Sorry to double post, but Dan, Heavenly Swor,d the game you were raving about, just received a 7.0.

Ouch.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/815/815031p2.html

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Actually oblivion was improved when ported to PS3.

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I don't see how this is a blow at all for Blu-ray considering they still have the upper hand when it comes to exclusive movie studios. While HD DVD has Paramount and Universal, Blu-ray has the backing of 3 top rated movie studios in Sony Pictures, 20th Century Fox, Disney, as well as MGM and Lionsgate. You know what the funny part of this whole announcement is, HD DVD gave Paramount $150 million in incentives to exclusively support their brand. Have you seen any of Blu-ray supporters got any kind of incentive? No, because every studio that supports Blu-ray has nothing good to say about the format and actually exclusively supports it because they feel its the best format out there.

The second funny thing I found about this deal is that no Steven Spielberg pictures will be exclusive to HD DVD...wonder why? Because Steven Spielberg is a strong supporter of Blu-ray. I just don't see this having any major impact on Blu-ray, considering Paramount isn't even one of the top two movie studios in America. From what I read the deal between HD DVD and Paramount is only for 18 months, so after that we'll see how much Paramount supports the format...if the format even lasts that long.

What difference does incentives makes? You said the same thing about Microsoft and Grand Theft Auot. Who cares as long as the game or movie is on a format for people to buy. If Nintendo paid millions and millions to Rockstar for GTA or Sony paid to have Halo 4 or bought Bungie for them to make that game on the Wii, who cares. They would have the game and that would be the bottomline. Any incentives or reasoning is pointless to the consumer.

And you're reasoning that Paramount isn't a big deal when that's already on top of Universal being exculsive is silly. They're two of the biggest companies with a long history each of making many great films.

I've already mentioned Universal movies that are huge. Now with Paramount, we have Forrest Gump which made over $300 million domestically and won the 1994 Oscar for Best Picture and many others. Titanic, and you can what you want about the film but it's the biggest movie in box office history as well as the 1997 Oscar winner for Best Picture.

And I'm curious about your statement about Spielberg. How can his movies be exclusive to Blu-Ray if many of his movies are from Universal and Paramount, to studios that are exclusive to HD-DVD.

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I'm just saying, it tells you a lot about the product when they have to bribe some company to either support their format or release a game on their console. If your product isn't good enough to attract attention on its own (like Bluray has done), that's just sad and it's no wonder HD DVD is so far behind in this format war.

Who is "we"...I didn't know you were such an avid HD DVD supporter. By the way, Universal might release a few good movies every now and then, but they're not even considered one of the top four movie studios in America.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/notag/sta...war-291361.php

You totally misunderstood what I was saying...I said, all Paramount movies would be exclusive to HD DVD with the EXCEPTION of all Steven Spielberg movies which would appear on both formats. And like I said before, this is because Steven Spielberg is a major supporter of Bluray and probably didn't agree with the studio taking $150 million just to exclusively support HD DVD. He's not the only one either, Michael Bay even spoke out and said it was a terrible move by Paramount because Blu-ray is the superior format. Get the picture now?

Okay, so enought talking about Blu Ray..I wanna hear Dan back up the GAME point we made...less console sales, worse score for GRAW 2, and a shoddy score for Heavenly Sword.

Take your time.

Oh, and this just confirmed, from the developer of Bioshock, there is no PS3 version underway, or planned.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/24/le...-on-pc-issues/

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Well you got your review scores from a biased source so your point fails.

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And the Wii is on it's way to numerical victory.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected...25/dlwii25.xml

Manhunt2 is finally on the way!
http://gaming.monstersandcritics.com...ming_Halloween

I might have to rent this for the Wii. I wasn't interested in the franchise at all until I started reading about it when the ban came into effect. I'm slightly interested now.

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Wii sells because its cheap, applicable to anyone, and is Nintendo.

Wii does NOT sell because of its game lineup, graphics, online play, or extra features.

Thats what's been bugging me about the whole "OMG Wii sells a lot, that means it OWNS."

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Kyle, it has some good games. Don't be like Dan and assume it sucks becasue you played 30 minutes of it.

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^You mean just because I play a demo game at Gamestop (regardless of the platform) means the platform itself doesn't suck??

I kinda thought so. A few years ago, I played State of Emergency on XBox, but never really got around to getting it for PC.

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Or like alot of other PS3 Fanboys "OMG Its graphics sucks! It can't be better because its graphics! How can a game be good without good graphics? GRAPHICS,GRAPHICS,GRAPHICS!"

So far Dan hasn't been like that but many PS3 Fanboys I've encountered are that shallow when it comes to games.

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I guess I'm a OS X, Windows , Solaris 10 , Linux, and Unix fanboy. Did I miss any OS?

No, I've played quite an extensive amount of Wii, here is what I have played:

Wii Sports (Obviously)
Wario Ware
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metal Slug
Wii Play (LOL at that one)

While yes, I do like Wii and I think that over time it will evolve into a better gaming system, however I just see its affordability and broad player range to be its biggest selling point, which is not always a bad thing.

I think once Metroid rolls around I will have to STFU.

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Don't put down graphics... I guarantee you BioShock would not be nearly as good a game if it looked like say CS1.6, without its amazing graphics creating a very immersive world it would lose a lot of what makes it truly amazing and not be near as captivating a game as it is. I don't care what anyone says, good graphics are very important to a game, (thus why I dislike wii, I can't look at the games on it, just too cartoony and I can't take it seriously and motion sensing gets old fast), when judging a game its about 70% gameplay 30% graphics IMO, because if I don't enjoy looking at it I don't enjoy playing it (don't get me started on bad CGI in movies, if a scene in a movie has crappy CGI the movie is ruined ugh).

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That's why I said "numerical" victory. It would be stupid for anyone to claim that it's success at the moment is for anything other than the price and casual appeal. In the future (IMO warning!), Wii will most likely sell not just because of it's casual appeal, but because of quality games. Looking at the Wii E3 Coverage, it seems that a lot of the developers are excited about designing quality hardcore games for the Wii since they all seemed to underestimate the appeal of it. Nintendo is poised to do what that one article mentioned and suck the casual gamers into the hardcore market. People seem to tend to like gameplay more than graphics (which are important), so if the developers manage to make a game that is so immersive between the environment and the motion controls (which I personally haven't gotten tired of yet, but have grown to like way more than traditional controls), then I think that gamers will forgive the lack of graphical power. Sure, it might be nice, but is it truly necessary for me to see every pock on a brick in a game when standing right on it? Is that truly going to make the game oh-so-much better? IMO, no. The last generation had graphics good enough that I really don't care for it to look so much better. The Wii has some stuff coming out that's a bit more graphically impressive, so I wonder just how much graphical beef there is there.

All this really makes me wonder is: (IMO alert again!) If Nintendo really revolutionized gaming in this generation (to be honest, it feels like a different generation than the PS3 and 360 to me), then what will the next system bring? All they really can do is add the beef to compete with HD gaming, which would be lovely. If Nintendo did that this time around, plus finally got off their "gaming machine only" high horse and made a multimedia device, I can see them smashing the competition. Next generation they would probably lose that advantage.

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Hmm, I just noticed how big of a double standard there is in this room.

It's funny Kyle has no problem with people acting like a 12 year old and saying things no PS3 owner actually says when they are argueing against the PS3, yet when someone who says something in regardes to what 360 owners say, he warns them with a ban. I mean even Kyle himself talks like this as well.

No one says that Kyle and it makes you sound like a twelve year old, maybe someone should warn you with a ban now like you did with me. All the more reason to stop posting on this thread, it just seems like everyone is looking for some reason to ban me.

Yeah but my posts are short and to the point, my posts also aren't in ALL CAPS TO EMPHASIZE A POINT.

So I cap-sed OMG and OWNS.

How about this: OMG BIOSHOCK OWNS!

Still butthurt?

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How about this. Bioshock is one of the best games I ever played, and PS3 won't have it.

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Better yet, I want somebody to admit that Super Mario Galaxy will look like one of the prettiest games ever made. Even though its on the "Wii, which is nothing more but a souped up GCN with a gimmick controller!"

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Sorry, not even close. These are some of the prettiest games ever made.

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LOL this is totally off the subject

Plz stop what your doing and go ride "Welcome to the Jungle" on Speedzone. Do it now. lol

Um, I don't mind you promoting your ride...but in the right FORUM dude.

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Those games sure do look pretty.

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You guys have it all wrong, this is the prettiest.

I wasn't, I was pointing out how annoying it is when someone judges a game solely by its graphics. Good Graphics is nice, but it should only be the icing on the cake.

A good example of ignoring gameplay for graphics would be Iridion 3D, It had stunning graphics for a GBA game ( especially first batch), yet the gameplay was horrible, in fact, they pushed so badly to have a 3D space shooter for the GBA, they ignored the fact that the beautifully done model used for the players ship obscured the view of the upcoming enemies and traps. Needless to say, the game was torn to shreds by reviewers and gamers alike.

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I guess I'm a OS X, Windows , Solaris 10 , Linux, and Unix fanboy. Did I miss any OS?

So, if grahpics are tehg only thing that matter, why is the Wii selling the most? And why do I still play Starfox and MarioKart on my SNES when I have a PC with an amazing graphics card 7 feet away?

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Because its cheap and applicable to anyone.

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Exactly. And why do I still play Barnstorming or Millipede on my Atari 2600.

Good Graphics degrade with time, but Good Gameplay is timeless.

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I guess I'm a OS X, Windows , Solaris 10 , Linux, and Unix fanboy. Did I miss any OS?

Seriously... Wii is not competing with 360 and PS3. It is basically in its own little niche market. It's way cheaper than any other console (360 core does not count, core is useless), and it offers something that even people who don't like video games will play. I mean I've seen lots of girls playing wii, but if you offered them a controller for a round of Gears of War 99% of them would turn it down. It has a much wider target audience then PS3 and 360, a much cheaper price and offers a completely different experience... it's really apples to oranges here and it really isn't competing with 360 or PS3 (I know NO ONE who bought a wii instead of 360 or PS3, alot of gamers who own wii have another system)

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I know thw Wii is aiming for a completely different audience, and so far, that sucks. It's rounding out to almost a year before we get a good "gamer" game. Meteriod does look pretty sweet though. I'll have to pick it up when I manage to find a Wii.

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