Make what you will of it, I say it's more than credible with what's said in that thread. I don't doubt it though, seems likely...

[url]http://www.coasterpagecannotbedisplayed.net/forums/thread.asp?ForumID=11&TopicID=22408[/url]

And how come the Rumors/News forum is all idle? Nothing new has shown up there for the past few days...

Why do they get another B&M???!!! They should spread them out, i mean SFA doesnt even have one.

The link is broken... but ghosta, SFGAM deserves another B&M just as much as any other park. SFGAM has 2 B&M firsts, anyway. Its not like other parks won't get 4 B&Ms in the future.

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This belongs in the rumors since it isn't guaranteed, but I say we should keep it here, just for the fact that the Rumors forum always seems like such a dead forum. Anywayz, do you think it will be a S:UF clone, or it will it be different? If it is a clone, and all goes well with it, then I see S:UF becoming the B:TR of this decade, and before you know it all the parks will have it. That'll be cool, however it'll make the flying coaster so ordinary that it'll be kinda sad. Hopefully, though, coasters like the 4D and coasters-yet-to-be-made will give us rides to look up at, or before we know it the coaster industry will simply be a worn-out and boring industry. I sure hope that doesn't happen.

And BTW, if this is true, it backs up what I earlier said about why SFGADV will not get a B&M Flyer in 2003. (See Superman at SFGADV in the Rumors forum if you aren't familiar)

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This has been rumored for a while now, so I wouldn't se suprised if it came true. I'd like to see a longer and taller flier from B&M. Hopefully this flier will set the standard for others to come.

Well, this topic is already being discussed in the rumors section. Screamscape has said that they will get this for a long time. I am not saying that every they say is set in stone, but it has been out there as a possibility for a while. Look in the SFGAM in 2003 thread. Here is a link, if you care to look at it. [url]http://www.coasterforum.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19686[/url] Maybe these threads should be merged...

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The first link isn't working for me either. I could definitely see a B&M flyer at SFGAM. Not only SFGAM, but also SFGRadv, SFFT, and SFMM. I'm sure B&M is trying to market this thing to the parks as the must have much like what they accomplished with the inverts. I wont say the stand-up and floorless's flopped, but they weren't exactly huge successes either. The flyers provide a signifgantly different expereince than any other coasters, where the stand-ups and floorless's failed. Hopefully by the end of next year they wont be so few and far between.

I don't understand how the floorless was not a success. It is only a 3 year old idea, and they are popping up everywhere. I don't think you could call it a failure until you look back after they are not being made anymore.(If you understand what I'm trying to say)

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I agree with Raptor in saying that the floorless was indeed a success. I mean there are a lot of them around the country, and that is not bad for being a relatively new idea. And Raptor, you are also correct in saying that you can't call it a failure, because he didn't say that it failed as a ride, but he says that it failed at giving a totally different ride. And the reason that the stand-up wasn't as big as the invert, is because when B&M introduced their new version, it wasn't new. The idea was already out there and B&M just put out their version of it.

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This rumor seems to be true. it is on all of the boards all around the web as well as all of the rumor websites. i cant wait

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RagingBull#1 [/i]
[B]This rumor seems to be true. it is on all of the boards all around the web as well as all of the rumor websites. i cant wait [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, well the rummor of Cedar Point getting a TA2K or an Intamin Rocket Coaster is around all of the boards/rummor sites too, and the rummor of Six Flags Magic Mountain getting another coaster for 2003 (the supposively big giant wooden coaster). We will just have to wait and see what happens.

Even if SFGAM does get a B&M Flying Coaster for 2003, I don't want them to take out the Whizzer. I am sure they could find another spot to put it other than where the Whizzer stands. I suppose I would rather have a B&M Flyer than the Whizzer, but I would much rather have a B&M Flyer and the Whizzer.

Whizzers isnt the problam, finding parts to repair it is.

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RagingBull#1 [/i]
[B]This rumor seems to be true. it is on all of the boards all around the web as well as all of the rumor websites. i cant wait [/B][/QUOTE]

Remember that floorless that was supposed to come in 2000? Well I don't see it right now...

SFGAm should get rid of Shockwave becuase evenon the busiest days the line only gets to be twenty minutes. The Whizzer always has a long line and they have to be able to find parts for it somewhere. If they put the flyer in Shockwave's place everyone would see it on the way into the parking lot and would go to it right away.

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The B&M floorless was not a flop. It's popular as hell. The only B&M design that kinda flopped was the stand-up. You don't see much of those.

I wouldn't call the standup a flop considering one has been built almost every year besides 00,01, and 02. The only reason more aren't built is b/c they have kind of died down. I'm pretty sure B&M has built around 10 or 11. THe only coaster b&m hasn't had many sell is the dive machine considering there are only two in the world. Anyways, I hope GAM doesn't have to get rid of any ride to put in the flyer.

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The standup may not be selling very well but there still popular at the parks there in.

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Atrace [/i]
[B]I wouldn't call the standup a flop considering one has been built almost every year besides 00,01, and 02. The only reason more aren't built is b/c they have kind of died down. I'm pretty sure B&M has built around 10 or 11. THe only coaster b&m hasn't had many sell is the dive machine considering there are only two in the world. Anyways, I hope GAM doesn't have to get rid of any ride to put in the flyer. [/B][/QUOTE]

I think B&M has built 8 of them in 4 years. At ~ $15 mil each, sounds pretty successful to me... it's about the same pace as their inverteds, right? I think they've built about 20 of those over 10 years.

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When S:UF went to SFOG, I had a gut feeling that it would become the B:TR of this decade. I really hope though that my gut feeling is wrong and SF decides to give custom B&M flyers to its parks, like it did with the floorlesses. Anyway, I see one problem with the flyer clones: Many SF parks already have coasters named "Superman," so they'd have to give them new names, which might be beyond the capabilities of SF executives :rolleyes:.

And about standups, I really think they were successful, at least most of them. Riddler's Revenge adds to a beemer freeform looper what the sitdown and floorless don't have: high intensity and uniqueness in layout. Granted, some of the standups were to intense (Mantis), but there were some great designs, from big loopers like RR and Chang to smaller, more twisty rides like Georgia Scorcher.

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i don't think u have to worry about clones of b&m flyers i know the one at SFGADV won't be a clone. chiller has given hints how in no way it could be a clone of SUF b/c they are getting rid of viper and getting it built there and it will go through rolling thunder and they have to change the design of the track to do that so GAM i am sure u will get a original copy of your own as well.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by coastergnome [/i]
[B]i don't think u have to worry about clones of b&m flyers i know the one at SFGADV won't be a clone. chiller has given hints how in no way it could be a clone of SUF b/c they are getting rid of viper and getting it built there and it will go through rolling thunder and they have to change the design of the track to do that so GAM i am sure u will get a original copy of your own as well. [/B][/QUOTE]

That isn't a definate yet. But I also think that the new B&M flyers will not be clones. I think the only reasons that the B:TR are cloned is because they don't take up a lot of space, and they aren't too spread out. As B&M have become a top designing firm, their rides have gotten bigger and better. Therefore if a park like SFGADV has a big area for one spread out coaster they could build Medusa. There might not be a huge area to build a clone of Medusa in most SF parks. This is why you dont' see anymore clones of Beemers.

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but SUF really doesn't take up a big space. i mean, think about it. it replaced a shuttle loop, so it really can't be that big. and yes i do know that they did clear some land that was not used by viper, i'm not that ignorant. and i really hope that they dont clone SUF, i wanna keep that amazing pretzel to myself and my fellow SFOG goers.

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ghosta [/i]
[B]Why do they get another B&M???!!! They should spread them out, i mean SFA doesnt even have one. [/B][/QUOTE]

Roller coasters are not a share time play-thing. There is no such thing as "spreading them out equally, and play nice children." Some of you people really are just...

ANYWAYS...I tend to think that if Great America does announce a flyer coming in, it most likely will follow along the lines of Superman Ultimate Flight, like some others here have already said.:usa: ;flower; <--- haha those are fun

Someone as SFGAM said the last day for the Whizzer will be sometime in mid August. He didn't say anything about a flyer though but one has to go there.

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Ghosta, doesn't SFA have Batman: The Dark Knight???

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by coasterkidmwm [/i]
[B]Ghosta, doesn't SFA have Batman: The Dark Knight??? [/B][/QUOTE]

No, Batman The Dark Knight is at Six Flags New England.

Whatever park gets the next B&M flyer, I hope it is not a clone of S:UF, because the layout of that ride looks a little dull to me. Sure, there is the pretzel loop, whoopee, but everything else is ... a let down.

That's pretty cool, I actually might be going to SFGAM next year also.

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YEESH, this conversation is goin' all over the place! (1) Great America's people are ADAMANTLY denying that Whizzer is coming out, at least right now, and they're understandably upset that the rumors are going around. Wait until they say something - if anything - and if they don't and then they tear it out anyway, then I guess we can be really pissed. (2) It would be a shame if the Whizzer was replaced by a B&M Flying Coaster, because you'd be taking a ride aimed at a certain segment of the population - kids, families, something everyone can ride together, the kind of coaster that Great America does not have a lot of (and the Demon is NOT a fair replacement for), and replacing it with something in a completely differenty realm of thrills, something that puts riders in a very intimidating, perhaps frightening riding position for some, which will go upside down, and will no doubt have a higher height requirement - fewer people will be able to ride this than could ride the Whizzer. If anything has to go, would much rather see them yank out Shockwave, it's a comparative thrill ride. (3) The B&M floorless is NOT a failure! eight installations in four seasons, as compared to seven standups in 13 seasons? Don't think so. And you can't really call the standup coaster a failure, either, it has endured, although it's appeal may have run out. But never say never, there could still be more of them. If a park wanted one, I'm sure B&M would build it for them. (4) My opinion: I don't think Superman: Ultimate Flight will be a model for cloning like Batman the Ride was. Things are different now than ten years ago. It's just as easy and cost-efficient today to come up with an individual custom design to fit a specific piece of land and terrain as it was to crank out a clone in the days of Batmen #2, 3, 4, 5 . . . want evidence? None of the floorless models have been the same yet, all have been completely different. S:UF fits its plot of land perfectly, just as the first BtR fit its piece of land at Six Flags Great America back in 1992, but look at the subsequent models - the plots they were put in had to be shaped and squeezed to fit the ride that was already designed. Now B&M can just as easily create a new design, and I think that's what they'd rather do now. Which is better for us - it would make it worth the trip to go around and ride all the different coasters rather than just check off copies. But I could be wrong - and if they do clone S:UF, they've got an excellent model to start with. (5) CAN'T YOU JUST KEEP QUIET UNTIL THEY ANNOUNCE SOMETHING? Isn't it more fun not knowing? Wouldn't you rather know about it less time in advance, so you don't have to wait as long? I must be old or something.

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I read back a little more carefully. Hope this helps with B&M's track record:

STANDUP COASTERS: 7, installed 1990-1999
INVERTED COASTERS: 23, installed 1992-2002 (one currently not operating, and counting Universal's Dueling Dragons as a single installation)
SITTING COASTERS: 4, installed 1993-2001
DIVING MACHINES: 2, installed 1998-2000
MEGACOASTERS: 4, installed 1999-2002
FLOORLESS COASTERS: 8, installed 1999-2002
FLYING COASTERS: 2, installed 2002

TOTAL INSTALLATIONS, 1990-2002: 50.

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