Are you satisfied with the President?

sirius_kid · #1 09-20-2005, 01:41 PM

Hey TN I wanted to know what do you think of president George W. Bush? He is doing a great job for his second term? What do you think he is doing in the following areas....

1. Iraq war

2. Hurricane Katrina

3. Gas Prices

4. Terrorism

5. Overall performance

FLCC Josh · #2 09-20-2005, 02:07 PM

I don't vote....so I dont have an opinion.

ErioL · #3 09-20-2005, 02:16 PM

[QUOTE=sirius_kid]Hey TN I wanted to know what do you think of president George W. Bush? He is doing a great job for his second term? What do you think he is doing in the following areas....

1. Iraq war

2. Hurricane Katrina

3. Gas Prices

4. Terrorism

5. Overall performance[/QUOTE] 1-5 scale.

1. Iraq - Prez is doing a 2.5....but we need more then that.

2. Katrina is not a federal issue nearly as much as a state issue, and the state was slow in responding, creating a slower federal response. I don't blame the prez for this, but I don't know how to rate him.

3. Gas - Prez is a 3.

4. Terrorism - Prez is a 4.

Overall - Prez is a 2. He gets this below average ranking because of his non-existant border policies. With proper border security I might give him a 3.

**Wes** · #4 09-20-2005, 02:29 PM

1. Iraq war - 3/10

First thing is that we should have never gone in in such a rush. Secondly it seems like they don't have a real plan to get out of there. Third the whole thing just reminds me too much of Vietnam

2. Hurricane Katrina - 7/10

All this pointing fingers at Bush is rediculous. FEMA and the City of New Orleans are really to blame IMO. You can't tell me that any city the size of New Orleans should just go around like they did with the "it won't happen to me" mentality and it not be partially their fault. New Orleans should have planned for this ages ago.

3. Gas Prices - 5/10

Congress and the President's team in general have really dropped the ball on this. This should have been address a long time ago.

4. Terrorism - 5/10

After seeing how slowly FEMA responded to Katrina, I'm not very confident that they could handle a major attack.

5. Overall performance - 5/10

**Brian F** · #5 09-20-2005, 03:22 PM

#1- Iraq war. reasons for war, 10/10. Execution of the war, 5/10. We need to be much stronger against the insurgency. I'm not sure exactly what the best way to go about this is, but I'm relatively certain more boots on the ground are a step in the right direction.

#2 Hurricane Katrina - 7/10. The president wanted to send in the Nat'l guard later in the Monday that the storm hit. The LA governor turned him down. The mayor of New Orleans and the Governor truly dropped the ball. FEMA guidelines CLEARLY stated that in event of a disaster, you shouldn't expect the feds to help for 48-72 hours. Were these people unable to read? Also, were the governor and the mayor oblivious to the fact that New Orleans is below sea level, in a hurricane path, (been hit before) and had problems with it's levee system? And why is it, in the media, now the president's fault? Could it be be because the president is Republican, and the governor and mayor are Democrats? Still, Bush should have told the Governor to shove it, and sent in the help early anyway. He could have (and should have) done more, but it wasn't his responsibility to do the immediate actions.

3 Gas prices- 0/10. We need to break the illegal price fixing going on among oil companies. Not to mention the gouging. And hey, where are the kool-aid liberals with their "war for oil" chants now that gas prices are so high? (Note: the term "kool aid Liberals does not apply to ALL liberals, just the ones who do not think for themselves, but simply allow CNN to do it for them) But, exactly what power does the president have over the worldwide economy, and supply and demand?

4. Terrorism 8/10- We've had no major attacks in the US for four years. But we wouldn't be terribly shocked if there were one tomorrow, would we? I think the fact that we haven't had any speaks well of what is being done, because if you think the Islamofascists (I'm condemning a PART of Islam here, not the entire faith) haven't wanted and tried to hit us in the last five years, you're wrong. We've hurt the terrorists, but we haven't stopped them completely. And Bin Laden and Zarchawi (sp?) are still breathing, so I can't give anything higher.

Overall performance 7/10 I would say his biggest strengths have been in the war against terror, and the economy (which is already much better than what he inherited when he took office. Yes, it was on the way down before the election)

His biggest blunder has been inaction in the border situation. If we stil have terrorist operativs entering this country (and I believe we do) they are certainly coming in through the southern border.

Chris L · #6 09-20-2005, 03:37 PM

Overall, I am not satisfied with the President.

SheiKra · #7 09-20-2005, 04:03 PM

Wow! I'm actually suprised that nobody has bashed him yet. I've been waiting to see a civil thread about how the president's been doing for a while.

Iraq War- 10/10 This has been going on for 25 years and I'm glad he is doing something about it.

Hurricane Katrina- 10/10 I was in hurricane Charley in 2004 so I know what these people are going through. I didn't have power for 2 1/2 weeks in 100 degree weather. Although a lot more people are victims of this disaster, the blame game isn't going to solve anything. Just do what the National Guard asks of you and expect the least and you will get out fine.

Gas Prices- 5/10 It is not entirely the Presidents fault for the recent rise in gas prices, but more so OPEC's. The reason I voted 5/10 is because I think something could be done that is a little more effective than the current plan. I think Alaska is a huge area for oil and drilling there wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Terrorism- 10/10 Since 9/11, we have been terror free, which is the Presidents strongest aspect.

Overall- 8/10 Getting the job done, and that is all I ask for in a President.

Jerry S · #8 09-20-2005, 04:11 PM

^You and I think alike. What you said states what I think also. I wasn't in the same situation as you with the Hurricane, but I still think he gets a 10, because as soon as he was given the jurisdiction over the hurricane, he was on it like a fat kid on cupcakes.

coasterdude28 · #9 09-20-2005, 04:18 PM

Chris L said what I feel. I am not satisfied with him.

sirius_kid · #10 09-20-2005, 05:08 PM

fbamama73 I liked how you stated what you said. It seems like you and most of you guys really thought about what you said. And not doing the blame game I was kinda skeptical about making this thread but now I'm happy I did.

Montu Man · #11 09-20-2005, 05:18 PM

I can't vote, but I think Bush is a total ******.

AdrenalinexX · #12 09-20-2005, 05:39 PM

I like Bush but I'm a little dissapointed with how long the war is taking. I wish it'd end already but yea over all I'd give him a 8/10.

Bencerisback · #13 09-20-2005, 05:50 PM

I am still a bush fan, although he should not have taken the blame for hurricane katrina. Bush also should not rebuild New Orleans because it is going to be rebuilt below sea level again...and with hurricane Rita, i think it may get hit again.

It was Louisianna's fault for building the city below sea level, not bush's.

Carowinds 73-03 · #14 09-20-2005, 05:55 PM

I am very dissapointed in your President. Not likeing what he's doing at all. Overall on a scale of 1-5 i would personally give him a 1.

ErioL · #15 09-20-2005, 08:28 PM

[QUOTE=Carowinds 73-03]I am very dissapointed in your President. Not likeing what he's doing at all. Overall on a scale of 1-5 i would personally give him a 1.[/QUOTE] He's YOUR president dude. It really is a sad day when you can't even embrace and respect the institution of democracy that is set up. Your trying to alienate yourself from this system which is pathetic. I don't agree with Bush on many things, but at least I understand the system of government we have and will not try to severe myself from that just because I don't like someone whos been elected.

ErioL · #16 09-20-2005, 08:30 PM

[QUOTE=bEnCeRiSbACk]
It was Louisianna's fault for building the city below sea level, not bush's.[/QUOTE] And btw I'd like to point out that the city was not built below sea-level, but rather that it sank due to dredging of the Mississippi and other activities and natural events over time.

***Steven*** · #17 09-20-2005, 08:55 PM

Since I am a voter, and twice I voted against him, I'll be glad to comment.

[b]1. Iraq war: 1/10[/b]

Yeah... it's great that we "liberated" Iraq. I remember that first, we weren't occupying them, but in fact we are, and probably will for a few more years. Also, it has destabilized a country that is actually reported to be more of a terrorist training ground SINCE we ousted Hussein (see below). Lastly, I love how we were misled saying they had weapons of mass destruction, which they STILL have not found any evidence, and have admitted that they goofed in that aspect, but they quickly went and changed their dance to say how good it is to oust Hussein. In reality, all Hussein really was is someone who just wanted attention.
[b]
2. Hurricane Katrina: 5/10[/b]

I'll give him credit for stepping up, but it was too little, too late. The problem is he appointed too many people who don't know what to do in the event of a real disaster, plus FEMA is so wrapped up in red tape and bureaucratic paperwork that everything takes days to get done. I do feel that while state authorities take blame, the feds had as much play into it as well.

He has asked for reduced funding for the Army Corps of Engineers, when scientists, meteorologists, and others have always predicted that a hurricane will wreak that much havoc on New Orleans. Yeah, it would have cost $10 billion to upgrade the flood protection systems, but look at how much we're spending to bail them out ($60-100 billion in government funds, not counting any charity or insurance dollars). What's odd is NO ONE has said anything about what they will do to prevent this from happening again... only about fixing and rebuilding.

[b] 3. Gas Prices: 0/10[/b]

Since he took office, gas prices have more than doubled. While he or anyone else close to him will deny this... he is making loads of money... he just won't see that profit until January 20, 2009 because it's deferred. That, and he doesn't want to hurt his friends' (Saudis) profits.

[b] 4. Terrorism: 2/10[/b]

While the US hasn't had a terrorist attack on US soil since 2001, we have not come close to making a "real" victory in making a dent in Al Qaeda. Why haven't we even captured Bin Laden, when he promised to do so? Lastly, when we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, all we served to do is to clear a lot of Afghanistan and push them into Pakistan, or create a new terrorist playground in Iraq. It's like trying to clean up a spill with a wet sponge... all you'll do is spread the mess further.

[b] 5. Overall performance: 2/10[/b]

I think we made our country the laughingstock of the world since he's taken office... in fact I feel less safe living here now than before 9/11. Plus, as much as he's spending... our generation is going to have to pay for it, and likely our kids (and maybe our grandkids) will have to pay for it. He took a balanced budget and made a deficit out of it with the supposed tax cuts (which I have seen zero of). I think he's too blinded by the conservative and religious right that our real issues have been neglected.

Now, he's talking about going back to the Moon (13 years for $104 billion by 2018, using Space Shuttle and Apollo technology). While I'm for it (looking back, I think we should've stayed)... I think there are several areas that need to go back to the drawing board (like sending all 4 astronauts to the surface... bad idea).

SheiKra · #18 09-20-2005, 09:08 PM

^ We'll get Osama, don't worry. Remember, the [url="#"]United States[/url] has technology that isn't even imaginable in your mind. Trust me, we got Sadam, and we'll get Bin Laden. Mark my words...and I mean it...

Another thing (and this is directed towards everyone), don't you all think that it is funny that we all have totally different opinions that we all think are facts? Sometimes, I just the media would tell the truth and stop lying. Anybody feel the same?

***Graham*** · #19 09-20-2005, 09:23 PM

Honestly you can’t just blame Bush... you need to look at the entire administration, that’s where the real problem is. We have an idiot in office but even worse his advisors ans staff are equally incompetent. Now while bush and I don’t have the same view on just about every social and political issue I will give the man this... he seems like a nice guy.

Overall I'd give him a 2/10 for appearing to care.

Martin · #20 09-20-2005, 09:57 PM

[QUOTE=SheiKra]^ We'll get Osama, don't worry. Remember, the [url="http:///#"]United States[/url] has technology that isn't even imaginable in your mind. Trust me, we got Sadam, and we'll get Bin Laden. Mark my words...and I mean it...[/QUOTE]
Doesn't look like that's the main objective right now. Hopefully they get him and his allies before he attacks our country once again.

Sir Willow · #21 09-21-2005, 12:18 PM

[QUOTE=ErioL]He's YOUR president dude. It really is a sad day when you can't even embrace and respect the institution of democracy that is set up. Your trying to alienate yourself from this system which is pathetic. I don't agree with Bush on many things, but at least I understand the system of government we have and will not try to severe myself from that just because I don't like someone whos been elected.[/QUOTE]

Your forget that not everyone who posts here lives in the US. If he doesn't live in the US, then Bush is NOT his president.

Overall, I do have to say I'm impressed by the thread. I to expected it to degrade to a bunch of flamewars by now.

Question, for those that think we should be out of Iraq by now, how do you propose to do that? How long did you think it would take? Do you realize how long it took for us to get out of Germany and Japan after we rebuilt them after World War 2? Oh, wait, that's right. We STILL have military in those countries! (Yes, I know their purpose is different now, but that's where our presence there started)

You can't rebuild and stabilize a country in a short period of time- especially one with the long history of violence that most of those in the Middle East have. It's going to take a while. If you leave without the job being done, it'll be far worse than staying or if we'd never gone in at all.

Drewbie · #22 09-21-2005, 01:20 PM

[b]1. Iraq war: 0/10[/b]

He gets a 0 since we shouldn't be there in the first place. Therefore, regardless of how he manages the current situation, thousands have died for reasons that were exagerated or just plain made up. We went because Bush wanted to avenge his daddy. He had plans for war with Iraq as soon as we was elected. His own father advised against going to war and avoided taking out Saddam back in '91 because there was no viable exit strategy and now all of us and our soldiers over there are stuck with the sacrifices and cost for generations to come.

[b] 2. Hurricane Katrina: 5/10[/b]

I have to agree that he bears minimal responsibility for the events that transpired, however, it was his administration that selected the FEMA chief that was vastly under qualified. It was his administration that buried FEMA under the Dept. of Homeland Security and removed it from being a cabinent level agency and all the benefits of being at that lvl.

[b] 3. Gas Prices: 0/10[/b]

With taking over Iraq and the availability of the oil from there that was previously banned due to trade restrictions, why do we have the highest gas prices in history? Why has there not been any significant legislation to force fuel economy advances from auto manufacturers? You can't tell me that since the development of the internal combustion engine that developers haven't figured out a way to stretch fuel economy farther than they have. At the risk of being a tin foil hat type of guy, the oil guys and that auto guys are so tied together, it's hard to see where one stops and the other starts. Then you've got all the speculators in the market increasing the price of oil to a rate where entire industries that were already on the edge of collapse (airlines) are pushed into mass bankruptcy. Things could be done better, but they aren't and the reason why they aren't is why he gets a 0.

[b] 4. Terrorism: 0/10[/b]

Osama Bin Ladin has not been captured in the over 4 years since 9/11. That is completely unacceptable. He was the core of the group that downed the World Trade Center, yet we have multiple times more troops tied up in Iraq fighting an unrelated enemy with no good reason. Iraq has become a Holy War for the cult that is Bushism and that is the reason we will continue to be attacked by terrorist. Bush's cocky attitude has not and will not sway the feelings of Islamic Extremists. I don't want us to negotiate with terrorists, but I want us to respect other cultures.

[b] 5. Overall performance: 0/10[/b]

I give Bush a 0 because there is no reason after all the things he has done to this country that he is still in office. He has lied in ways that make Clinton saying that he didn't bop Monica seem childish (which it was, but that's another thread). I recently saw coasterlove's signature talking about how Bush apologized and accepted that he was at fault for events that transpired after Katrina. Great, but he wasn't at fault there. I ask, where was a single apology or accept of blame for the lies that led to Iraq? For the deaths of the our military personel? For screwing the country into staying in Iraq for years? For spending more time on vacation so far during his presidency while dealing with some of the largest issues to face this country since the heat of the Cold War than former presidents had during their entire term? For keeping Staff members around that have been proven to have leaked top secret information about members of our intelligence community after saying anyone caught would no longer be employed? He has alot of things to apologize for and when he finally accepts blame, I would be more than willing to rethink my 0 .

***Steven*** · #23 09-21-2005, 03:49 PM

[QUOTE=SheiKra]^ We'll get Osama, don't worry. Remember, the United States has technology that isn't even imaginable in your mind. Trust me, we got Sadam, and we'll get Bin Laden. Mark my words...and I mean it...

Another thing (and this is directed towards everyone), don't you all think that it is funny that we all have totally different opinions that we all think are facts? Sometimes, I just the media would tell the truth and stop lying. Anybody feel the same?[/QUOTE]

Then why haven't we put as much effort into finding Osama as we have with Hussein? We're talking 4 years of him being on the lam here. Then, Bush is quoted in saying (on TV) that "I just don't spend that much time on it, to be honest." Also, if we had all of this technology, why haven't we captured him? Sounds like someone who is actively hunting down Bin laden.

Also, as a side note... Hussein was captured because they were thorough... not because they had X-Ray vision and could see in his little underground hideaway. About the latest in technology there was could've been the digital photo/video equipment they had.

Raptor · #24 09-21-2005, 06:36 PM

I agree with Steven and Drewbie in this thread. And as far as trying to find Osama, it's unlikely it will happen anytime soon. What's even more unlikely, though, is that they are still putting a lot of effort into finding him. If Bush [i]really [/i]wanted to find him, we would have already. But I doubt he really cares... it was just a farce to start the whole war in the first place.

RLLrCoastrLover · #25 09-22-2005, 03:35 PM

was not satisfied with the president from point 1; point 2-4 have not helped.

RllrCoasterFan · #26 09-22-2005, 03:52 PM

Agreed with Drewbie. I just can't believe this guy got re-elected. It disgusts me and then at other times I agree with. Then he'll go mess up and easy expression or sentence and I'll just shake my head and be like, I can't believe. I don't think he is our worst President but he is the dumbest. I do think he is getting a paycheck from the oil and gas companies. We just have to much oil still in our country and getting it from the east (the far east). Some of it is the peoples fault with buying these suvs and other vehicles that only are getting 5 miles to the gallon but there shouldn't even be a possibility that the price will get to 5 dollars that is rediculous. I feel like our gov't, people in it anyway are laughing at us and the oil companies are walking all the way to the bank with it.

Montu Man · #27 09-22-2005, 09:21 PM

I'm not going into details, but I saw Bush over the summer. He looks as dumb and confused with his blank exprssions and squinting to look at speech cards in person as he does on T.V.

Bencerisback · #28 09-22-2005, 10:57 PM

I give him a 7/10 even though I like him a whole lot more than I would have liked Kerry. Bush stands for the things I stand for. He may not be the brightest guy on the planet, but hes gone through some rough things....9/11, High Gas Prices (which isnt much of his fault and I dont think any politician would have done differently), and Hurricane Katrina which all have been blamed on him. Too many people hold grudges against him and many do just because hes conservative. Many people do have their reasons though and I will respect their opinions (unless its an unreasonable thing).

His dumbest move in my opinion would probably be taking blame for Katrina and then saying we will rebuild it...below sea level...That ticks me off the most, and it almost makes me to want Rita to hit New Orleans to show that the idea is not that practical.

Thunderhawk · #29 09-23-2005, 12:03 AM

1-10 Scale
[b]1) Iraq war: 0/10. [/b]We achieved "victory" quickly. Yet, the death toll is getting worse by the day. The "victory" is not complete when you consider there have been more deaths after the so-called victory than before it. We cannot win this war without completing wiping out all who oppose us in Iraq. And that is called genocide.
Plus, did anyone really buy the justification for going into this war? Seriously. I didn't buy it, and I doubt even most of the staunch republicans did. It was a feint to keep us from paying attention to the fact that "hey, Al Qaeda is still in business." As Lewis Black said (pretending to be George W) "We may not be able to get Osama Bin Laden, but we can get this (expletive deleted - implying Saddam) I assure you!"

[b]2) Hurricane Katrina: 5/10.[/b] So many things went wrong here at so many levels. People should have left. People should have been given tons of aid to leave before the disaster. The city was built with inadequate levies for this kind of situation. The gov't was slow to react. He isn't doing a great job, and he isn't doing a terrible job. Ex-prezs Bush sr. and Clinton seem to be more helpful right now.

[b]3) Oil: 0/10.[/b] A president was elected with oil money in his pocket. A president from the state that is a leader in oil output in the U.S. Ever try asking an Iowan representative to support removing price protections on crops? He won't say yes. This whole thing is a nightmare; while it's clearly not his fault about the two hurricanes, it is his job to push reform of oil laws. E.g., put pressure on congress to enact legislation to set a ceiling price on oil. That hasn't happened, and it won't. P.S. The oil deal with Haliburton in Iraq, where haliburton was the sole bidder, isn't helping his credibility.

[b]4) Terrorism: 7/10.[/b] I don't buy "there hasn't been a terrorist attack since september 11th." Well, there were only a few before that in american history, too. This doesn't prove his track record. What does prove his effectiveness is the fact that many of Al Qaedas leaders have been captured. This is one area I have faith in.

[b]5) Overall: 2/10. [/b]There are just so many things I don't like here. The lines between religion and government are being blended by this man. We are regressing socially, as we move toward banning abortion and taking away certain decisions that women should be allowed to make. The rich are getting breaks the poor aren't.

Kudos to everyone participating in this discussion without insulting/flaming each other. I am very impressed and expected to see a flamewar when I opened this thread.

Gawiccan86 · #30 09-23-2005, 12:27 AM

Even though I did not vote Bush into office in either election( What could I do, I just turned 18 last December) and Since I get to help pick his Successor, I'm gonna rate him.
[B]1. Iraq War 7/10[/B]
I'm giving him a 7/10 because even though he lied about the WMD's, I still feel he's done a good job rebuilding the country.

[B]2. Hurricane Katrina 9/10[/B]
I'm giving him a 9/10 because he's done the best job he could do. He didn't create this hurricane and send it to kill all the black people, this was completely out of his control. Sure the FEMA director screwed up, but it's Not Bush's fault.

[B]3. Gas Prices 9/10[/B]
Again, this isn't Bush's fault, He can't control OPEC. He Can't drill in Alaska for oil( Drilling for oil in Alaska is something I'm strongly against)
He's just been doing the best he can do.

[B]4. Terrorism 10/10[/B]
I'm giving him a 10/10 because it's been over 4 years since 9/11 and whats happened since, NOTHING!!! We haven't had a single Terror attack since here in the U.S.A. This shows me that Bush is doing a Fantastic job preventing terrorism here in the U.S.A.

[B]5. Overall Job 9/10[/B]
Sure I don't agree with Bush's Religious and Enviromental Views, but I feel he's done a fantastic job. I believe he will go down as one of the Best Presidents EVER!!!!!

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