I wanted to know any employees out there that does so much for the park. That enforces all park polices and rules and do thing beyond duty. And you made a mistake or safety violation. And the park said if you get another safety violation you will be Terminated. Do you think the park should give the associate time to redeem him or her self? I wanted to know what are your procedures of safety violation and write ups.

1. Safety violation of any type- Write up
2. Happens again -Terminated
3. No rehire status for a year

Do keep in mind we are all humans WE MAKE MISTAKES! thanks you

Considering almost every incident with a coaster accident can be put on an employee I say I agree 100%. Depending on the case I'd say you could skip number one sometimes too.

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It does depends on the situation.

it depends how much they screwed up.

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LOL no no its not me that messed up I lost one of my friends he was Terminated. And Its another close friend close to being terminated aswell and she is a very good person, the park needs people like her. And me? lol I'm far from being terminated I havent had any violations this year. I just hate to see good people go.... Know what I mean?

I do. I made a few mistakes of my own at Carowinds back in 94 & 97. Thankfully i have grown up alot since then.

So yeah i agree people should have a 2nd chance, I've had 3.

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In this business you can't afford to make mistakes, and the consequences must be harsh. You have people's lives in your hands.

I think every park has different rules when it comes to safety violations.. and the point of having such rules leaves very little room to say.. "oh.. since she had a guest compliment an hour before.. we shouldn't fire her for doing blah blah.".. like everyone has said.. it depends on the situation, and it's the person's job that's giving the violation to set an example. when you work rides before you're certified you're told exactly what you can and can't do.. and at least at our park every job has written descriptions identifying what you can and can't do. when they make the manuals they've usually thought of everything. and when unusual situations come up during the season we add to the manual. when we have trainees we constantly ask... "do you have any questions.." because if the trainer doesn't know it.. the manual or someone else will. i think sometimes mistakes can happen, but usually such mistakes could cost lives, and if not lives someone could get hurt. at log flume guests like to splash eachother, and the reason why as cast members we have to tell them to keep their hands out of the water is because it keeps them from getting their hand caught in the through.

no matter what ride you work, kiddie or coaster, you should always have everyone's safety as your priority.

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^Well put. Guests aren't the only people you need to watch out for. You can forget the safety of your team...Wanna see 4 attendants jump/dive? Drop an invert's platform on them... and I still hate him to this day...

I think you really shoudnt have to many chances...cause if you keep giving more of them to people, that could be a time when someone gets hurt. People here are not understanding the concept of safety. They sometimes don't understand that they jepordize people's lives out there.

Speanking of dropping [eople on Inverts, we have had several people dropped this year already, some days it happened to the same person twice. It's ok now cause i think we have weeded out alll the bad op's except for maybe 1 or 2. I have yet too drop anyone or be dropped.

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Like someone else said, you have everyone's lives in your hands. If the screwup warrents it, I have no problem seeing the person terminated, whether they are a friend or not.

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For safety violations, more than a chance or two is too many.
On the other hand, for doing things like leaning on counters, not smiling enough, giving away prizes--even though they are all against company policy I don't think that any should be reason for a person to be fired or even targeted for firing. Warnings should suffice. I read a thread over on thispagecannotbedisplayed about a whole bunch of employees getting fired over writing on somebody's door (probably on a white board, but still) inside a dorm/apartment that upset that guys dad, and they were all fired for it (yes, it was company property, but that seems a little extreme).
I think if a park is going to give chances on safety violations they need to give chances on everything. Or nothing. Doing it both ways is just sort of messed up.

Saftey violation - as trump would say " You're Fired"

KW is big on saftey and if you do something that could seriously hurt a guest, then you get no second chances.

one of my friends was fired and she didn't even do anything wrong. It was another kid that got her fired. I was super mad about that. But his Karma came and got him, he got fired a few weeks ago for showing up late too much and he stole like 250 dollars from employees i heard. Thats what he gets. And something else big happened that got one of the supervisors fired. and the sad part is, she just got promoted to supervisor. She was a manager on my crew too before she got promoted. Lets just say it was a big saftey issue.

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Well the thing is people all make mistakes. At my park safety violations isnt a stranger to managment ears. I seen many "violations" stoped before it became serious. Such as I was on board (Control room) someone unbuckled their seatbelt and I prevented it from advancing to a serious mode. Thats what I mean by giving people second chances if the violation was prevented then there should be action taken but not firing the associate. If there was a huge Time line from when it happen example: Lets say if I failed to check a seat in March and it was prevented I will get a write up. And I did the same violation in the month of August and do keep in mind this is a seasonal job. I should get another write up not terminated it should depend on how long the violation time line was. Do any one agree with me? if not explain why????????=/

Well if anything, people should be moved to a place where there isnt much chance for operationals. Still if you put someone's life in danger there is not much time for a 2nd chance.

I agree MaGnUmKeLlY there shouldn't be room for a second chance if someone's life is endangered by someone who wasn't paying attention to their job.

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Hi all I hope you are having a great summer thus far. I just had to ask this question. What is dropping the platform on an invert. Since I have never run any kind of coaster but an older woodie. I do not know what that means. is this dropping a platform on a standup type coaster. In this case is it doing it without warning. I was just curious here. Thanks.

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Do you mean why do we drop a platform before a invert train dispatches?
If so, its because so tall peoples feet touch the floor a bit. They drop it so his/her feet does not drag while dispatching.

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I was at a kiddie ride and I had just taken someone's spot. As she was leaving, I hadn't realized she wasn't out the gate (she couldn't figure out how to open it at first). When I was giving spiels, I was keying on the control panel (which faces the side opposite the gate) and she was trying to open the gate to my back. Obviously, I stopped the ride as soon as I started it and turned around. It was my fault and I would have gotten a safety violation, but she should have said something like "Hold on, I'm leaving, don't start it yet." Luckily, I wasn't caught so it wasn't a big deal.

Safety is everyone's responsiblity, not just one person's. What you should have done was made sure she was out of harm's way before starting the ride. It was as much her fault as it was yours.

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But don't do that when an att. is still checking belts...or get ready to dive lol

I have come close to this mistake when you think someone has leaft. No one has ever gotton hurt. Once I had just put my finger on the start button and a parent jumped the fence to comfort his kid who just started crying. I had to e-stop. It made my heart just about stop. You just never know. I think its a knee jerk reaction to start when you are expecting an employee to exit. We are not purfect we can just do our very best.

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I don't work at a park but i feel you won't mind if I toss my two cents in.
Being human, I understand how anyone can make a mistake. If someone makes a mistakes that could put someone at risk I feel that another chance is fair. Yes they may have put someone's life at stake, But people make mistakes. Anyone could easily make a mistake operating any ride, No matter how long they've been operating for.
As previously mentioned, it would obviously depend on the situation. If you were screwing around and it was obvious that you weren't even paying attention and something goes wrong and you end up endangering someone, then I would say sure...termination. On the other hand...If you press the wrong button accidently or something (I don't work a ride..I don't know all the things you do), and you accidently put someone in danger, then I would say that isn't a great reason for termination. If you were to make that same accidental mistake one too many times.....then that would be another story.

Please don't jump on me for my opinion. If you disagree I wouldn't mind hearing why though. I figured I would say something since I'm only a rider and being so I understand how my safety when riding is my responsibility as well.

Why would you jump? Don't you on an invert have to hit a switch to lower the platform then you have to switch to the dispatch button?

Also anyone who is against a second chance for people making mistakes what do you call all the people who have been in car accidents and have hurt or killed people that are out on the road today?

It was a mechanic...he had it in maintenance mode.

To Rachel (i think): This industry has high standards, and are constantly raising the bar, making things safer...even redundant at times. It's not like working in a retail store and giving the wrong change. A ride op is the same as a bus driver, airline pilot, etc. We have a 'duty of care'; there can be no room for breach.

FlimflamShwansn - I never thought of it that way. Although at the same time, We are human. Truuuuuuust me.... if you were fired for being rude((which at my store.....qualifies as not doing your job right) I wouldve been fired years ago. I'm quite the rude person when someone is rude to me. !! Back to the topic, we are human so I beleiev if something is actually an accident then a second chance could be plausable. Fortunately, I've neevr been hurt accidently by a ride operator and if I ever am, My view could completely change. Who knows. Its nice to know that you're this serious about your job. It makes me feel good about visiting parks.

Like Kelly said, at CP there are varying levels of punishment. There are 4 "steps" in the counseling process. Depending on the severity of the operational, you could get anything ranging from a simple write up, to being moved to a ride with a smaller chance of something happening again (Zone 2 loves to send people to Cad Cars), to being outright terminated. It all depends on the situation...

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As the others mentioned, there are degrees of safety violations, with some being more serious than others. How you are disciplined will result in how serious of a safety violation you commit. If it's something minor, you'll probably get written up, talked to, and maybe have to do some retraining. If it's very serious and could have resulted in injury, kiss your job goodbye.

But circumstances and results will play a lot into that.

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