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Old 07-05-2005, 04:14 PM
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Well the thing is people all make mistakes. At my park safety violations isnt a stranger to managment ears. I seen many "violations" stoped before it became serious. Such as I was on board (Control room) someone unbuckled their seatbelt and I prevented it from advancing to a serious mode. Thats what I mean by giving people second chances if the violation was prevented then there should be action taken but not firing the associate. If there was a huge Time line from when it happen example: Lets say if I failed to check a seat in March and it was prevented I will get a write up. And I did the same violation in the month of August and do keep in mind this is a seasonal job. I should get another write up not terminated it should depend on how long the violation time line was. Do any one agree with me? if not explain why????????=/
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Old 07-10-2005, 04:10 PM
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Well if anything, people should be moved to a place where there isnt much chance for operationals. Still if you put someone's life in danger there is not much time for a 2nd chance.
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Old 07-11-2005, 10:29 AM
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I agree MaGnUmKeLlY there shouldn't be room for a second chance if someone's life is endangered by someone who wasn't paying attention to their job.
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Old 07-14-2005, 09:02 PM
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Hi all I hope you are having a great summer thus far. I just had to ask this question. What is dropping the platform on an invert. Since I have never run any kind of coaster but an older woodie. I do not know what that means. is this dropping a platform on a standup type coaster. In this case is it doing it without warning. I was just curious here. Thanks.
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Old 07-14-2005, 11:31 PM
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Do you mean why do we drop a platform before a invert train dispatches?
If so, its because so tall peoples feet touch the floor a bit. They drop it so his/her feet does not drag while dispatching.
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Old 07-23-2005, 12:44 AM
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I was at a kiddie ride and I had just taken someone's spot. As she was leaving, I hadn't realized she wasn't out the gate (she couldn't figure out how to open it at first). When I was giving spiels, I was keying on the control panel (which faces the side opposite the gate) and she was trying to open the gate to my back. Obviously, I stopped the ride as soon as I started it and turned around. It was my fault and I would have gotten a safety violation, but she should have said something like "Hold on, I'm leaving, don't start it yet." Luckily, I wasn't caught so it wasn't a big deal.
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Old 07-23-2005, 11:57 AM
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Safety is everyone's responsiblity, not just one person's. What you should have done was made sure she was out of harm's way before starting the ride. It was as much her fault as it was yours.
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:32 AM
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Do you mean why do we drop a platform before a invert train dispatches?
If so, its because so tall peoples feet touch the floor a bit. They drop it so his/her feet does not drag while dispatching.
But don't do that when an att. is still checking belts...or get ready to dive lol
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:48 AM
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I have come close to this mistake when you think someone has leaft. No one has ever gotton hurt. Once I had just put my finger on the start button and a parent jumped the fence to comfort his kid who just started crying. I had to e-stop. It made my heart just about stop. You just never know. I think its a knee jerk reaction to start when you are expecting an employee to exit. We are not purfect we can just do our very best.
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Old 07-28-2005, 09:14 PM
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I don't work at a park but i feel you won't mind if I toss my two cents in.
Being human, I understand how anyone can make a mistake. If someone makes a mistakes that could put someone at risk I feel that another chance is fair. Yes they may have put someone's life at stake, But people make mistakes. Anyone could easily make a mistake operating any ride, No matter how long they've been operating for.
As previously mentioned, it would obviously depend on the situation. If you were screwing around and it was obvious that you weren't even paying attention and something goes wrong and you end up endangering someone, then I would say sure...termination. On the other hand...If you press the wrong button accidently or something (I don't work a ride..I don't know all the things you do), and you accidently put someone in danger, then I would say that isn't a great reason for termination. If you were to make that same accidental mistake one too many times.....then that would be another story.

Please don't jump on me for my opinion. If you disagree I wouldn't mind hearing why though. I figured I would say something since I'm only a rider and being so I understand how my safety when riding is my responsibility as well.
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Old 07-29-2005, 01:31 AM
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Why would you jump? Don't you on an invert have to hit a switch to lower the platform then you have to switch to the dispatch button?

Also anyone who is against a second chance for people making mistakes what do you call all the people who have been in car accidents and have hurt or killed people that are out on the road today?
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Old 07-29-2005, 06:41 PM
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Why would you jump? Don't you on an invert have to hit a switch to lower the platform then you have to switch to the dispatch button?

Also anyone who is against a second chance for people making mistakes what do you call all the people who have been in car accidents and have hurt or killed people that are out on the road today?
It was a mechanic...he had it in maintenance mode.

To Rachel (i think): This industry has high standards, and are constantly raising the bar, making things safer...even redundant at times. It's not like working in a retail store and giving the wrong change. A ride op is the same as a bus driver, airline pilot, etc. We have a 'duty of care'; there can be no room for breach.
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Old 07-29-2005, 10:24 PM
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FlimflamShwansn - I never thought of it that way. Although at the same time, We are human. Truuuuuuust me.... if you were fired for being rude((which at my store.....qualifies as not doing your job right) I wouldve been fired years ago. I'm quite the rude person when someone is rude to me. !! Back to the topic, we are human so I beleiev if something is actually an accident then a second chance could be plausable. Fortunately, I've neevr been hurt accidently by a ride operator and if I ever am, My view could completely change. Who knows. Its nice to know that you're this serious about your job. It makes me feel good about visiting parks.
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Old 07-30-2005, 03:02 PM
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Like Kelly said, at CP there are varying levels of punishment. There are 4 "steps" in the counseling process. Depending on the severity of the operational, you could get anything ranging from a simple write up, to being moved to a ride with a smaller chance of something happening again (Zone 2 loves to send people to Cad Cars), to being outright terminated. It all depends on the situation...
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Old 07-31-2005, 10:15 PM
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As the others mentioned, there are degrees of safety violations, with some being more serious than others. How you are disciplined will result in how serious of a safety violation you commit. If it's something minor, you'll probably get written up, talked to, and maybe have to do some retraining. If it's very serious and could have resulted in injury, kiss your job goodbye.

But circumstances and results will play a lot into that.
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