you were at the back of the train.) so to make it longer would make the queueline huge, which we dont want! lol to me oblivion is a rollercoaster which gives a great adrenaline rush and the queue time is really short what more could you want! yeah i know i know short queues for rides like incredible Hulk and so forth in america (hasnt that got like a 1 mile length queue line???) but it all lies down to if your not satisfied with oblivion then there must be something wrong <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif">!

Tyler Eaves
05-11-2001, 09:52 AM
David, everyone has the right to his or her own opinion. Oblivion could be made longer without increassing the queue line at all. It's just a matter of increasing the number of blocks, and thus the number of trains. it could climb out of the whole go through a mid course brake, and then have a few quick helices or maybe even a loop, and with just one extra train, capacity would stay the same.
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Flix
05-11-2001, 11:16 AM
that's why david started the other forum on how to improve on oblivion...go check it out...by the way, does anyone have pictures or info on the new madrid floorless - i really want to ride one

davidhinds84
05-11-2001, 12:42 PM
yeah you're right, sorry i got carried away, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, sorry about that apologies all round <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> for me, i dont really think a helix or loop would make the ride better, but i would like the idea of making the drop even bigger than it already is. what do you think?

Fraser
05-11-2001, 02:11 PM
...or a vertical up section before the fan curve. Or just replace some of the (very long) brake run with a few bunny hops.
<BR>Or.. or..or...

Graeme
05-11-2001, 02:27 PM
I agree with Fraser about the vertical ascent and bunny hops. I think helices are filler, to be honest. I'd lap up a vertical loop and some kind of barrel roll though!

davidhinds84
05-11-2001, 03:12 PM
hey i came up with that idea first <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif"> hehe just check out the "oblivion add-ons" post that i started. I may start some with other rides too!

MarkRenwick
05-11-2001, 03:35 PM
their isn't really enough room in the area to make oblivion any longer without it failing to get planning permission.
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<BR>So an impulse coaster, thrust air, super invertigo, intamin revearse free fall rides all arn't very good bacuse their track length isn't much different from oblivion.
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<BR>Remember it does drop 180 ft with 120fgt underground

Flix
05-11-2001, 04:06 PM
you do relise that this is a forum for other coasters, and not just oblivion so please see the other topic!i want peeps opinions on other coasters...i am sick to death of peeps badmouthing one of the most unique rides on the planet:remember, the UK got it first, which entitles it to be great.

lukejpowell
05-11-2001, 06:22 PM
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<BR>SW5 - Will be great.
<BR>Atlantis - will be okay
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<BR>SW5 - The idea of a flying coaster doesn't appeal to me much, so it'll be OK.
<BR>Atlantis - 5 barrel rolls in a row, cheap record breaker, sounds like a spin 'n' spew on track.
<BR>Exp.De.Ge.Force - Looks pretty good, might have to be visiting Germany soon <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">
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<BR>Odyssey - Deja Vu trains (rumoured), 200+ ft drop, 180ish ft LOOP! I think this will rule.
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<BR>BPB 2003 - In excess of 300ft (is that not guaranteed?) possibly 400!
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