Toledo Riots

89magnumxl200 · #1 10-15-2005, 08:35 PM

Who here has heard about the riots in Toledo today? People were rioting over a Neo Nazi march that ended up not even taking place. The Neo Nazi's were there to march against the minority gangs in the area, but the city insisted there were none (they're obviously lieing). When they were interviewing people, they clearly interviewed a gang member, based on his clothing.

Commonsense · #2 10-15-2005, 08:39 PM

So just because a person wears a certain type of clothing makes them a gang banger.....I hate stero types....some people are complete idiots.

89magnumxl200 · #3 10-15-2005, 08:48 PM

^ that's uncalled for to call me an idiot.

Many people around him were wearing the same clothes, and he even said he was in the middle of the action, and almost got into a fight.

**Andrew Polcyn** · #4 10-15-2005, 09:25 PM

First off, you made the assumption that he was in a gang based on his clothing.

Here's some news articles:

[URL="http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=3981004"]http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=3981004[/URL]
[URL="http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051015/BREAKINGNEWS/51015023"]http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051015/BREAKINGNEWS/51015023[/URL]

coasterlove · #5 10-16-2005, 01:38 AM

Whether he was a gang member or not (he probably is) doesn't really matter in my opinion. If he was involved in the riot, does that make him any better than anyone else who might be in a gang? Also, if he dresses like on, he's asking for trouble. It's explained in schools, what colors and whatever else to avoid because of gangs. So if he dresses as one purposely to look like one, why is someone wrong...or an idiot for assuming he is one?

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck....

If it dresses like a gangbanger, walks like a gangbanger....

Now onto the issue of the riot. It disgusts me personally. Why is it that white people can't speak their minds peacefully without being rioted or disrupted in some major way? They might not be right to others and people will disagree but don't they have freedom of speech? Black people say negative things about white people all the time and it's protected. Just look at many rap songs, movies, etc for proof of that. To me, it smell like a double standard.

**Andrew Polcyn** · #6 10-16-2005, 03:18 AM

And the Nazi group is blaming police for the riot, basically for losing control of the residents. Now I don't know whose idea it was to hold the rally there, but that IS a black neighborhood, scattered with old white people. So whoever planned it is a moron. If anything, something like this should have been held downtown.

And for the uninformed, I used to live in Toledo, I know the city like the back of my hand.

raser · #7 10-16-2005, 04:29 AM

This is why I drive past Toledo at 70 and don't look back...

siestakey · #8 10-16-2005, 09:55 AM

I didn't hear anything, but I heard about the gang figt in Freehold Mall in NJ. lol.

***Steven*** · #9 10-16-2005, 06:45 PM

You wonder why you're up to 500 posts but can't have an avatar, siestakey, that's an example of a post right there. It doesn't contribute.

I'm familiar with Toldeo, with as much as I've been in the town, and honestly, I think that Nazis and KKK love to incite this type of stuff, and sadly, the "targets" react the way they want to (which I think the Nazis went home happy about because it just proved their point).

raser · #10 10-16-2005, 08:12 PM

^ Steven I think these organizations are out to just try and insight people to the point that they do something like this then these groups sit back and say "see we told you those @@@@@@ are not worthy of being on this earth". I am very against these type of organizations as there is no reason to hate anyone because of their nationality or race...

**Andrew Polcyn** · #11 10-16-2005, 08:37 PM

And for those that want to read more:

Main article: [URL="http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051016/NEWS16/51016003"]Nazi Visit ignites violence; 60 arrested[/URL]
[URL="http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051016/NEWS16/510160413"]Businesses close; school dances cancelled[/URL]
[URL="http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051016/NEWS16/510160393"]North Toledo man feels used by Nazis, says crime is high[/URL]
[URL="http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051016/NEWS16/510160388"]Nazis blame police for unrest[/URL]

And in that last article, this pissed me off: [quote]
"They have a riot in their city," he said. "It's probably what they deserve."[/quote]

"He" being Bill White, the spokesperson of the group.

And this...
[quote]
The National Socialist Movement espouses the idea of genetic superiority of white people. Mr. White, who is a landlord in Roanoke, told The Blade in a previous interview that the group doesn't want to "kill" minorities, "we just want them to be removed from our country."[/quote]

Um...okay...where?

raser · #12 10-16-2005, 11:53 PM

These so called inteligent and superior people should realise that there are many minorities that have been more beneficial and contributed more to making this world a better place...

**Brian F** · #13 10-17-2005, 12:42 AM

[QUOTE=raser] I am very against these type of organizations as there is no reason to hate anyone because of their nationality or race...[/QUOTE]

I agree 100+%

But, the first amendment applies to these nitwits, too. The only way to deny them is if THEY get violent with their demonstration. The first amendment DOES say "peaceable assembly," so if the skinheads get the least bit out of line, I say shut them down- hard if necessary.

**Andrew Polcyn** · #14 11-11-2005, 06:02 PM

*BUMP*

Toledo Riots---Take two! Action!

[URL="http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051109/NEWS16/51108035"]http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051109/NEWS16/51108035[/URL]

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The neo-Nazi group whose visit last month incited the worst rioting in Toledo in decades said it plans to return to the city Dec. 10.

Spokesman Bill White said the National Socialist Movement plans to hold a demonstration against the police and the city for their handling of the group’s planned Oct. 15 march, which was canceled before it began but resulted in rioting for several hours afterward.

More than 120 people were arrested after rioters burned Jim & Lou’s bar, looted a carryout gas station and other businesses, flipped over a car, and injured a police officer and two firefighters with rocks. Two Blade photographers were also physically assaulted, and a WTVG-13 vehicle was damaged in the riot, which received national attention.

This time, Mr. White said, the neo-Nazis plan to rally on the steps in front of Government Center downtown instead of returning to the north end.

Mr. White said the demonstration would begin at noon and last an hour or two. He said there will be more uniformed members of the National Socialist Movement rally than the last time.

Less than two dozen members showed up for the Oct. 15 march, but the group claims dozens of other members were denied access to the area by authorities. Details for the December demonstration were discussed at a state meeting in Dayton over the weekend, he said.

City and police officials said they only learned of the event yesterday and are trying to confirm the information.

“We are looking into it to see what our next step will be,” said Mary Chris Skeldon, spokesman for Mayor Jack Ford’s administration. “We’ll have to see what they do, and we’ll have to respond.”

City officials have met and worked on legal and police response strategies in case the group followed through on its publicly announced intention to return, but she declined to discuss details of the strategies.

Ms. Skeldon inferred in the interview with The Blade the city may consider some sort of legal challenge to the planned demonstration.

In refusing to discuss the city’s strategies, she said city Law Director Barb Herring “felt strongly that we should present that to the court and not to the media.”

Mr. White said Mark Martin, the movement’s Ohio unit leader, left a voice mail message with a police lieutenant Monday requesting a permit to hold a rally. He said the group has had a dialogue with authorities, but he was not privy to any conversation.

Ms. Skeldon said the group has not applied for a permit.

Police Chief Mike Navarre said the city has not received any written notification from the group.

“Our position is we don’t want them to come back period,” he said. “They’re not welcome here, and we don’t want them back.”

Michael Sullivan, property manager at Government Center — a state-owned building — has not been contacted by the group.

“I don’t know that they need to have a permit as long as they keep [the entrances and exits] open and not obstruct,” he said. “It’ll be on a Saturday. The building’s closed.”

Bob Reinbolt, spokesman for Carty Finkbeiner — who ran against Mayor Ford in yesterday’s election — said regardless of who won the race, the current administration will be responsible for dealing with the group’s possible return.

“If we should win, we will work closely with Mayor Ford and his public safety team to make sure the situation is addressed appropriately,” Mr. Reinbolt said.

Rumors circulated that the group would return to North Toledo last weekend. Mr. White had repeatedly said the group would not say where or when its next event would be held. He said the movement’s national commander, Jeff Schoep, decided to announce the Toledo rally.

“He wants to make very clear the National Socialist Movement is a lawful and law-abiding organization. We are not trying to provoke lawlessness. To conduct this rally in this manner was the best way to reinforce this impression,” Mr. White said.

He said state leaders have been in the North Toledo neighborhood, and national leaders have been talking with people there.

Mr. White said if the group asks for a permit and is denied, it will march through the north end or other parts of the city either on the same day or around the same day.

“We are bending over backward to accommodate the authorities in Toledo even when they are not accommodating us,” he said.

Terry Glazer, executive director of the Lagrange Development Corp., said he is glad the group is not seeking a rally in the North Toledo neighborhood again. He said he assumes officials will keep the group out of the city’s neighborhoods.

“I know the Ford administration has checked the legal issues on this, they’ve told us that, and will prevent them from marching in the neighborhood,” Mr. Glazer said.

At least one juvenile, possibly two, may stand trial as adults for their alleged roles in last month’s riot, Larry Kiroff, head of the Lucas County prosecutor’s juvenile division, said yesterday.

Seventeen juveniles arrested for riot-related charges were to appear in Lucas County Juvenile Court yesterday. Many cases were continued for another trial date because numerous defense attorneys were watching videotape of their clients’ alleged criminal behavior for the first time.

Mr. Kiroff said one defendant didn’t appear and a warrant was issued for his arrest. Prosecutors plan to ask a judge today to certify one boy to stand trial as an adult; another request may be filed later.

He echoed the words of Dean Mandros, an assistant Lucas County prosecutor who heads the office’s criminal division, who last month said no pleas will be accepted in cases with serious charges and solid evidence.

“We take these cases very seriously,” Mr. Kiroff said. “This is not going to be open season on police.”

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And more from the first riot: [URL="http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051111/NEWS03/511110402"]http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051111/NEWS03/511110402[/URL]

offtopic...I think I'd rather have the highschool sex scandal in my city instead of this.

Katie · #15 11-11-2005, 06:13 PM

That is just wrong. Anyone heard of the 2 13 year old twins that look up to Adolf Hitler? They sing down about other races. I saw it on Inside Edition. Now that is another thread in itself.

Back on subject. I get these people want their right to protest, not that I believe the **** that comes out of their mouths, but there comes a point that its going to become beating a dead horse if they keep protesting. There are other ways. And they keep coming to Toledo, there will be more rioting, and people will end up dead. No one wants to hear that. It's just gonna be sad to see what comes of this protest.

Where the hell is Jerry Springer to officiate this fight. Now that would be worth seeing.

Katie