Six Flags announces plans for Qatar amusement park (and Korea, China and India too) - Travel - LATimes.com

Well apparently the company ain't doing to bad if they're building a 60 acre park in Dubai with a 4-D coaster.

And another coaster in 2010 for MM, how freaking awesome. Sometimes being in California blows, but for coasters, man, sometimes its great to live near Magic Mountain.

I wonder what it could be...and where it would go?

I'm calling another woodie--El Toro style!

Let the speculation begin!

That's just a blog entry. I think for at least 9 months we've known about Six Flags' workings in Dubai. It's more like they were approached to build this park and are being paid for the management/consultation of this park with coasters of the non DC names being built for use there.

More recently I've heard on the radio about the effects of recent economic happenings bringing fear to the real estate market over there even.

Terminator Salvation the Ride has it's own construction thread right now in this forum.

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South Korea would rock as a Great Idea to Build a Six Flags Park.

Everland and Carribean Bay alone in 2007 recieved 8.6 Million Guests.
The Only Thing SK is Missing Right now is a Well Known Park.

Like Leo pointed out SFI doesn't own or put money into the foreign park(s). They are selling the name and consulting. SFI will get money for doing so but whether they get 1 or 8 million SFI won't get more money.

as for SFMM getting another coaster sounds unlikely and is a very old management move. They need to invest money in parks that aren't getting coasters or rides in 09 in 2010.

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How is it unlikely? Shapiro was quoted stating that the park will be bringing in a new coaster in 2010.

Unlikely? Mr. Shapiro let it slip, again.

Unnecessary for Magic Mountain? I personally think so. I think we all agree that the park has bigger fish to fry, especially since next year we'll be seeing a new GCI wooden coaster. Not to say I don't like new roller coasters, I'm very excited. But I think the park could have approached the 2010 season differently. Hopefully, there will be other improvements that are planned that have not yet been finalized or revealed.

^They want the coaster title back.

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^ I know Shapiro suggested that and so did Magic Mountain's head spokesperson, Sue Carpenter, but really? In this economy and all the hoopla about cutting back on capital expenditures!?

I suppose if you look at it this way, the park removed two coasters in one year (Flashback and Psyclone), and are bringing it back up to count. But still...Cedar Point and Magic Mountain each having 17 coasters is ridiculous. SEVENTEEN! Most of which are pretty large in size.

This is a blog not an article. What sort of checks and measures are taken to insure the truth. Here is one suspicious thing why is the Dubai project linked to Screamscape and not the SFI page? I remember another article that stated SFMM was getting Dark Night. anotehr thing is that Shapiro tells people what they want to hear. It dosen't always happen. I have met him and watched him to interviews.

As for the coaster title back? they, if they added anotehr coaster, would likely add a smaller coaster not a major one. It woudl also only tie then with CP with 17. that's a tie not a title. this is also assuming that after 2 years of doing nearly nothing CP doesn't get their 18th coaster.

Like I said before they should be investing their money in other parks. People are not all of a sudden going to stop going to SFMM if they opt to add a major thrill ride of a few family rides instead of a coaster. on the other hand parks that have seen little to nothing over the years continue to loose guests to other parks or straight out frustration.

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The Quatar park may be the Six Flags' equivalent of a Borders Express store.

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Can I bear my soul to you guys for just a minute?

Can someone in California tell me if MM has the same syndrome that Cedar Point has.

You walk in the park thinking, "MAN! 17 COASTERS ARE HERE. It'll never end."

But, at the end of the day, after you've ridden everything, you can't for the life of you name like, 8 coasters in the park, and maybe like 5 that were awesome enough to remember?

What I mean, is, it doesn't feel like much more coasters than any other park, because they all sorta start running together?

Like, Cedar Point, these rides come to mind when I think of my trips:

TTD, MF, Raptor, Maverick, Mantis, Magnum.

I mean, theres 9 more coasters there?

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Six Flags building a park (well, more like licensing a park) in Dubai is old news. The Quatar park is new, and it's the same kind of deal as the Dubai park. No money out of SIX's pocket, so why not?

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I wonder what other improvements are in store for all the other SF parks for 2010.

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I take it not miniature golf. How slim will they run? Can I get a Pirate Battle at SFGADV if it works at SFGAM?

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I've been to both parks and I kind of know what you're getting at. Because both parks have such a huge roster of coasters, some of them seem to be very similar or repetitive.

In the case of Magic Mountain --- Viper, Scream! and The Riddler's Revenge are basically the same kind of ride. Very long, and emphasis on many inversions even though two have gimmicky type vehicles.

In the case of Cedar Point --- Magnum XL-200 and Millennium Force were built on the same exact principles...of great height, fast speed, and long track length. Some would argue Gemini is just a enlarged version of Cedar Creek Mine Ride.

But I think the beauty of having so many coasters is that there's always a ride for a different kind of person to enjoy. There will be coaster rider that hates big drops, but loves inversions. There will be another coaster rider that hates inversions, but loves wooden roller coasters..so on and so forth.

When you start getting into a high number of coaster I think you are going to suffer that fate. I mean look at even SFNE, 9 coaster. Out of that 9 Superman, Dark night, and Pandemonium, some times thunderbolt are the only ones I would really talk about. but then look at A park like BGE only 6 coasters. and you are likely to walk away remembering all of them.

a bit more on topic. SFMM doesn't need a coaster. They need flat rides. Wiggles world may add flats but flats that accommodate only small portion of those coming to the park. They, even with a couple kiddie lands, will never be up to par with parks like Disney and Lego land.

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I think Six Flags should start moving/ removing some of the BIG Coasters, send them to other parks, and add major Flat Rides in their Area.

Scream could go To SFGAm
Riddler's Could go to SFStL or SFNE
Viper could go to to SFNE or Some other Park
Deja Vu should leave ASSUMING IT HAS THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT the Other ones had

And Add some Major Flats Like an S&S Screaming Swings, Huss Giant Frisbee, Top Spin, IDK. Something!

^^ dadebrew members on ThrillNetwork have a right to post almost anything as their avatar as long it is not truly offensive, like containing profanity, etc.

If you are that easily offended, I think you need to check your attitude at the door.

TN discusses other things than just roller coasters.

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I think Shapiro wishes to tie and perhaps eventually beat CP in coaster count with SFMM once again like it was several years ago- except this time, ALL coasters will operate...

Plus, based off what I have seen and heard- SFMM is more well-rounded in the coaster department than CP anyway... they have just about every type in existance there- not 4 or 5 of virtually the same kind of coaster with a higher height.

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A Six Flags that has all their coasters working at once? You speak blasphemy!

Next you'll want them to run all their trains.

If this turns out to be true (the 2010 coaster thing) I would be very surprised. A wooden coaster is a big investment and they could milk it for several years.

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GAmFanboy - the concept isn't bad in fact SFI did this in the early 90's. But SFNE doesn't need nor do they have room for any major coasters. Not to mention there are parks like SFAm that need coasters far more then SFGAdv, SGAm, or SFNE.

tntornadox - SFMM never had more coasters then CP they tied in count but 2 of the coasters on SFMM side never operated. I doubt SFMM will ever beat them since CP can ad a coaster in the next year or 2 and have a higher count again. As for variety, CP has done a lot to bring in new technology. Cp also has more flats then SFI top parks put together.

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I never said they had beat CP, I know they tied at one point. Shapiro took care of those coasters that never operated and is replacing them with high quality investments. And they are improving the flat situation as we speak...

I am just tired of this negativity concerning Six Flags- they deserve credit for what they have accomplished as of late in improving the park experience.

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Happy 10th Anniversary to the coaster that started it all- Tennessee Tornado!

I give them credit for some park experience work this past few years. They have to buckle up for the debt obligations in the next year or so.

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Well not quite six until this year. Sesame is finally putting in the good type of kiddie coaster this park has long-needed. It looks quite good from route 60.

On six flags topic, didn't Shapiro say just a short little while ago that "there will be no more Goliaths."

And the Dubai park I'm pretty sure will be paid by Dubai except for the odd management thing. Sounds a lot like what AB wanted to do over there until it fell through (didn't it?, I can't remember), and Dubai was paying for all of that.

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I do believe Shapiro was referring to Kingda Ka, correct me if I am wrong?

And in regards to that, he is a very smart businessman- he knows that if SFMM can tie or take the coaster crown from Cedar Point, it could potentially be PR gold...

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Happy 10th Anniversary to the coaster that started it all- Tennessee Tornado!

tntornadox - I must have misinterpreted your statement. But I don't get how you feel he is fixing the flat situation. Unless your counting the dozens of kiddie rides that have been installed around the chain. but I will admit there has been some positive changes.

Shapiro was referring to El toro and Kingda Ka while at SFGAdv. he repeated the statement about Goliath at LA Ronda and especially at SFOG. He repeated the statement at other parks about similarly big attractions.

DisGardeVersal - Actually the Busch deal worked a little different form the SFI deal. Busch had a lot more control over what was going on. Busch put the deal on hold not Dubai. The media on the project is off. SFI was involved with Park Warner Madrid. So this is not the first foreign park. they owned a number of parks around Europe that they turned around and sold off.

As for the Goliath comment, he was referring to large coaster. He feels a 15-20 million coaster never pays itself back. which is the truth in some cases but a complete misconception in others. A park that already has a number of coasters will see a slower return on a major coaster addition. Really once your so big, it's a matter of kipping attendance and not growing. You can only grow by adding attractions that will draw a different audience then you already have.

A park with fewer coaster or hasn't seen a coaster in a while will see a huge return on a major addition. for example Terminator would see a much faster Return on investment at say SFAm then at SFMM. because the addition would attract much more people. that increase in people would also spend money in the park. Because it's a park that doesn't already have 15 coasters it will pull guests for a longer time period.

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^I'm sorry dude, I can barely understand what you're saying.

So I guess a 4D coaster and a GIB doesn't count as bringing in new technology? How about the worlds tallest and fastest B&M Flyer? Hmmm...I mean, besides launching trains faster, or making coasters taller I really don't see how CP has nearly the amount of variety of coasters that MM provides-which has kinda always been my issue with visiting CP. Besides Manta and Raptor they're all pretty much standard, sit down rides -overrated ones at that.

Magic Mountain doesn't need "Goliath" rides to still create family fun, and thrills for the older crowd. I might have said this before, but I would have no problem with them installing one of these. Cheaper, smaller, and finally maybe some ejector air!

I just hope that SFOG gets at least one good flat next year.

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Kawasemi dose look like a good coaster. But after shipping it into the US Your looking at a coaster on park in price to Goliath. So while it might be smaller is size it's still a Goliath level of investment. Your looking at the equivalent of 2 Terminator coasters.

I agree that CP has a lot fo sit down rides. It's something I wish they would improve upon. but then SFMM is on par. Only 2 of their coasters are not sit down. But again when you go for volume like SFMM and CP are you tend to loos something in the process.

Racer - I am hoping right along with you. SFOG is lacking in the flat department. They especially need more thrill rides.

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