O.k so it's NOT the Ultimate showdown but it made you look in here didn't it?

[url]http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-07-2002/0001682374&EDATE=[/url]

All I have to say is WHOO HOOO! Go SF ! GO SF! Go Nuerosurgens who will find fault in markey's entire "Evidence" to support his bill! Go SF! DIE Markey!


Ok, Ok. Seriously I hope the American Association of Neurological Surgeons find's fault in all of markey's evidence. Since Pretty boy got hit by a bird, it will gain more recognition. Don't forget the Media's Blood thirst for any type of news that they can put a negative spin on. I hope the Media get's to put a negative spin on Markey for using such faulty evidence in his efforts to destroy the future of fun by limiting height and the amount of G's. The G's is kinda understandable but the height isn't.

Oh, and another thing, MOD's please don't lock this. It's ok to merge it though.

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I'm pretty sure they'll find some fault with Markey's statistics. We all know that roller coasters are prefectly safe and that almost all accidents are caused by riders not following directions.

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Wow! Go Six Flags!!!
Of course, they didn't say they were going to present this information directly to Markey, but I'm sure he'll hear about it! Then he'll feel pretty stupid!

PS, we already know a ton of errors in Ed's statistics. For example, we know that he includes carnival ride accidents, which are obviously way more common, in his statistics with rollercoasters.

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u can get hit with a goose riding on a motorcycle so should we begin to reduce the heights of motorcycles.....................................................i think not my fellow coaster enthusiasts

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Kick his @$$ SF!!! Knock some sence into that mofo.

I hope he learns a lesson from this cheap way to get in the news. And yes, you would have to be blind if you couldn't see the faults in his argument.

He's probably got coasterfobia and instead of facing his fears he's running away form them like a little sissy and trying to get all these laws and regulations passed that will suck all the fun out of coasters!:mad:

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I'm very proud of SF for doing this. I bet they'll find some falt w/ his statistics.

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Hmmm, I would REALLY like to see what Markey's argument is, it wasn't on that page. Any link to the content of the bill is much appreciated. Thanks.

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good job SF!!! its good that they are getting professionals to look into that so Markey can shut up.
heres the link for info on the Markey bill
[URL=http://www.house.gov/markey/iss_parkrides.htm]http://www.house.gov/markey/iss_parkrides.htm[/URL]

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Go to his website and click on "How Safe are roller coasters?"

He says that there are 0.61 fatalities per million miles of coaster riding. Look at the little "c" note at the bottom.

His math is off by a factor of 10^8. (900 million x 2880)/5280 does not equal 4.91 like he says. Instead, it equals 490909091. So really there are only 0.000000006 fatalities per million rides of coaster riding, not 0.61, far less than cars, trains, airplanes, or buses.

Basically, Markey is a scumbag politician who is lying to the people and to other ignorant congressmen who may listen to him.

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well, i wouldn't worry too much, since markey's legislation is still stuck in subcommittee, following the same fate of it's incarnation in the 106th.

if you want to decrease the chances of the bill ever being considered, then it is a good idea to educate the public on the subject (which is what sf is trying to do here).

however, i think that the reason why the CTCP subcommittee in the house hasn't considered the legislation is that no one really cares about it all that much. it isn't an epidemic, as deaths rarely if ever occur on fixed coasters DUE to the coaster and not the rider. Markey seems to be shouting at the sky and no one's listening.

and six flags is right. two months isn't enough time to do a real study on the subject. Markey and about a dozen other congressmen (including one senator, torecelli NJ) requested at the end of feb, that the BIA hold a panel on the subject and report their findings by may 2002.

but that's absurd. we really do need to develop an accurate study on the issue that will be deliberate and comprehensive. this would take a year to two years to do, because we need to look at the 13 cases cited by markey extremely closely. even though its a big jump in a short number of years, its still not enough to warrant a correlation. we need a method. we need a clear, objective study with a control and a variable group.

having said that, the whole thing is just ridiculous. let's assume for a moment that the 13 cases in 5 years cited are indeed a direct result of properly-functioning roller coasters. who cares? hundreds of thousands each year die of heart failure because they ate greasy foods like big macs. but we don't sue fast food chains for putting a 'dangerous' product on the market. there's such a thing as free choice and responsibility. of course there's a risk associated with riding roller coasters. anytime you travel 90mph and allow your body to be pulled at 4 times the force of gravity, there's risk. but riding a roller coaster is an active, not a passive activity. not only do you purchase a ticket and enter a park, you choose what you do at said park.

bottom line: riding a roller coaster, like eating hamburgers, entails a slight risk of injury or death. but its a choice, a choice that people should be allowed to make. there's no epidemic in this country, there is only anecdotes. and that's not enough to take away freedom.

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Eat our coasters' dust, Markey! Haha, he's going to need a lot more support to pass his stupid bill after this study too! :D :D :D

I think all coasterfans should move to the state hes from and vote in the election so he loses. That would be hilarious.

This 'neo-McCarthist' piece of junk, Mr. Markey doesn't even have any scientific proof to support his rediculous claim. In real world, coaster goes 5Gs because physics say so, not because of some politician or lawyer say so.

And you know what's the biggest flaw on Markey's claim, bigger and faster coasters are more hazardous to health! Mr. Markey, you should shut up and go back to learn physics. Gs is based on acceleration, not speed, what an idiot (or unless he knows the fact but try to mislead the public for his own political agenda).

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Oh he is definitely trying to mislead the public for his own agenda... see my previous post about how he was off by a factor of 10^8.

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