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Old 10-13-2005, 08:19 PM
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2007 Great Adventure

I know it's a little early. But why not? Anyways, I hope Great Adventure either gets an Impulse or a Stand-Up coaster if they get a coaster.
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Old 10-13-2005, 09:33 PM
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2005 still has some last gasps of breath.

2006 is full of questions.

Why bother with 2007? Let's enjoy what we have for now.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:00 PM
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Somewere I read for a cuple of seasons great adventure is getting the lattest thing in coaster technolagy so Im seeing Ballcaoster robocoaster
boster bike. But out of every thing I hope they take out S:UF and repace it with GOOD flying coaster.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:02 PM
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^Why would they take out something that was such a recent installation because you don't like it?
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:07 PM
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I have a feeling with El Toro next year, the new hotel in 07 and all the other recent coaster additions, we won't see any new coasters till 08 at least.
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In 2007 they'll be receiving a Giant Inverted Boomerang. Vekoma apparently has the kinks in the design worked out.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:28 PM
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You know Matt M., I heard that also. That is bizzare. I hope It is true.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:48 PM
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So just because Vekoma worked the kinks out with their GIB coasters means SFNJ will get one in 2007? No. No they're not.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:52 PM
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I'm celebrating coaster completeness once El Toro comes in!!!! The way the park is spread out, the amount of rollercoasters already there, I really don't see the need of a new coaster for awhile. I'd be pleased with new rides and further infrastructure improvements. Who needs a Vekoma GIB? The waiting time won't sit well with impatient Jersey-Philly-New York people. Let's not taint the more respectable collection that will now exist.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:59 PM
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/\ Have you even been on a Vekoma Giant Inverted Boomerang? You'd be lucky to have one sitting in your park....sans the reliablity and low capacity. So having one installed at Great Adventure wouldn't be tainting the collection, it would be an enhancement, if anything, It's easily the best shuttle rollercoaster I have been on. And I have been on quite a few...including Wicked Twister, Speed The Ride, Steel Venom, Montezooma's Revenge, Invertigo, etc...But that's not the point though. I'm saying Great Adventure isn't going to put one in for 2007, if any kind of coaster. That hotel in itself is a MAJR expansion project for the park/resort.
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:12 PM
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I rode Deja Vu @ SFMM this year and had a very fun time in the outside front seat. The wait on a hot strong sunny day made me a little stewed though. There was so much time to see all the cables, the catch car, what seemed like a million processes to get this small footprint ride going. They could still do without it.

SFGADV still ranks as the park with the most inversions the world. That will be something to celebrate along with non-inverting El Toro's opening. I look to flat ride additions/subtractions/enhancements in the future. I'd love to see the hotel come through, gel all three parks on the property, and be successful.
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/\ Actually, Great Adventure is second place to Magic Mountain as the park with the most inversions in the world.

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Old 10-13-2005, 11:41 PM
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I remember the Rcdb posting. It had to be 2002 then when I last checked. SFGADV was tops then. What do know? The mirror Medusa East clone put SFMM on top. Ha.
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So just because Vekoma worked the kinks out with their GIB coasters means SFNJ will get one in 2007? No. No they're not.
I wasn't saying they'd get one because of THAT. I mean't because I've heard many others say it's a possiblity. Heard it would be plopped in the center of the rapids ride over by Nitro.
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I remember the Rcdb posting. It had to be 2002 then when I last checked. SFGADV was tops then. What do know? The mirror Medusa East clone put SFMM on top. Ha.
SFNJ was never the first when it came to the inversion count. The reason why you must have seen it as first place back a few years is because there was a big debate as to how many inversions X had, so it kept being changed from 6, to 4, to now 2. Even the installation of that Superman Ultimate Flight clone and counting that ride's "inversions" still wouldn't have put Great Adventure in first. Ha.

I feel that Six Flags Great Adventure is the first of the parks to really make a turnaround considering the mess the corporation was in and the state of their parks they left them in. First the Golden Kingdom and now Plaza del Carnaval. Just. Great.
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Old 10-14-2005, 12:51 AM
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Good for you. I don't feel like pulling some abbacass to count.
I hope SFMM joins the thematic renaissance at least. I'm rooting for Tatsu.
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Old 10-14-2005, 01:02 AM
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/\ currently, SFMM has 31 inversions and SFGADV has 26 inversions. before 2003, without superman and scream, SFMM had 24 (31-7) and GADV had 24 (26-2). then before 2002, SFMM had two less inversions before X was built. that means from 1999 untill 2002, SFGADV held first place by itself and tied for first for the year after.
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Old 10-14-2005, 01:09 AM
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Thanks for the backup. It's like being the young intern that crunches all the numbers. Good job.

I probably had that stat stuck in my head when I checked the stats in 2001 probably rather than 2002. Time is flying!!!
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Old 10-14-2005, 08:32 PM
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I know it's a little early. But why not? Anyways, I hope Great Adventure either gets an Impulse or a Stand-Up coaster if they get a coaster.
Screw that. I'm all for a record breaking Hyper/Giga.
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/\ I don't understand why some enthusiasts make such irrational statements. Uh. Because they already have Nitro.
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Old 10-15-2005, 01:31 AM
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First of all, I said "a record breaking" giga. Nitro isn't record breaking. And second, who cares that they already have that type of coaster? As far as I'm concerned, those are the best coasters, and I wouldn't mind if they had 10 of them. A huge inverted would also be nice, since Batman is OLD (and too small).

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Old 10-15-2005, 01:50 AM
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Batman is only 12 years old. It's not old; it hasn't even entered it's teens. It has an iconic status that will keep there for years. I don't see a giga coming yet it would look nice. NITRO already serves the big hill speed demands already. I agree with keeping rational - being real in this.
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Old 10-15-2005, 02:33 AM
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Screw that. I'm all for a record breaking Hyper/Giga.
Care to clarify? They already have the tallest and fastest coaster in the world, I don't see how you can get more record breaking than that.

2007 will likely not bring another coaster (not major anyway). Between Ka and Toro they're due for a break.
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Old 10-15-2005, 05:43 AM
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Care to clarify? They already have the tallest and fastest coaster in the world, I don't see how you can get more record breaking than that.
I mean a normal coaster with a lift and a bunch of hills.

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Batman is only 12 years old. It's not old; it hasn't even entered it's teens. It has an iconic status that will keep there for years. I don't see a giga coming yet it would look nice. NITRO already serves the big hill speed demands already. I agree with keeping rational - being real in this.
12 years is not old?! I'm 23 now, which means that it was built when I was 11. ...That's a LONG time. Technology has changed so much over the past decade. I say it's time for a new one.

As far as a new giga, I know it's not realistic. All I'm saying is that I want another one. I'm not saying that it's gonna happen.
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Old 10-15-2005, 06:51 AM
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I mean a normal coaster with a lift and a bunch of hills.
That's what I also don't understand. I mean, really, what's the point? A "normal coaster with a lift and a bunch of hills" is exactly like Nitro in dynamics, so the crowds are going to think it's the exact same kind of ride. But you say you want it to be record breaking. Hmmm. Then it would have to be taller than Kingda Ka and what's the point of breaking the height and speed record when you already have that and just accomplished that THIS SEASON? Kingda Ka's inception would become a $25 million waste, because we all know Kingda Ka wasn't built for any other reason mainly for the height and speed record.
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This thread is as silly as that 2008 rumors thread created awhile back. I find it rather amusing that the SFGAdv fanboys are always wanting more, more, more...You guys have gotten a record breaking steel coaster this year, a very large wooden coaster next year and a hotel in 2007. From the way I see it, I don't see the park getting another "major" for another year or so after 2007, possibly a few flats, but I doubt they're going to get another coaster as early as 2008, it just isn't a smart financial move. Besides, has everyone kinda forgot that Six Flags is still up for sale? I can guarantee that the company will be purchased before 2008, and I don't think the new owners will give special treatment to parks like SFMM or SFGAdv, especially if Dan Snyder is still in the picture. I can bet that the new owners are going to want to clean up all the crap SFI has done to the smaller parks so far, and we'll probably see some sales as well, but once these new owners take over, they still have the debt to worry about, it doesn't just go away if you sell a company you know. You can bet that the first thing on their agenda is going to be paying off the massive debt, and I don't think SFGAdv, let alone any park, will be getting any new coasters the first season the new company takes over.

But really, can't you enjoy what you have now and are getting next season instead of demanding more and looking into the future? For all we know, SFGAdv might not get another coaster till 2009 or 2010, and I know that would piss all the fanboys off, but you can't just keep buying new coasters, hotels and water park attractions every season and continue thinking that it will pay itself off by the end of the season. WE all saw what happened to SFMM when it kept adding and adding and adding, now do you really want SFGAdv to become a trashy park like SFMM. Just keep in mind, the more coasters you have, the more coasters you have to maintain. Kingda Ka is unreliable, and is going to need as much attention from mechanics as possible, with another 2 or 3 coasters to the coaster count, do you really think mechanics will be able to keep KK open all the time? Just look at the trouble SFMM has with keeping their rides open, would you rather half the rides be closed for more coasters? Especially a record breaking coaster, look how much down time Superman has, do you want KK to be down that much? Think about that, more coasters doesn't always mean a better park. But like I said, I don't think the park will be getting anything major anyways...it's going to be three seasons with a major addition that costs a lot of money in 2007, and I don't think there will be a fourth, especially if the new owners take over by then.
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/\ That post was nothing more than a rant that stems from some sort of jealousy and subconsious frustration. A lot of the points you were trying to make really aren't valid and aren't fully explored and looked at.

Everytime I read somewhere that Six Flags is stupid for spending money on rollercoasters despite their 2.3 billion debt, I have the need to explain it to the person that capital of that size will not effect the debt load! There is something called CASH FLOW which most of the Six Flags parks produce when they are doing business! There is a REASON why parks like Magic Mountain and Great Adventure can afford to receive capital investments as much as they do. These parks generate a lot of cash flow (even with sagging attendance compared to previous years), have a proven high ROI rate (which is a big factor in deciding which parks get capital more frequently), and they plain ol' just have tough COMPETITION!...Although I tend to disagree with the kind of capital they choose to install year after year. They need to diversify, which we can see Great Adventure has already began to do.
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Well magic maountain is week because Cedar point has every coaster open and cedar point has more coasters then MM. the only time half of the coasters are closed is when its raining and even MF is open in
the rain I know because I rode it in the rain which I will never do again because of all of the pain

Back to subject I'd like to see A MaXair open here next season and I belive Gradv. is geting a Flat from Astro World
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This thread is as silly as that 2008 rumors thread created awhile back. I find it rather amusing that the SFGAdv fanboys are always wanting more, more, more...You guys have gotten a record breaking steel coaster this year, a very large wooden coaster next year and a hotel in 2007. From the way I see it, I don't see the park getting another "major" for another year or so after 2007, possibly a few flats, but I doubt they're going to get another coaster as early as 2008, it just isn't a smart financial move. Besides, has everyone kinda forgot that Six Flags is still up for sale? I can guarantee that the company will be purchased before 2008, and I don't think the new owners will give special treatment to parks like SFMM or SFGAdv, especially if Dan Snyder is still in the picture. I can bet that the new owners are going to want to clean up all the crap SFI has done to the smaller parks so far, and we'll probably see some sales as well, but once these new owners take over, they still have the debt to worry about, it doesn't just go away if you sell a company you know. You can bet that the first thing on their agenda is going to be paying off the massive debt, and I don't think SFGAdv, let alone any park, will be getting any new coasters the first season the new company takes over.

But really, can't you enjoy what you have now and are getting next season instead of demanding more and looking into the future? For all we know, SFGAdv might not get another coaster till 2009 or 2010, and I know that would piss all the fanboys off, but you can't just keep buying new coasters, hotels and water park attractions every season and continue thinking that it will pay itself off by the end of the season. WE all saw what happened to SFMM when it kept adding and adding and adding, now do you really want SFGAdv to become a trashy park like SFMM. Just keep in mind, the more coasters you have, the more coasters you have to maintain. Kingda Ka is unreliable, and is going to need as much attention from mechanics as possible, with another 2 or 3 coasters to the coaster count, do you really think mechanics will be able to keep KK open all the time? Just look at the trouble SFMM has with keeping their rides open, would you rather half the rides be closed for more coasters? Especially a record breaking coaster, look how much down time Superman has, do you want KK to be down that much? Think about that, more coasters doesn't always mean a better park. But like I said, I don't think the park will be getting anything major anyways...it's going to be three seasons with a major addition that costs a lot of money in 2007, and I don't think there will be a fourth, especially if the new owners take over by then.
MM is week cedar Point amlomst Always Keeps every ride open
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Well magic maountain is week because Cedar point has every coaster open and cedar point has more coasters then MM. the only time half of the coasters are closed is when its raining and even MF is open in
the rain I know because I rode it in the rain which I will never do again because of all of the pain

Back to subject I'd like to see A MaXair open here next season and I belive Gradv. is geting a Flat from Astro World
Why did you turn this into a Cedar Point vs. Magic Mountain discussion? I, or nobody else never said anything to even provoke you to do so.

Learn how to spell. 7 days is a week. The opposite of strong is weak.

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