Well I think it is about time Worlds of Fun got another new ride since they got nothing in 2007. A new coaster sounds sweet, but highly doubtful - unless it is a P.O.S. from GL. I could see Dominator being moved there as a floorless would be a nice fit, but I bet it will go to another park. I would be really pissed if they got a hand me down woody from GL or even on of their flat rides, since all of them suck. I think Worlds of Fun needs a new woody, 2008 doesn't sound likely but maybe in 2009?

Most Probable: Kiddie ride or some new flat ride, possibly one from GL. I have been hoping for a giant frisbee for a long time...I could also see a Screamin Swing coming to Worlds of Fun, if they get one lets just hope it is giant, maybe a 200 footer? Please Cedar Fair, do not give Worlds of Fun something from GL!!!! It just seems so likely that you would though....

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Screamscape reported today, sounding fairly certain, that Worlds of Fun held off any new rides in 2008 and could be receiving a GCI woodie in 2009, and I can only hope these rumors are true. Though I would rather see a woodie more like El Toro filled with airtime, I would definitely settle with a new GCI. Timberwolf is still a great ride, but I think it is time to add another woodie...although a good sized B&M would definitely do, since Patriot was a pretty big disappointment for me in many ways. Anyway, I think that since Worlds of Fun neither got a new ride in 2007 nor in 2008, that they will get something BIG next year.

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Ooh, something like Renegade in Orient's lot, going out toward the road. Sweet.

Seriously, what don't you like about Patriot? Did you just get a bad ride on it or were your expectations too high? Because, really, if you ride in the right places at the right times, it's world class.

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^For me, I'm just getting really bored with the B&M Inverts. The most recent ones lack the forces and creativity that the earlier ones provide...I would sure love to see a new one that is unique and original.

I agree with Looty, they aren't as creative as they used to be. They could have done a lot more with Patriot, just look at all of the space they had to build it - rather than making it a Talon clone. The coaster is short in length, somewhat small in height (a 123 ft. drop, though it is 150 ft tall), RCDB claims it goes 60 mph, but I don't believe it. It has 7 cars instead of the standard 8 for B&M. I am not lying when I say this, on the Zero-G-Roll I got no air at all, neither in the front nor in the back. I must say though, the drop was pretty nice but other than that the coaster slowly rolls through the rest of the ride making it comparatively boring.

I would really like to see something like Renegade, but by no means a clone, or as I stated something like El Toro. I think it would fit well back by Zulu, where the old Waterslides and Zambezi Zinger used to sit because it seems like the have a lot of room back there. It could run from Finish Fling all the way to the Fury of the Nile, winding through all of the trees like Zambezi Zinger used to. Even more I would love to see an intamin (or B&M?!) giga coaster but I wouldn't get my hopes up on that. Whatever it is, I hope it is relatively tall, fast, and exciting. Worlds of Fun is my home park, and I wish WoF still had the recognition they had back when they got the Timberwolf, Orient Express, and Mamba. Though I am sure the lack of new rides since Patriot is due to low attendance (comparatively to his other parks) and Patriot's popularity among the GP - so CF could get away without adding anything new - how does one expect to draw more people to a park without something new to offer?

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WOW, you really need to ride Patriot again. I've been on it 65-ish times and it definitely goes 60 mph. The seven-car trains even enhance that sensastion. And it is by no means a "Talon clone." I am so sick of people saying that. The fact that the elements are in the same order apparently not only makes it an exact clone, but also makes it awful? Either way, the ride itself is completely different from Talon. If you can honestly ride the two and think they feel the same, you're on some pretty powerful drugs. The ride is taller than Talon, the drop is longer, and the loop is smaller. The proportions are only a tiny bit different than those of Montu (150', 128' drop). The zero-g is the best on any invert anywhere, period. I have a friend who thought the ride was completely boring and he still agrees with me about the zero-g. The immelman is executed perfectly. The footchopper immediately afterward still scares me every time, the ride has quite a bit of air for an invert, some fantastic hang-time through the loop in the front row, and some good positives through both the spiral and the final helix. The corkscrew is executed REALLY fast, and you still barely touch your harness. And the first drop is magnificent from the left side. Please, do me a favor, and ride unbiased in the far left seat of the back row. Just once. Preferably at twilight or later. I will never get bored with Patriot. I could marathon on it for days without it getting dull. I think you got a few bad rides. Same thing happened to me on Talon. I have had bad rides on Patriot, and I know what you mean. One of the trains has a pretty bad rattle sometimes, but it's nothing really bad.
And don't say that attendance is that far down. It might not be the all-time high, but WoF recently had its most crowded day in about nine years (and I would know, I was there - hour wait for Mamba with a full queue, 45 minutes for Patriot with the line extending nearly back to Crustano's).

They will definitely want something new and exciting for 2009's CoasterCon. I've heard that we're getting GLP's carousel. I hope we get Americana, since Skyliner is ready to be replaced. Here's what I'd love to see in the next five years:
2008: GLP's carousel
2009: Americana, GCI in Orient's old lot
2010: OoF expansion, combine OoF and WoF, possibly a Screamin' Swing or Frisbee
2011: minor park improvements, maybe a family ride or two
2012: new coaster - I would love to have something like Maverick back where HoA Theatre is now. It would be cool to have something with a station in Le Taxitour's lot that jumps the path a couple times.

That way, we'd get coasters for Scandi and Europa, a carousel that doesn't have Muslims on the rear ends of its horses, a way bigger Ferris wheel, a way to feasably compete with Schlitterbahn (or a way for OoF to survive with Schlitterbahn, depending on how you look at it), a nicer looking park (not that it doesn't look nice already), and possibly a nice big flat ride.
What I want WoF to do is remove the blue half of the arcade by Timber Wolf and put the Screamin' Swing there.

But that's just me dreaming.

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I went opening year and rode Patriot 3 times, I liked it a lot in the front, but not other seats. I'll bet it has loosened up over the past year, so you could be right. I had really high expectations of which none were met.

If you look at a satellite map of the park and look behind Zulu and Boomerang you can see a huge lot of land where some of Zambezi Zinger used to be. I think the back would be more ideal than around Thunderhawk and Timberwolf not only because there are tons of games and flats (Rip Cord, Cyclone Sams, Thunderhawk, Bamboozler) plus there's already three coasters on that side of the park (SD's, TW, and Patriot), but the trees in the back of the park would make the effect of a woodie a lot better, plus a coaster could be much bigger back in that area. Ever since they took out those water slides behind Zulu I was sure that eventually they would put a coaster there, and I hope 2009 is the year.

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Well, that's probably why you were let down. I would more than likely be the same way, except I convinced myself it would be mediocre. I rode in the back far left on the sixth ride out on opening day. IMO, it's gotten better since then, so yeah, you should try again in the back. This time force yourself to have lower expectations. Hopefully, you'll be surprised.

I didn't even think of that. Okay strike that last thought. Put the GCI in Boomerang/Zinger's lot and the LSM in Orient's lot. Boomerang can either leave for good or move to Taxitour's lot or something like that. I don't see Taxitour being a huge loss. If they remove anything in Europa, other than maybe Le Carrousel, it would be that or Flying Dutchman.
I still think the current arcade site would be perfect for a SwingShot-sized screamin' swing. They would probably have to move the guessing game to have room for an entrance and exit, but that's not a big deal. I like the space because there's a noticable elevation difference. The exit to the arcade is about two feet above the regular path, if not more. One of the things I love about screamin' swings is looking straight down at the path (or whatever is below you). Why not enhance the vertigo?
But I'm getting ahead of myself.

Going back to the topic of Oceans of Fun, they really do need expand, officially combine with WoF, or both if they want to stay alive with Schlitterbahn opening soon. The only way a KC-area water park will be able to survive is if it's a public pool with a slide or two. I would love to see a Pro-Slide Tornado or MasterBlaster at OoF. Whoever designed GLP's Wildwater Adventure should help remodel OoF.
Again, I'm getting ahead of myself, but I do consider that fairly likely.

The woodie back there would only be really good if it were spread out like Renegade or even the new one at KGA (which I consider to be sort of a cross between Troy and Renegade). Twisters are great, but trees really only enhance out-and-backs like Grizzly and terrein coasters like Beast.

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I was looking at Midwestinfoguide.com and one of the Rep's from Worlds of Fun was at an SDC Coaster Christmas event in which he mentioned that though nothing would be new for 2008 at WoF, 2009 would be the next major addition...if it was an entirely new section to the park you would think construction would begin soon, which is why I am 90% sure it will be a coaster in 2009 - especially since the coastercon event will be WoF/SDC/CC

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Steel, do you really think Schlitterbahn would sell a master blaster to Oof this soon after opening a park nearby? If Oof were to buy a masterblaster, Schlitterbahn would insure it would be smaller and not as fun as theirs. This is with the assumption that Schlitterbahn still owns the rights to master blasters as one of the owners invented them.

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I don't think Schlitterbahn owns the rights to them, Typhoon Lagoon has one at WDW and so do many other waterparks. I think even some Great Wolf/Bear Lodges have masterblaster slides, even though they could be made by different companies. Some even use LIM's to launch the rafts now.

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I'm not sure if it's true or not that Schlitterbahn owns some rights to the Master Blaster design, but what raser is trying to say is that if they do, then why would they allow Oceans of Fun to build one when Schlitterbahn's new resort in KS will more than likely have one too?
Plus, if they do own the rights, then why wouldn't they sell to Great Wolf Lodge or Disney? I don't think there's any direct competition between a Schlitterbahn and one of those places.

But, you are right though. If Schlitterbahn does own those rights, and doesn't sell to OoF, other companies make variations of the ride, and OoF can easily get something similar.

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Schlitterbahn as a company itself, does not own "rights" to the Master Blaster design. Master Blaster-type rides were created and are manufactured by Whitewater West. This company also brought you the "Space Bowl" rides you see and many parks where you spin around and around, then pop out the bottom.

http://www.whitewaterwest.com/

If you go to "Testimonials", it appears WW is a very seasoned manufacturer, ranging from Dollywood to Cedar Fair parks to even Parc Astérix. Also, You should ride a Master Blaster-type ride, they are quite awesome.

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There are multiple ProSlide Tornados all over the place. Just about every Great Wolf Lodge has one, and it isn't hard to find one of those near an amusement and/or water park. I see what you're saying, but I don't think it matters all that much. WoF and OoF are in Missouri and Schlitterbahn is in Kansas. It's a bit of a drive to the border from W/OoF.

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I remember seeing a few years ago on the discovery channel the best waterparks, Schlitterbahn's new ride that the discovery channel stated was designed by one of the members of the family that owned the park. That ride was masterblaster. I do know Discovery channel has been wrong before.

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I've ridden Patriot and it was INCREDIBLE. I don't know how it can be so disappointing... It's absolutely amazing.

I think a GCI would be a great addition. Especially since I haven't had the privilege of riding one yet. But WoF desperately needs a woodie. I do not consider Timberwolf a woodie. I consider it a DISGRACE. It was absolute torture. It desperately needs re-tracking and new trains. But a GCI would be a great addition and look great along WoF's skyline. Definitely needed.

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Go ride Timber Wolf again. With an open mind. You got it on a bad day. Timber Wolf is absolutely fantastic on its good days. Best way to get a guarenteed smooth ride is to ride in the front in the morning. It's not even all that bad anywhere else. Villain was way worse. Timber Wolf has really good laterals and some very unexpected airtime, especially in the back. And it is being retracked right now. It's been in that process since before Patriot.

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I know in 2006 I rode Timberwolf and thought my heart was going to come out of my chest from the beating I took. That was the 2nd roughest woody I have ridden. Big Dipper at GL being the roughest and that is why I don't care if it goes bye bye. (sorry for being so cruel but I didn't enjoy that ride at all).

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How long does WOF take to do? (Just like.. the coasters and maybe the S&S tower...)
I might be going next year but I have never been before.. So I'd need to get all the credits.

^^I take it you didn't ride Villain when you were at GLP?

For the shortest lines, go on a Thursday near the beginning of the season. I usually go to Patriot first, but since you need the credit, get there when it opens and go straight to Spinning Dragons. That'll take about 15 minutes. Then go to Patriot, and please ride with an open mind in the back row on the far left side. That line is a huge range. It could take you anywhere from two minutes to fifteen. Normally, it's about ten. So that's around 45 minutes in the park so far. If you like skycoasters, do RipCord. If you don't like skycoasters, do RipCord anyway, the view is spectacular. Depending on the time of day, that could add up to an hour onto your time. If Timber Wolf is open by that time, ride it in the front. They almost never run two trains, so that will probably take you 25 minutes (= about 1 hour, 15 minutes total so far). If you can find a kid, do Wacky Worm. You shouldn't miss Detonator. That's one of the better S&S towers. Normal wait is around five minutes. Then ride Mamba in the back row. Wait of around ten minutes. Boomerang never has a line (I've seen two lines for this in my life, one of which was on the most crowded day in nine years). Five minutes if you're unlucky. So, if all you want is the coasters, you're looking at 2.5 - 3 hours
If you want to really experience the park, you should allow at least 4.5 hours.

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I rode Villian in it's first few years, it was really fun. But, the last time I rode it it was rougher. I did ride BD and Timberwolf and they were far rougher in my opinion. I did ride Timberwolf in the back...

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Well.. I really like Talon... So I dont think I'll hate Patriot. As for ripcord.. I dont do SkyCoasters unless they are really tall.. Or only like 10$
Oh and I would almost be OK with missing Spinning Dragons seeing how SFNE has the same ride

I wont have a full day at the park.. As I think im gonna try and hit up SFStl in the same day (I only need 3 credits there)

I think I would like Patriot too with the deeper dip than Talon after the Immelmann. It's just Talon rearranged and slightly different. I should enjoy it.

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You knew I wanted the other repeat too

^^Nah, don't miss Spinning Dragons for that. The line moves kind of slow, but if you go at the right time, it can be a walk-on.
SFSL is quite a drive from WoF. They're in completely different parts of the state.

CHILLERLC1, I think Talon's dip is actually deeper. I've only been to Dorney once, but it seems to me that it's deeper there. Patriot is smoother and the sensation of speed is really highlighted. And that zero-g is, quite simply, perfect.

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Whatever you do, ride Cyclone Sam's. It's probably one of the coolest rides in the park, and though it isn't a coaster credit it is a legendary ride at World's of Fun. Zulu is great too, but I'm sure you have ridden you're fair share of Enterprises. Timberwolf in the back seat is a must

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I loathe Cyclone Sam's. That's the only spinning ride that actually makes me feel really sick. And it's really cheesy. It's just a bunch of flashing lights and sounds. The only difference from a regular trabant is the speed.

Only ride Timber Wolf in back if you had a good ride in front! I can't stress that enough! Too many people have condemned it because they rode in back first.

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I'm not a fan of normal Trabants, but Cyclone Sams is bigger, faster, and much more wild. You can nearly touch the ceiling in there, and I find the pictures on the walls hilarious. From the start to the finish it is a non-stop crazy ride. The pre-show on the other hand, is extremely corny.

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I might need to ride it again this summer. But I really did get queasy last time I rode it. It's just a touch to fast.

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Jamez, yeah hi how are you, you might want to reconsider doing WOF/SFStL in the same day as it is a good 4-5 hour drive between the two parks. Now you can do Adventureland and WOF in the same day, but WOF & SFStL in the same day is rather difficult. Shoot I would consider doing WOF and SDC in the same day before WOF and SFSTL.

Yeah hi, why didn't you tell me you were thinking about coming to my hood over at the trail-ah. This is the first I've heard about this. You didn't let Henry know did you? ell oh ell

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Having a coaster event scheduled in no way dictates that the park will be getting a Coaster. and depending on attendance and how CF runs the parks they may opt to take a year off before any malti million dollar addition. Many of the new Thrill rides fit that category.

Schlitterbahn dose not own the rights to the master blaster. A company they own NBGS dose and were the creators of the technology. but White Water West Water slides has Production rights to build and install master blasters and Belt driven Zip coaster water slides. So they could get one if they wanted to.

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