[QUOTE=Mustang23]^^^Coasterlove,

If you haven't noticed Snyder hasn't figured out the coaches and players part of the business yet. He knows marketing and finabce and getting people throu turnstyles.
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And so does almost every other football owner. Don't bother either to mention a few teams that don't do that well because I'll mention twenty-something that do. The same goes for other sports too. Look at almost every sport and the majority of teams do well. The only exception to that is NHL hockey. Many of those teams were losing money and that proves a good point. Do you think that for some reason NHL team owners just aren't as good or that perhaps it really has a lot to do with the sport and it's popularity?

Getting people to come to a sports game isn't the same as going to an amusement park. One does not equal the other. And in case you didn't know, in most sports, a lot ofpeople go just for an excuse to get drunk or be seen. And the NFL is the most popular sports league in the US. What's the most watched television event every single year? While I don't doubt his Snyder's business savvy, I can't be that impressed by him over anyone else since there are plenty of other successful owners.

Personally I'd be more excited if Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban wanted to take over Six Flags but I know there would be some or even a lot of people against that. Although he obviously knows how to run a business or two since he turned himself into a millionaire (or is a billionaire already?) in under a decade. But despite his business sense, I'm sure many would have doubts about him until he proved himself at his new venture.

That's how I feel about Snyder. And even if he does take over, it will be hard for me to give him any credit since Six Flags is turning it around. They have noted that have increased attendance at "virtually all their parks". Some of their parks have received huge jumps this year and Snyder had nothing to do with that. So any success he might have would be mostly because SF was already on that path, not because of any changes he might make.

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That fireball, Snyder, will just be a few feet away from me when the Redskins play the EAGLES on New Years Day. I work in the club section near the visiting club owner's box. To think he may get control of an empire that's a big part of my hobby. I'm concerned about the real estate executive he wants to bring in. I don't want SFGADV to lose its leading extra real estate holding.

Jim Cramer on Mad Money did not talk about PKS but in matter to stock of businesses in debt: "Sell, Sell, Sell."

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His plans Really are terrible. I'm not sure if anyone posted this, but he plans to lure marketers into the park to sell cell phones.

I'll try to restrain myself from chucking a basketball at their heads.:mad: :sick:

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Snyder is an idiot. He should worry about his football team, not an amusement park chain.

Anyway, I got a solution that I think will work:

Six Flags Owns:
-Six Flags Magic Mountain
-Six Flags Great Adventure
-Six Flags Great America

Cedar Fair Owns:
-Six Flags Darien Lake
-Six Flags Elitch Gardens
-Six Flags St. Louis
-Six Flags America

Paramount Owns:
-Six Flags New England
-Six Flags Over Texas
-Six Flags Over Georgia
-Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom

Sea World should buy Six Flags Marine World

Busch Gardens owns the rest

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Why would that help?^

[QUOTE=Dragon Mountain]Paramount Owns:
-Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom[/QUOTE]
So they have two parks less than 2hrs away from eachother


I still dont see your reasoin gbehind your list. How about you explain?

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[quote=Dragon Mountain]Snyder is an idiot.

Paramount Owns:
-Six Flags New England
-Six Flags Over Texas
-Six Flags Over Georgia
-Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom


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Do you really think that Six Flags should get rid of the park that started the entire chain in the first place (SFoT)?! And SFoG seems to be a great park. I'm really glad that you don't own the SF chain!

And about Snyder owning the whole thing! I can't stand the guy! I don't see why he thinks he can immediatly try to butt his head in the company and say, "I own Six Flags!" and then sell all of the expansion land! That's rediculous. And then to sue the very company you are trying to take over! Then you just have even more mess to clean up once you do take over (which I really hope doesn't happen)! This is outrageous!

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I would want six flags! :)

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[QUOTE=Dragon Mountain]I got a solution that I think will work:

Paramount Owns:
-Six Flags New England
-Six Flags Over Texas
-[B][I]Six Flags Over Georgia[/I][/B]
-Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom

Busch Gardens owns the rest[/QUOTE]

No-o-o-o-o!!!! Don't let Paramount get SFoG! Heck, SFoG might as well be one of the top ones. It IS a decent park. If anything HAS to change about SFoG, I'd rather it go independent as opposed to Cedar Fair or Paramount owning it.

Busch Gardens doesn't want any SF parks, I'm sure.

I see your overall idea, DragonMountain, but that specifically would never work ... not to me.

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C'mon now guys, don't you see the irony? The guy calls Snyder an idiot, then pops out one of the most ridiculous lists of who should get what park I've ever seen- with absolutely no basis in reality. Talk about a master of irony at work! :D

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I don't see why anyone even addressed "the list" but anyways.

I can't understand why anyone would be happy about Snyder taking over. It doesn't mean better parks, just more commercialized ones. I know some people want a change in the Six Flags management (I don't know why since the chain has seen major improvements the last few years) but wouldn't you want to see a change that means a better product?
It could be possible that SF will become more profitable but that will be due to more advertisments, more stuff to pay for, etc, not because the parks are better and more people are going. Since Snyder is from the sports world, I'll bring up a point about how sports have become much more profitable. Look at the games themself, can you say that the product is any better now than it was 10 or 20 years ago? I'm a huge basketball fan and I could it was better 10 years ago from what it is now but yet everything is more expensive and there are more advertisements than ever.

And that could be said for all sports and teams. From stadiums that use company names to ads all around the stadium and everything else. You look at sports and I don't see a better product but rather one that is more commercialized, where most owners don't truly care about winning unless it's because it means more profit for their team.

So if that's you want for Six Flags, then feel good about the fact that Snyder may in fact take over. Of course I want Six Flags to make profit but because they're giving us a good product not because the park is filled with more and more advertisements and they think of charging us as much as they can for every little thing. You think going to an amusement park now is expensive, wait till Snyder takes over.

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^Amen. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Actually SFOT & SFOG aren't "owned" by SF in the sense that the other parks are so they can never be sold & must remain a part of the chain.

These two parks have a partnership with SF so basically SF is in charge of management/operations & not much else.

The joke of a sig I made this past summer, "What if SFGADV's Best of the West became a HOOTERS?" may not be that far fetched if Snyder runs the place. I've just learned how FedEx Field has a HOOTERS location. I would not be surprised if he adds more of a City Walk/Shopping Mall experience, washing up the parks.

Daimler Chrysler just announced they will manufacture a Dodge NITRO SUV in the factory that makes the Jeep Liberty. I could imagine Snyder would probably "theme" , I mean park a Chrysler model in SFGADV NITRO's line.

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I personally do not think Snyder is the right person to be in charge of SFI. Yes, SF definitely needs new management, but after reading all of Snyder's ideas, I think it would be a thousand times worse with him at the helm.

If he takes over, I predict the following:

-No new coasters in any of the parks for a long time, and the coasters they do get will be all very tame-light on thrills and heavy emphasis on family rides. While I am all for parks offering a wide variety of experiences-from extreme coasters and thrillrides to under 48" friendly coasters to coasters that the entire family can enjoy, I predict that Snyder will attempt to turn Six Flags into another Paramount or Disney-heavy on the family rides and very light on thrills; only in this case, without the rich theming. If he starts taking out classic SF coasters for this, I imagine more than a few people will be upset. Given that he plans to sell off expansion land, there goes the room for new rides as well which means the older ones might be sacrificed.

While it is true that parks which appeal predominantly to families with young children can be very profitable, it isn't good for those of us who enjoy B&M coasters with a 52" height requirement, extreme coasters like X, or the latest thrill attraction as part of a ride lineup. Families and patrons include thrillseekers wanting the latest new thing as well, and if parks go too far in the other direction, they are losing a part of the market.

I think that parks like Busch, Islands Of Adventure and to some extent, Cedar Fair get the balance correct, with a mix of high thrill rides and attractions for the entire family; at the present, Six Flags is pushing more for all thrills whereas parks like Disney (and to a certain extent, Paramount) are pushing for all family. Whoever takes over SFI should try to find the middle ground, IMHO.

-Over commercialization. I predict that the parks will become a haven for people advertising cell phones, Internet service, and maybe even timeshare communities. I go to a park to get away from this kind of thing.

-Over pricing. While the Six Flags pricing structure now is not ideal, and needs fixing, I anticipate it could go ridiculously high with Red Zone in charge.

-A loss of classic park icons in favor of outsourcing concessions. No longer will there be traditional park restaurants, but areas to eat that look more like the Food Court at the mall.

-Loss of the Looney Tunes characters (to be replaced by who knows what), and loss of the clever Mr. Six ads.....I know they can be annoying sometimes, but they have helped SFI. It also would not surprise me if they changed the name "Six Flags" to something else.

Looking at SF's investments in the past year, and the way I have seen improvements in park ops, I think they are actually *starting* to turn things around. Their new additions for this year seem to be better thought out than in recent years, and it seems as if things are cleaning up.

I'd much rather see Cedar Fair take control of SF, or perhaps Cedar Fair take over some and Busch Entertainment take over others, as they seem to have an understanding of creating a well balanced and well rounded theme park experience that creates a safe and clean environment that offers something for everyone.

Worst case scenario, and Snyder does take over.....I am grateful that the new coasters that are going in this year at SF parks are already well underway, and that I bought my pass before the prices go up.

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[quote=Thrillboy]His plans Really are terrible. I'm not sure if anyone posted this, but he plans to lure marketers into the park to sell cell phones. [/quote]
Actually if you read the Red Zone plans, the cell phone idea was actually to make a deal to insert flyers indie of cell phone bills, a form of direct advertising.

[quote=Hammy2003]No-o-o-o-o!!!! Don't let Paramount get SFoG! Heck, SFoG might as well be one of the top ones. It IS a decent park. If anything HAS to change about SFoG, I'd rather it go independent as opposed to Cedar Fair or Paramount owning it.[/quote]
Wow, I thought I was pretty much the only person on earth who thinks Cedar Fair or Paramount would be bad. I totally agree, though as someone pointed out SFOG won't be easily detached from the chain.

[quote]Busch Gardens doesn't want any SF parks, I'm sure.[/quote]
St Louis, if any. I think SF is stingy with the park though.

[quote=coasterlove]I can't understand why anyone would be happy about Snyder taking over. It doesn't mean better parks, just more commercialized ones. I know some people want a change in the Six Flags management (I don't know why since the chain has seen major improvements the last few years) but wouldn't you want to see a change that means a better product?[/quote]
I firmly believe that Snyder's plans will in the end create more revenue, profits and the whole bunch, giving the parks more money for capital improvements, salaries, training, upkeep budgets etc. I really believe, after reading through all of the RZ stuff, that Snyder will vastly improve the company. With more money, the parks could get more/better new attractions, higher quality staff, rejuevenated appearence... and doesn't all of that kind of stuff add up into how good a park is?

[quote]So if that's you want for Six Flags, then feel good about the fact that Snyder may in fact take over.[quote]
And I am! In fact, I recently doubled the amount of stock I own in SFI, I think once the deal goes through I will bump that up even more :)

[quote]You think going to an amusement park now is expensive, wait till Snyder takes over.[/quote]
Or go to a Florida park. They are the generally most expensive parks in the nation, yet millions upon millions of people flock every year. Why? Because they are good parks and worth the money.

[quote=Jhcbiinoc]-No new coasters in any of the parks for a long time, and the coasters they do get will be all very tame-light on thrills and heavy emphasis on family rides.[/quote]
The proposals only call for an end to coasters that are too pricey for what they return in terms of reliability and the such. (AKA Kingda Ka :rolleyes:)

[quote]-Over pricing. While the Six Flags pricing structure now is not ideal, and needs fixing, I anticipate it could go ridiculously high with Red Zone in charge.[/quote]
What is redicuously high? SF is already cheap compared to others in the industry, especially their season passes.

[quote]Looking at SF's investments in the past year, and the way I have seen improvements in park ops, I think they are actually *starting* to turn things around. Their new additions for this year seem to be better thought out than in recent years, and it seems as if things are cleaning up.[/quote]
I agree, this year has been great, and I knew it would be way back in March. That doesn't mean I don't want Snyder to come in, $2+ billion is still out there, and from the dum dums in control now.

[QUOTE=BobFunland]I firmly believe that Snyder's plans will in the end create more revenue, profits and the whole bunch, giving the parks more money for capital improvements, salaries, training, upkeep budgets etc. I really believe, after reading through all of the RZ stuff, that Snyder will vastly improve the company. With more money, the parks could get more/better new attractions, higher quality staff, rejuevenated appearence... and doesn't all of that kind of stuff add up into how good a park is?[/QUOTE]

There's not much I can say since anything I say, you say or anyone else is just a matter of opinion since nobody knows for sure what will happen. I will say though that while what you say could happen, I strongly but respectfully disagree.

As for what you said about the Florida parks, I think that's because of two big issues. One is that Florida is very tourism heavy and the other is that Universal, Disney and Busch are big names and all advertise nationwide.

I don't dispute that they're good parks but look at a California park, Disney California Adventure aimed to be more of a thrill park but really hasn't lived up to that or even just being a great park. It's high in commercialism and does great because of the name Disney. So what I'm saying is, is just because a park has high attendance doesn't mean it's neccessarily a great park.

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[QUOTE=BobFunland]

The proposals only call for an end to coasters that are too pricey for what they return in terms of reliability and the such. (AKA Kingda Ka :rolleyes:)[/QUOTE]

I was not aware of that part. That to me actually makes sense.

My personal opinion is that this year, SF has played it smart with their coaster additions: Three custom B&M coasters, two of them tried and true designs that are focused on a quality ride rather than breaking records, (the Hypers), and one that is a record breaker but that is a variation on a design that has been tested and popular (the Flyer), all three built by a company known for reliability, safety, comfort and popularity with the GP and a wooden coaster that is said to offer a smoother ride than most and while it is a record breaker, it goes for steepest drop rather than trying to be a 250+ foot wooden coaster.

Not only that, they were pretty shrewd with where they added them-the markets where they will end up creating more revenue.

[QUOTE]What is redicuously high? SF is already cheap compared to others in the industry, especially their season passes.[/QUOTE]

Well, high for me would be over the $125 I just paid for the Xtreme Pass at SFMM. If he were to raise them to $150-175 and then add blackout dates, etc.....I'd still pay for them, but I would think that a bit much.

[QUOTE]I agree, this year has been great, and I knew it would be way back in March. That doesn't mean I don't want Snyder to come in, $2+ billion is still out there, and from the dum dums in control now.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'm not saying that the current management is the brightest bunch.....I think they went a little crazy and now they are paying for it and it may be a case of "too little too late".

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