06-09-2002, 07:57 PM
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Here is every inversion i can think of:
Loop, Interlocking loops
Corkscrew, Wingover, Interlocking corkscrews
Top hat
Boomerang, Cobra roll
Bowtie (dragon mountain)
Sidewinder (anaconda, slc)
Batwing (arrow 7 loopers, goudurix, montu)
Butterfly (goudurix, ninja@SFOG)
Sea serpent (medusa west)
Cutback (drachen fire)
Inline twist, Barrel roll, Zero-g roll, Heartline twist
Dive loop
Immelman
Rollover, Heart loop (Slc)
Inclined loop (Riddler's Revenge, Mantis, Chang)
Pretzel Loop (Moonsault Scramble)
Wraparound loop?
go here to try to decipher what a wraparound loop is
[url]http://www.coaster-world.com/glossary.shtml[/url]
After looking at all this, i notcied a few things. Inclined loops are only on b&m standups. Only vekoma and arrow use sidewinder loops. Premier has the only top hats. the cutback & pretzel loop are now non-existent. THe bow-tie exists in only one place. The rollover and sea-serpent are practically the same. If anyone can, will you find out what the heck a wraparound loop is or show me a picture. It really confuses me.
Tell me if i missed any inversions
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06-09-2002, 09:03 PM
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| | | Superman: Ultimate Flight has a pretzel loop. |
06-09-2002, 09:09 PM
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| | | Moving to "General Talk"...
It's interesting that different manufacturers will create the same type of inversion and call them different things -- but of course, that's a marketing issue. Everyone wants to have a nice, catchy name to sell their inversions / elements / coasters by. More for us!
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06-09-2002, 09:13 PM
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| | | Well, according to that website you provided, the wraparound loop sounds to be the second inversion on Fire Dragon at IOA. It's sort of like a sidewinder or an Immelmann and a helix wraps around the inversion.
Note about the pretzel loop (Click on the ride names for images): the one on [url=http://ft.coasterwire.com/meisho/moon.h6.jpg]Moonsault Scramble[/url] and [url=http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1568.htm?Picture=19]Superman: Ultimate Flight[/url] were a bit different. The one on Moonsault scramble turned the ride around 180 degrees (similar to an Arrow boomerang) and you enter facing the inversion, if that makes sense. The one on S:UF keeps you going in the same direction and enters parallel to the inversion. Look at the images in the links I provided. You'll see how the two differ.
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06-09-2002, 09:13 PM
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| | | a wrap around loop is found on the fire side of dueling dragons. It's an immelman w/ a helix after. In the pic the fire train is going through it right now:
[img]http://www.rcdb.com/full/universal-studios-islands-of-adventure/dueling-dragons15.jpg[/img]
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06-09-2002, 09:40 PM
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| | | I once had an argument with someone about that inversion. We were trying to figure out what a loopscrew was and he kept saying that one. It makes sense though like the previous element found on Drachen Fire, wraparound corkscrew.
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06-10-2002, 02:45 PM
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| | | I just want to add the double and triple corkscrew to your list, and that "wraparound loop" is really just like the same thing as an Vekoma SLC sidewinder basically.
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06-10-2002, 03:52 PM
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| | | i would call it an inclined sidewinder, but "wraparound loop" is the name that seems to have stuck. |
06-11-2002, 12:38 AM
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| | | where is there a triple corkscrew?
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06-11-2002, 01:33 AM
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| | | These don't really go together IMO:
Inline twist, Barrel roll, Zero-g roll, Heartline twist
An inline twist and a zero-g roll are the same thing, but a barrel roll is a corkscrew (B&M term) and a heartline twist has the center of the inversion at the middle (or so) of the person. The middle of an inline twist is the track. |
06-11-2002, 01:41 AM
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| | | [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by coaster9freak [/i]
[B]I once had an argument with someone about that inversion. We were trying to figure out what a loopscrew was and he kept saying that one. It makes sense though like the previous element found on Drachen Fire, wraparound corkscrew. [/B][/QUOTE]
No, Drachen Fire's "wraparound corkscrew" is an entirely different inversion element. It's called a 'Cutback'. Very few coasters sport this element though... |
06-11-2002, 06:17 PM
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| | | coasterglobe.com has a nice database of inversions.
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06-11-2002, 06:23 PM
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| | | A few comments:
A Sea Serpent (Medusa @ SFMW) and a Heart Loop (SLC) are basically the same thing, but on different types of coasters. The only real difference besides that is that the Sea Serpent dips more in the middle.
[URL=http://ft.coasterwire.com/arrow/trippl5.jpg]This[/URL] coaster, the Loop and Spiral Coaster at Fantasia Land in Korea, has a triple corkscrew, the only coaster in the world to do this.
There are different types of zero-g rolls. There's ones where it is rising up to where you are inverted, and then drop from the inverted part back to the non-inverted part (Kumba). There's ones where it ascends, does the zero-g roll, then descends (B:TR). And then there's ones where there is no ascending or descending at all (Colossus).
The "Pretzel Loop" on Moonsault Scramble and the one on Superman: Ultimate Flight are very different. The one on MS is like a regular Arrow Boomerang inversion, but with the half corkscrew parts crossing each other. The one on S:UF is more like an upside-down vertical loop. There's only one inversion on this one, and two on MS.
Your missing that inversion on Manhattan Express. It's like a dive loop, but starts with a half zero-g roll. There's also the Raven turn (X) thats kinda like a dive loop or an immelman, but without the twist and the begining/end. Oh, and the 180 degree rollovers like on Batwing.
Last of all, don't confuse inversions that are structurally the same thing, but are called different names by different companies, some of these names being the names of different inversions from other companies. Examples: the Arrow Batwing/B&M Cobra Roll/Vekoma Boomerang, the Arrow and Vekoma Boomerang/B&M Batwing, the B&M Sea Serpent/Vekoma Heart Loop, and the Arrow Corkscrew/B&M Flatspin.
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06-11-2002, 07:13 PM
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| | | [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rebel2000 [/i]
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There are different types of zero-g rolls. There's ones where it is rising up to where you are inverted, and then drop from the inverted part back to the non-inverted part (Kumba). There's ones where it ascends, does the zero-g roll, then descends (B:TR). And then there's ones where there is no ascending or descending at all (Colossus).
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Colossus has heartline rolls...totally different thing than Zero G Rolls |
06-11-2002, 07:45 PM
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| | | [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by kraxleRIDAH [/i]
[B]No, Drachen Fire's "wraparound corkscrew" is an entirely different inversion element. It's called a 'Cutback'. Very few coasters sport this element though... [/B][/QUOTE]
No, you're confused. The first inversion on Drachen Fire is the wraparound corkscrew.
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