http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135591/article.html

Yay... now I can go spend $600 again just to get an extra 20GB of space.

To me, it's all the more reason to avoid the PS3 (and just about every other Sony product) it seems, as they're losing their minds, and losing out to Nintendo and Microsoft. As a PS2 owner, I actually found myself almost buying a Wii (when the local Best Buy actually had two last week). But, I still love my PS2.

By the way, who cares about the graphics on the PS3... it's a GAME console, and I don't own anything to take advantage of the Blu-Ray anyway.

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$600? No suprise there. The 360 has gone down in price(http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/811/811056p1.html) and I still can't find my Wii.

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Meh, I don't know...

The Playstation 3 has gotten better, there are some games on the horizon that seem promising, but they're still cleaning up a lot of mistakes they made at launch.

-Tossing in Rumble in the new SixaxiS.
-Lowering the Price on some models.

I don't know, I could go on and on about why I personally don't want to buy one, but for me when I buy a console I'm all about games, which the 360 is loaded with at the moment and round the corner.

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Kyle L - Thrillnetwork Speedzone Lead

It also comes with motorstorm, so really your spending like 40 bucks for 20gbs more space.

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What if you don't give a crap about Motorstorm?

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Kyle L - Thrillnetwork Speedzone Lead

Yay, the PS3 bashing begins again!

I don't know why evertime an issue comes up like this you always have to use the "what if you don't give a crap about it" spiel. What if you don't care about Blu-Ray, what if you don't care about wireless, what if you don't care about Motorstorm, etc. For some reason that's always your arguement when someone brings up the cost benefit of the PS3 compared to your loving 360. Kyle, it's a bundle, and most of the time when consoles are released in bundles they include games. Most of the time they are crappy games, but at least Sony is including a game that is actually rated pretty well. What kind of games does Microsoft bundle with their consoles? Perfect Dark and Project Gotham Racing...give me a break. Why don't we flip the script and ask the same question about the 360 Elite...What if you don't have a tv with HDMI or just don't give a crap like your saying, is it really worth $100 dollars for a larger hard drive? Or what if you don't care about the larger hard drive, is it worth $100 for HDMI? Think about that for a moment...

I'm just wondering how much more money Microsoft is willing to lose in favor of its console. They've already lost over a billion dollars having to extend everyones warranty, not to mention the cost of all the replacement consoles they've had to send out, and now they are lowering the price? If anyone is 'losing their minds' like Steven said, I would have to say it would be Microsoft, not Sony. Because I can bet my ass Microsoft has lost a lot more money on their console than Sony has lost on theirs.

By the way, for everyone who keeps saying the PS3 is just a game console, it really isn't. And Sony isn't just marketing it just as a game console either, their whole idea behind the PS3 is to offer a complete entertainment console, one reason behind them releasing a DVR for the system next March. And why do you think when the PS3 came out it was the cheapest Blu-ray player as well? Their whole plan was to get the console in people's homes who are looking to get into the high definition video playback market as well, not just gamers. I wish more people would understand this.

True, but most people who buy any type of Playstation gaming device usually buy it for the gaming component, everything else that it is capable of doing is literally a bonus. Blu-ray play back is hardly benificial to anyone without a High-Def Television Set or Monitor.

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Hit me up for some Aerial action in Ace Combat 6, or for a viceral Shoot out in Halo 3 or Call of Duty 4 .

then you buy a 360 Pro... your argument fails.

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Good response!

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Hit me up for some Aerial action in Ace Combat 6, or for a viceral Shoot out in Halo 3 or Call of Duty 4 .

Thats exactly why I don't want to buy a PS3, I'm paying extra money for features I don't want nor use. I don't want Blu-Ray, I'm not crazy about Motorstorm, I don't need wireless.

See, I buy stuff I use.

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Kyle L - Thrillnetwork Speedzone Lead

I want to be able to stab someone on a Wii game (which they may ban in the US), and I want to be able to play Madden and throw like a quarterback. I also love how I can be a slugger on a Wii baseball game (I have done that). With Playstation... while it's got the motion sensitive controller... it's just not the same.

I still like the Wii's price point of $249, and that I can play Super Mario Brothers on it.

A Blu-Ray movie isn't going to look any better on my TV, unless I spend another $800 to get a good HDTV with HDMI (I figured a 32 inch to replace my 20 inch adequately). Plus, I don't like combining so much into one unit. If it dies, then I can't do anything.

Plus, if they really and truly wanted to market it more as an entertainment system than just a game console, they should think of a name better than "Playstation", which the PS1 (and, to a lesser extent, the PS2) are marketed as game consoles. All three emphasize the game playing capabilities over the other features.

For an 80GB HDD, I would also expect that I could use it as a DVR (since it is a home entertainment system). I can't... at least I have the DVR provided by Comcast.

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Ok, that's you...But there's still 4 million+ people around the world who don't have the same mentality as you. I don't know why you speak as if you are speaking for the rest of the world or something.

You don't get what I was trying to say...I meant to say you if you wanted a larger hard drive for your 360 but don't have a tv that supports HDMI, is it worth spending another $100 more for the Elite? Or you can look at it the other way around and say you want HDMI but don't think you need the larger hard drive, is it worth the extra $100? It's no different than saying, "well what if I don't care for Motorstorm, is it worth the extra $100?". I hope that clarifies that better.

100 bucks for 6 times the hard drive space... yeah seems worth it to me. Or 100 dollars for an HDMI input, again worth it, why because in both cases your paying for something extra if you want it. Kyles argument is that if you don't want motorstorm, or whatever there should be a less expensive version with less features.

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We already know Sony tried doing the less expensive version with less features road, but it failed. The 20gb version wasn't very popular at all and everyone wanted a 60gb version. Why should Sony waste money making two separate versions when one isn't even selling that well?

It failed because it was too expensive compared to its competition. The only feature the 20gb PS3 had over 360 was blu-ray and unless you have an HD capable tv, it's wasted on you. Why would people want to pay 100 more for a system with less games when they can't use the features that make it cost more?

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