the big amusment parks annoy me sometimes , im starting to prefer going to the smaller parks anymore. cedar point used to be my favorite park but it slowly stopped being fun to me. every year the lines get worse and worse. every year the rides seem to become less about making a great ride and more about getting ppl to flock there to wait in line. it seems to be just propaganda. most of the rides arent even that special. they are made just to get ppl to go there that one year. i called off work and went to cedar point last year on a weekday trying to avoid insane lines. i thought i made a great decision when i got there , the parks seemed to be half as crowded as normal and it was a beautiful day. i was extremely pumped to ride all the rides as much as possible. then when i got to the rides almost every one wouldnt even let me sit within 2 rows of the back car of the train... i asked the park employees on several rides why they werent letting ppl sit in the back and they told me it was because the park wasnt crowded enough. to me it was ridiculous. there was half hour lines for most of the rides they were doing this. thats not enough to fill up a train??
top thrill dragster is awsome but couldnt they have made it to have some more elements on it. it is the tallest and the fastest ride but it just go up once and back down . i think the reason they didnt design it to do anything else is because it would slow the ride capacity , all they care about is how many ppl they get money from ya know.. and just to get the record strait i dont hate cedar point at all , its still great i would just much rather go to six flags ohio or holiday world instead , where i can have fun riding great rides like the villian and legend without a 5 hour wait .... half the fun of going to a park is being able to ride the rides again and again !!

Tiger you are obviously going at the wrong times, I just got back from CP and except for TTD all the lines were a half hour or less. As of elements on TTD I could agree with you but I look at it as a thrill ride and those are usually short as well look at all those drop towers all they do is go up let you drop and that is it.

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And this is why some enthusiasts are considered spoiled...because once things don't go their way, all they do is complain.

I have been to parks on days where certain sections are roped off for coasters. Also...when you see a back section of a coaster roped off...it could have something to do with the restraints or the crowd. Besides...the front seat lines always seem to fill up faster than the rear.

TTD is the world's tallest and fastest, and yet people want more. So here's a suggestion: Gather up in your piggy bank about $30+ Million and build your own rocket coaster that is taller than TTD and has elventy inversions going at some breakneck speed.

Half the reason the park has a 5 hour wait for a coaster...is **gasp** NEW RIDE. Mean Streak had 6 hour waits, as did MF in their first years. Now MS is down to no more than 30 minutes and MF is still chugging along at 1-2 hours. SO if you want to blame anyone for long lines...blame not only the people that you stand next to in line, but also blame yourself. Take yourself out of that line and one other "deserving" person can ride.

I hope you didn't think that just because a park (open during the week) with a new record breaking ride, 4 or 5 former record holders (and "first of...") also garnering "Best of..." awards WOULDN't be crowded....that's just ridiculous.

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I agree that big parks get to be a little irritating... I went to Disney with my fam this past summer and saw all the ads all over the place for the new coaster in Animal Kingdom. I'm thinking maybe there's a decent roller coaster in the Disney (except for maybe the Aerosmith's Rocking Roller Coaster, they are all pretty tame) and venture to Animal Kingdom. This was despite being told to avoid Animal Kingdom by several people. And all this new roller coaster, I forget its name, was a Wild Mouse Roller Coaster, a tame wild mouse coaster. How could they promote that? I mean even being a family orientated park compared to a thrill park, how could they promote THAT?
Kind of like when SF Great Adventure promoted Skull Mountain, its a joke. Even the new Superman they put up this year, isn't worth its hype. Yeah, its interesting to sit in a new and different position, but it sure as hell wasn't worth a 3 hour wait. I'm sure I'll feel differently about the ride when they hype next year's addition up and the lines become more reasonable.

OK...so would you rather have the park advertise their coaster like this?:

"New for 2003! Crappy Wild Mouse coaster! There's dozens of these across the country, but this one is the best! You'll be scared to death from the 30 foot gut-wrenching drop and white knuckle speeds of 15 miles an hour! But only at...Animal Kingdom!"

They're going to advertise it as well as they can. I'm sure they weren't advertising it as big thrills, but just family thrills.

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in response to cedarpoint_marks comments :
actually im not looking for taller or faster at all, my whole point was that the rides at a lot of other parks might be smaller but theryre better. more thought must have been put into them , instead of just saying lets build something that breaks records. you can have a 90 ft tall coaster that has more air time and better pace than a coaster 3 times higher if its designed great. and as far as the lines .... i do expect to wait in a long line at cedar point and i dont really mind. but the only reason that i would be waiting in that line would be because of the hype of theyre coasters which doesnt match what they really are.... i dont blame the ppl for being sucked into the advertising of the rides. i dont really "blame" anybody at all .. its just a different style of park .. more concerned about making money than a fun experience. the thrill rides there are still alot of fun but going to the smaller park makes for a more enjoyable outing in everyway.

[QUOTE]"New for 2003! Crappy Wild Mouse coaster! There's dozens of these across the country, but this one is the best! You'll be scared to death from the 30 foot gut-wrenching drop and white knuckle speeds of 15 miles an hour! But only at...Animal Kingdom!"[/QUOTE]

You gotta admit, it would be funny to see an advertisement like that.:D

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Also remember...you are never the last in line.

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Also look at it this way, if they never advertised for their rides, and people never came, how would they get enough money to add new rides in the future? So, it is good that they advertise, and people come, cause then there is a new "big" thirll for the next year or 2, and the other rides will eventually get shorter waits.

Mike G, I get your point, that they have to advertise new rides and the best and scariest... That's why something like Superman is SFGA I'll be slightly irritated with the lines and will probably enjoy the ride more when its a decent rate.
But to be Disney World, make a premier new roller coaster (and it was promoted as this fantastic ride) a center of a publicity campaign, for me to get there thinking it will probably be cool and find a wild mouse roller coaster, seriously annoys me.
Why build crap? And it is crap. I have every right to feel cheated when an amuzement park advertises greatness (it doesn't have to be the biggest or baddest, just entertaining) and I'm purchasing a wild mouse or a Skull Mountain ride for my ticket.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tiger5181125 [/i]
[B] top thrill dragster is awsome but couldnt they have made it to have some more elements on it. it is the tallest and the fastest ride but it just go up once and back down . i think the reason they didnt design it to do anything else is because it would slow the ride capacity , all they care about is how many ppl they get money from ya know.. and just to get the record strait i dont hate cedar point at all , its still great i would just much rather go to six flags ohio or holiday world instead , where i can have fun riding great rides like the villian and legend without a 5 hour wait .... half the fun of going to a park is being able to ride the rides again and again !! [/B][/QUOTE]

first you complain about how the ride has no other elements but also complain about the long lines for the ride. If you reread your own post, you'll see that you addressed your own issue. You say that the reason there were no other elements were becuase it would slow capacity, well how long would the lines be then if they did have all these elements??? And still you would probably complian becuase the lines would then be even longer.

As for going on rides again again, you can, maybe just not a record breaking coaster, what is the surprise there? You can still get on Gemini in about 5-15 minutes, Magnum in about 30 minutes, Wicked Twister which only came out last year seems to usually only have an hour long line tops. Plus many other rides having shorter lines. I see nothing wrong with being able to ride MF, TTD and Raptor "only once" in a day while still being able to ride so much else that the park provides again and again.

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I can see where you are coming from, ''big" parks can sometimes get lost in themselves.

However I just can't see Cedar Point as a great exmple of a park [I]just[/I] trying to make money. I mean every park wants to make money. Cedar Point does a good job at providing multiple resources for many people to enjoy themselves-- I am talking having a park and resort all in [U]one location[/U]. There are few other themeparks out there that offer all of those amenities like Cedar Point (I can only think of Disney, and Universal). Also remember that Cedar Point is only open half of the year-- if even that.

Naturally after reading my name you could guess that I would argue that Six Flags would be the chain to complain about just trying to make money. But there is enough SF bashing-- so I won't go there.

What I like about small parks like Kennywood or Hersey is that they can make their product unique. Since their management is not park of a super huge network of mulitple parks, they can pay special attention to themselves and their customers.

BTW: TTD doesn't really need more elements to be thrilling. Honestly until you have been it you just don't know. So wait (5 hours) to ride it and then decide if it is just a ploy to get more money.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CedarPoint_Mark [/i]
[B]And this is why some enthusiasts are considered spoiled...because once things don't go their way, all they do is complain...[/B][/QUOTE]

You are completely wrong. He is not spoiled, because he would rather go to a smaller park than a bigger one. If you are spoiled all you want is the biggest and the best. He enjoys quality. Read the posts once in a while.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CedarPoint_Mark [/i]
[B]...one other "deserving" person can ride.[/B][/QUOTE]

Wow, I really hate you.

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WTF, intamin.

Why don't you quit spamming with your hatred of me and get over it. Its embarassing to be a fellow enthusiasts. Check memper pics lately??

what does quoting "deserving person can ride" have to do with hatred? I posted my views, I said nothing baout you, yet you see the need to attack me, and you are the only one that does. Just get the hell out of here and go back to building your NL creations.

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coasterlove: i wouldnt mind waiting in line all day if the TTD had a few more hills or inversions , i still waited 4 hours to get on it as it is . i suppose it was worth it . but still smaller parks with great quality rides are more fun!!

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tiger5181125 [/i]
[B]coasterlove: i wouldnt mind waiting in line all day if the TTD had a few more hills or inversions , i still waited 4 hours to get on it as it is . i suppose it was worth it . but still smaller parks with great quality rides are more fun!! [/B][/QUOTE]

I totally see and respect what you're saying. But when you look at Cedar Point as a whole, you'll see though that they also have the great quality rides like a smaller park might have, just that they have big advanced coasters too. You can ride Blue Streak or WildCat for example. Not to mention the water rides, Dodgems, sky ride and many other smaller rides there. You have to respect a park that builds some of the most advanced coasters and rides out there and still keeps their older rides spread nicely throughout the park.

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I went to Paramount's Kings Island on Wedensday, and NO ONE was there!! COOL!
The Beast-NO WAIT!
Son Of Beast-15 Miuntes
VORTEX-NO WAIT
Tomb Rader-12 Miuntes
Flight Of Fear-20 Miuntes
Face/OFF-NO WAIT
DROP ZONE-NO WAIT
Delerium-NO WAIT
TOP Gun-9 Miuntes
Go ON Wedensday!! NO LINES!!!!

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tiger5181125 [/i]
[B]in response to cedarpoint_marks comments :
actually im not looking for taller or faster at all, my whole point was that the rides at a lot of other parks might be smaller but theryre better. more thought must have been put into them , instead of just saying lets build something that breaks records. you can have a 90 ft tall coaster that has more air time and better pace than a coaster 3 times higher if its designed great[/B][/QUOTE]I agree with everything you said in the bit I quoted, but you really don't need to bash huge pars like Cedar Point. I mean, I LOVE smaller parks like Indiana Beach and Holiday World (together they have three of my top 5 coasters), but I LOVE the bigger parks, too. Even if you don't agree, don't go ranting of how you hate the big parks. Just go to the smaller parks yourself and let other people go to the larger parks and everyone will be happy. Just commenting on what you said, my favorite woodie is, I think, 45 feet tall (that's the height of the lift, but it's raised above the ground like 20 fett), Cornball Express. It's filled with huge amounts of air and laterals and it's just amazing. And, since it's at a smaller park, mid-summer waits are twenty minutes, while at huge parks the wait would be 5 times that. By the way, you are going on the wrong days, and since TTD just opened, the park should be more packed.

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Knoebel's in Elysburg, PA, consistently ranks as one of the best parks in the nation. It's a tiny place with two super woodies, a kick-ass kiddie coaster and a well maintained corkscrew. It is small, family owned and, on its most crowded days, is an absolute pleasure. It is near Hersheypark, Dorney and SFGrAdv and yet ith ols its own.

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