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Apparently, B&M was supposed to announce this Nov 19, but I haven't heard anything about it until today when I happened to check Wikipedia. I checked B&M's site and there was nothing about it. Wikipedia says that the new ride is rumored to be for a park in the UK in 2010, but I think, if it is true, DollyWood will get it.

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Does sound like Dollywood Doesn't it...

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1. It's Wikipedia. You have to take everything you read on that site with a very large (or small? I don't know) grain of salt.

2. Even if Wikipedia is to be believed on this one, it states UK. DollyWood is in Tennessee, a far cry from the UK. To me, it screams Alton Towers since they've had the first of 2 B&M 'concept' rides: Oblivion and Air. Plus there's the rumors of them getting their next big coaster in 2010.

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Not really an entirely new coaster concept, but maybe they're going to announce the new flying coaster loading method?





It apparently creates much less stress on the ride vehicles, as they don't have to be lifted into the flying position, they are simply rotated 90 degrees while the track does a quarter inline-twist.

Were does that attach to the track?

Edit: never mind. I did not see the other two pics. dumb internet.

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Hmmm. Looks interesting.

^Any source for those diagrams? I don't quite see the point to that design to replace the current flyer loading, but we'll see. I would hope that they have a new concept completely, like a lay down coaster.

Here's the full patent:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP1201280.html

PDF:
http://www.nicksvideo.com/EP1201280A2.pdf

(Yes, it's in French.)

Hooray for using Wikipedia as a source.

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Guys look at the publication date: 02.05.2002!

That's the diagrams for the flying coasters, which debuted in 2002!

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Maybe they're working on some High Tech Water Coaster with Inversions? We've already seen them test the waters (No Pun Intended) with Griffin and Sheikra and it was rumored a few years ago that Alton Towers wanted a Shoot the Chutes.

Just a Guess.

Wes, good catch. I was going to point out the same thing. And like someone said, Wikipedia is hardly a reliable source at all. As a matter of fact, Wikipedia is banned as use for any major university today because anyone can post infomration on the site. So yeah, I would not beleive an ounce of this until B&M makes an official announcement. Also, the diagrams above show basically the SAME flyers that are currently on their tracks. So this looks like very old info to me.

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That's because it is the same flyer. Like I said, it's an alternative method for loading them in order to cause less wear and tear on the ride vehicles. The patent was just re-published on Nov. 1st, 2008, which is why I was bringing it up.

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Wikipedia, Wikipedia, Wikipedia... That's why I put it in RUMORS. It may be right, it may be wrong. I guess we'll find out.

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It would be cool if they made a water coaster with inversions. Dive loop right into the water.

Either way, I guess that's a patent that B&M doesn't use.

Really, its banned as use? I don't remember my University saying I couldn't "use" it. However, I wouldn't advise citing it as a reliable source for a research paper.

I find Wikipedia rather insightful, and although you can't take everything that's said on there as fact, the "references" portion of each article can really guide you in the right direction when you're searching for some concrete information.

How so? As far as I can tell the standard B&M Flyer loading process causes rather minimal wear and tear on the vehicles. And they're probably a lot more reliable than "spinning the seats 90 degrees" too.

I'm gonna put my money on some sort of 4D concept that's got the B&M stamp of reliability on it. Okay, maybe I wouldn't put my money on it, but that would be sweet if its what they've got up their sleeve.

Mind you, there are A LOT better ways to make a 4D ride now that we've learned from Arrow.

I'd like to know how that concept is going to be turned into a 4D coaster.
The first thing I thought about when I looked at the pics was a sideways coaster (something I think would give a VERY good ride -- comments?), but then I noticed the rest of the pics...oops.

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^That sounds like a good idea.

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I don't know what school you are going to, but most schools write in their syllabus or the professor will even tell you that Wikipedia can not be used for any type of research assignments at all. I've been to two different good universities and I know many of my friends have witnessed the same thing with the college they went to. So consider yourself VERY lucky that your school accepted it, because the majority do not.

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It says it right in the patent, I was just repeating it in English, and in simpler terms, since, obviously, it's written in French and in the technical 'patent mumbo-jumbo'. Translate it and see for yourself, as you clearly don't believe me. It specifically states that this method uses simpler mechanics and is less stressful on the trains.

Anyway, didn't mean to cause a fuss. Just thought it was interesting that the patent was re-published recently. Saw this thread and figured I'd try and add some insight. Oh well.

Ugggggh...I'm really hoping it's not a new way to load flyers.

Maybe it will be an entire new concept. I think the entire coaster scene has grown a bit stagnant with ideas...

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^^You didn't cause a fuss, I actually appreciate the translation and the link, thanks for sharing the information! I'm just wondering why they'd avoid using that loading process if it was both advantageous and available since 2002. Apparently the system B&M is using on their flyers works perfectly fine if they continue to use the trains they started with.

What I mean is that was a concept. It doesn't necessarily mean it'd be realistic to use.

Look man, I understand what you're saying, but either you:

a. didn't read my post at all.

b. aren't much of a comprehension guy.

Lotta good those 2 "good" universities did for you...Guess I should have taken your signature's advice...

I know what you said and I was responding to it. If you cite Wikipedia, most universities will not accept it. Of course I'm sure people use it as a reference but won't admit to it on the actual paper. Don't get so bent out of shape over the response next time!!!!

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^You know, that's exactly what El Barto said:

In fact, by saying it's banned from use at your "schools," you're implying that the schools network completely blocks wikipedia from reaching your computer screen. Banning it from use as a source is not the same as banning it from use altogether. Not even close. Like El Barto, I find wikipedia useful for some tidbits of information which are often elaborated on in the reference links. If you can use it, it's not banned. You just can't cite it.

And I know that's just nitpicking on words, but you seemed to try to argue your point quite vigorously.

As for the coasters, maybe B&M will apply that patent to make a new type of coaster. Like a spinning flyer, with cars that spin in the same way as described in the blueprints.

And that could be their response to the 4-D craze. I don't think B&M and Intamin like to compete with identical coaster styles lately anyway, and Intamin already has the Zacspin.

Well, we have successfully gone off topic from a topic that was off topic to begin with. That might be a first.

*My $.02: Wikipedia is not nearly as bad as its reputation. Tons of organizations have people who are paid to make sure their Wikipedia articles are totally factual. Sure, there is junk on Wikipedia, and it shouldn't be used in any kind of research, just to be safe, but I don't think it's as condemnable as a lot of people seem to.*

About the actual topic, I am interested to see exactly what this is. I'm not big on the whole 4D concept. I think coasters are good enough without extra movement. If this were anything but B&M, I would expect something totally new, but B&M loves to get inspiration from other companies (other than the Dive Machine), so I don't know.

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^My idea isn't exactly a 4-D, just more of a possible competition to the 4-D. If the cars spun on the same axis that is demonstrated in the patent, but during the entire ride or parts of it, it could make for a very interesting coaster. Rather than using that patent for the flying coaster, they make one with similar seating that spins vertically. What I'm saying is similar to the frequent faller, but with seats facing directly away form the track rather than parallel to it.

Frequent Faller info

How about a Looping Coaster that only uses LapBars?

Or... They might be thinking about their own wooden coaster division?

Is it just me or does this remind anyone of the Dollywood 2010 thread? I mean it was based off something some idiot put on wikipedia and kept taking off. The bad part about it is that both of these threads were based off the exact same page. Somebody could be screwing with us here.

Isn't B&M introducing a new ride format on Diamondback?

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