Ed Markey and Coasterhaters

Coasterfanman21 · #1 06-03-2002, 11:49 AM

I dont know if this topic has been done, i searched but i didn't find this exact site. Anyways, i searched Ed Markey on google and it came up with this Q&A of his on [url]http://www.themeparkinsider.com/accidents/q_and_a_markey.cfm[/url] it is a Q&A that makes you hate him even more. He's got these charts that you can click on from the Q&A that are very disturbing to think he puts this much time into hating on coasters. Also on that site if you click on one of the parks on the left side of your screen on that website you will be able to look at all the coasters at each park. Then click on a coaster and you will be able to read every little "injury" that has occurred on a ride. For instance I looked at the SOB and some kid wrote....yeah when i went the ride was so shaky that i think my head is seriously injured. Welp have fun.....

phantompenguin · #2 06-03-2002, 11:54 AM

[i]Do you think that the federal government needs to regulate maximum G forces on theme park rides?

[b]Rep. Markey: Maximum g-force limits are urgently required. Industry should set them, but industry does not, the government will have to do it.[/i][/b]

what a bastard.

coasterguy1 · #3 06-03-2002, 12:05 PM

agreed~

What is this guys email address? or just mailing address. I need to talk to this guy.

General Public · #4 06-03-2002, 01:27 PM

Ed Markey is a hero to all mankind, you should be grateful he is doing this for us.

/sarcasm

[SIZE=1][i]Mod note: you should've use the [b]EDIT[/b] button to post your sarcasm comment.[/i][/SIZE]

Alex T · #5 06-03-2002, 02:12 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by General Public [/i]
[B]Ed Markey is a hero to all mankind, you should be grateful he is doing this for us. [/B][/QUOTE] HAHA, that's great. I can stand all of these false claims, and "The industry doesn't set standards" Hmm, that's why almost all rides never go over 4.5 g's. Yeah no standards set there huh? I also never knew shaking could cause a brain injury when you are an adult. It's funny when I've ridden SOB about 15 times and never once had a "Brain Injury" Haha, that guy is such an idiot.

EDIT, GP, I knew you were being sacrasting lol. No enthusiasts would say something like that w/out being sarcastic lol. BTW, instead of making a new posts, just go back and edit it.

RaptorXLC · #6 06-03-2002, 04:54 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by General Public [/i]
[B]Sorry, forgot to add /sarcasm [/B][/QUOTE]

I think we all woud've understood, without that. Mainly, because what Markey supporter would spend so much time on a site like this.

SFGadvKing · #7 06-03-2002, 05:11 PM

Markey: [I]It turns out that it is more dangerous to ride a roller coaster than a train, bus or plane.[/I]

yes, on your little site there, it says the number of deaths per 100 miles traveled by the passenger. what kind of crap is that???!!! is he stupid or something!!?? rollercoasters dont go as far as trains and planes. a plane could travel 3000 miles in one trip while a rollecoaster only travels 3000 feet in one trip. you cant compare them by distabce traveled by passenger. he really is an ***hole.

MST3K_FREAK6666 · #8 06-03-2002, 06:03 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SFGadvKing [/i]
[B]Markey: [I]It turns out that it is more dangerous to ride a roller coaster than a train, bus or plane.[/I]

yes, on your little site there, it says the number of deaths per 100 miles traveled by the passenger. what kind of crap is that???!!! is he stupid or something!!?? rollercoasters dont go as far as trains and planes. a plane could travel 3000 miles in one trip while a rollecoaster only travels 3000 feet in one trip. you cant compare them by distabce traveled by passenger. he really is an ***hole. [/B][/QUOTE]

That's exactly what pisses ME off! Your airplane might travel [b]1,000 miles[/b] before crashing, on one ride. You would need 1,000 rides on a mile long coaster to have an equivalence, whereas on the plane you have one ride, and most rides are NOT 1 mile long, so you would need more rides. Your statistics don't make any sense!

Pantera Psycho · #9 06-03-2002, 06:38 PM

Personally, I don't even believe those statistics that Marky came up with about more deaths per so many miles. You can prove anything these days with "statistics" you just need to know where to get them so that your theory is proven right, and I can almost guarantee you that Markey used this tactic. The man is on a meaningless campaign to get rid of something he is totally oblivious to. He needs to worry about the trillions of more important things out there. The man has no sense of order.

EDIT - I forgot to mention how funny I found it that Marky mentions that parks claim that most accidents are rider fault, then dismisses the idea and totally dances out of the way of it. He obviously knows that he's wrong there, but doesn't want to admit it. The one fault I find in liberalism is that there's too much trust in the people and some want to give people the idea that they can do no wrong and it's the businesses or the system if anything bad happens to them.

Raging Rider · #10 06-03-2002, 08:16 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SFGadvKing [/i]
[B]Markey: [I]It turns out that it is more dangerous to ride a roller coaster than a train, bus or plane.[/I]

yes, on your little site there, it says the number of deaths per 100 miles traveled by the passenger. what kind of crap is that???!!! is he stupid or something!!?? rollercoasters dont go as far as trains and planes. a plane could travel 3000 miles in one trip while a rollecoaster only travels 3000 feet in one trip. you cant compare them by distabce traveled by passenger. he really is an ***hole. [/B][/QUOTE]yes, on your little site there, it says the number of deaths per 100 miles traveled by the passenger. what kind of crap is that???!!! is he stupid or something!!?? rollercoasters dont go as far as trains and planes. a plane could travel 3000 miles in one trip while a rollecoaster only travels 3000 feet in one trip. you cant compare them by distabce traveled by passenger. he really is an ***hole. [/B][/QUOTE]Exactly, I saw that number on one of the reports on his site and thought, so what if the injuries are less per mile on planes and trains? Thousands of planes leave the ground each day traveling hundreds or thousands of miles each time, and there are maybe 1,000 coasters in the world and less than half travel a mile in 3 minutes, while planes go a few miles every minute at their high speeds. He seems to twist things to make coasters sound bad, but why? He could be out there asking for better law enforcement on roads to save hundreds, maybe thousands more lives than he would trying to destroy roller coasters. He seriously needs to rethink his priorities.

Coasterfanman21 · #11 06-03-2002, 09:31 PM

You guys should click on the park chains on the left of the site and then go to one of you fav parks and rides and it will give you every little bad detail and injury that has ever happened on it. One person said they got whiplash on face off you really should read what some people complained about in the coaster section of the site.

The_Evil_Tediz · #12 06-03-2002, 10:03 PM

Homer Simpson's quote sums up the situation the best...

"Facts are meaningless. They can prove anything that's even remotely true."

Natelox · #13 06-03-2002, 10:04 PM

[Quote][I]
Aren't people safer—statistically--at theme parks than they are on the roads or even their homes? And aren't the accidents that do happen usually the victim's fault? Why then do we need any federal role in overseeing theme parks?

The only apples-to-apples comparison ever done that compares the fatality rate on roller coasters to the fatality rate on buses, train, planes and cars is available on my Web site (Acrobat Reader Required). It turns out that it is more dangerous to ride a roller coaster than a train, bus or plane. Only driving a car is more dangerous.
[/I][/Quote]

what a bunch of BS. How many people died this year on roller coasters? maybe 5 to 10. I heard a [B]ONE [/B]plane crashed in tiwan killing over 100 people, or how about sept. 11. killed over 5000 people. i could continue....

and that god damned quiz. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! I never really hated ed until this moment!!

Andy Hodgson · #14 06-04-2002, 12:08 AM

:mad:
I did a research paper this year on the history and functions of a rollercoaster. Ed Markey is wrong in several of his answers. For instance, the one where he was asked when he began to become interested in ride safety: he mention the injuries within 5 days, and looking into to safety, and seeing that rollercoasters were exemt from Fed. inspection in 1980. Does he know why they were given exception? Well, not many people do, but before 1980, the government actually did regulate amusement parks and carnivals. But, do to an excess in injuries, and struggles between Federal inspections, and park operations, the Consumer Product Safety Commission decided it would be in the best interest of both industries to allow amusement parks to do their own inspections and operations of rollercoasters. The CPSC didn't, however, grant 'immunity' to traveling carnivals, which is why they are still regulated. What would make this man try to get the government back into the rollercoaster industry, if they were asked to 'step down' in simple terms from it earlier in the century. This disturbs me, being the first large fact that he has used that he hasn't twisted, but completely overlooked. Along the lines of the apples to apples comparison of deaths on rollercoasters to other modes of transportation, I can guarantee that his site is the only site on the web giving statistics. His, however, is probably the only one to use a stupid constant, the miles per injury. Let's do a little number run down ourselves, shall we?

There are roughly 1400 rollercoasters around the world. The average train runs about 30 people. There is usually 2 trains per rollercoaster, making that 60 people for each run through. Each train goes through it's circuit on average about every 2 1/2 minutes. (2.5) So, thats about 30 runs every hour. Each day, a park is open about 10hrs, making that 300 runs each day with 60 people on them, with over 1400 coasters in the world. Then throw in the average park operation, which is around 150days, or 5 months roughly. So, that's 1400*300*60*150 which is 3,780,000,000 people riding rollercoasters each year, roughly. Then take the average injuries sustained, and deaths on rollercoasters each year. Let's go with this year, a bad one indeed. So far there have been about 5 deaths and about 20 injuries. 3,780,000,000 / 5 is 1 death out of every 756,000,000 each year, and 3,780,000,000 / 20 is 1 injury out of every 189,000,000 people each year. To me, those odds are outstanding, as that's about 1 death out of almost 3 United States populations, and 1 injury out of almost the entire United States population. And that's this year! What about in previous years when deaths and injuries were at all time lows? No transportation in the world has odds so great as those.

coasterguy1 · #15 06-04-2002, 12:39 AM

Still want that email address...Isnt there a site with listed Congressmen's addresses? I just need that, cause he needs a reality check.