I always read about the Premier coasters that still have OTSR's, and I always hear about problems with headbanging on these coasters.

Now, I know that almost any steel coaster with OTSR's (Save for a few Beemers) is going to have a few headbanging issues, but it is always the most prevalent on Premier's coasters.

I've never been on a Premier coaster, so could someone who has tell me why this is so? Does it have something to do with the way the trains or the restraints themselves are designed?

the premeir i rode was the chiller,and there was headbanging because the train goes through the elements at a really high spead,so its more jerky then if it went through the elements at a slower speed.

for their spagetti bowl coasters,i think the reason for headbanging is because the coasters are really compact

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Personally I've experienced more headbanging on Togo coasters and even some arrow loopers...but it's my understanding that the very big OTSR's were the main reason for a lot of headbanging. Last august I had the priviledge of talking to one of the people who was in charge of the lap bar modifications to robin chiller while we were in the process of testing out the train, and part of his explanation included this: When you have OTSR's around you, it will create a force that will make your head swing back and forth. And the bigger and heavier the OTSR's, the stronger the force will be, causing your head to sway back and forth more. When you take the OTSR's off, all that weight that was there is no longer so your head will stay more stable. Also the other major modification that was done, besides the OTSR's, was that they lowered the seats a considerable level, causing for a lower center of gravity, which makes your head even more stable. So, much less weight around your upper body and lowered seats all contributed to the much improved premier trains that we are going to be seeing pop up on most of their coasters. I know he explained it to me much better, but it was a long time ago :)

I've been on the hell that was FoF with OTSR and vowed never to put myself through that again. I think it is that they are bulky and hard, add in high speed tight inversions... and you got your self a temple pounding!

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I went on Speed: The Ride in Las Vegas and that ride was Glass smooth. It was when it first opened so it could have roughned up a little but I doubt much. Lap bars would be totally unecessary but a welcomed change. If only all Premier's coasters were that smooth.

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the spagetti bowl coasters have lots of fast turns at a high speed so it makes it more jerky when the trims r on "hard" its not as bad.. :)
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RCFreak [/i]
[B]I went on Speed: The Ride in Las Vegas and that ride was Glass smooth. It was when it first opened so it could have roughned up a little but I doubt much. Lap bars would be totally unecessary but a welcomed change. If only all Premier's coasters were that smooth. [/B][/QUOTE]

Speed The Ride is one of Premier's newer coasters. Their older ones however, such as Mr. Freeze The Ride(s), Batman & Robin The Chiller, The Outer Limits Flight of Fear were the ones that were plagued with EXTREMELY painful headbanging when they were still running with OTSR. Speed The Ride is still quite smooth. Which is a good thing. I would like to see lapbars on that ride though...

I think the only Premier Rides I've been on with OTSR were: Batman & Robin: the chiller, Flight of Fear, and Joker's Jinx. It's hard to recall which was the worst. It just seems that the OTSR are overkill. Lapbars are certainly more comfortable. When S:ROS came out with their lap bar - it seemed revolutionary to me. I hope they keep looking at innovations in the restraints area.

BTW, TOGO definitely hs some painful OTSR's. On Viper at SFGrAdv the head restraints were like two cinderblocks covered in vinyl.

All compact/indoor coasters are rough cause of the way the track has to keep changing direction all the time.

Don't pretty much all the Spaghetti Bowl's now (i.e: FOF, JJ, Poltergeist, and Mad Cobra) all have Lap Bars now. I think Premier is changing all their coasters to lap bars now that they were such a success on Flight of Fear!

Iv'e have never experienced any head banging on Mr. Freeze. The Premier that I've rode is Runaway Mountain(Premier enclosed coaster) but it doesn't have OTSR's. But I will be glad when Mr.F gets lap bars.:D

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There is also a lot of headbanging on the Python at BGT.:) :*) :) :*) :) :sick: :*) :)

That's great Banjo, but Python is an Arrow Dynamics product. I REALLY can not wait to get onto a refurbished Premier coaster. Especially on one of the two Mr. Freeze coasters! Batman & Robin The Chiler doesn't look that bad either...;)

Premier's track designed aren't bad (as Vekoma or Arrow). But 2 things set it apart from B&M loopers.

1. Premier's OTSR is very narrow and tall. This gives you no way to prevent from getting bashed. B&M's is slightly lower and lot more wider, so even on a nasty one like Kumba, you can still avoid headbanging.

2. B&M train has spring-loaded wheels and turntables.

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Spaghetti Bowls are more jerky because they have so many rapid elements and you change directions so fast you are thrown into the restraints. On FOF you had absolutely no chance of not getting head banging because you were in the dark and couldn't see where you were going causing you body to be thrown into restraints. Now I haven't ridden Joker's Jinx so I don't know if the headbanging was as bad on it as it was on FOF. Also on FOF the restraints were very hard (or so it seemed) so that's another reason why it seemed worse. Speed the ride doesn't really need lab bars (although it would be great) because there is no headbanging and if there is any they have very padded restraints. That's probably the only ride that won't get lap bars

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I personally have no prob with OTS, but i wouldn't mind have just lapbars put in or maybe another restraining item.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by kraxleRIDAH [/i]
[B]That's great Banjo, but Python is an Arrow Dynamics product. I REALLY can not wait to get onto a refurbished Premier coaster. Especially on one of the two Mr. Freeze coasters! Batman & Robin The Chiler doesn't look that bad either...;) [/B][/QUOTE]

Sorry for the comment, kraxleRIDAH. I did not post it. Someone used my computer and I was logged in and so it used my name as if I wrote it. Hope this clears things up.

Another thing about those nasty OTSR, the thick padding up by your face on a nice hot summer day......Lets just say that I don't enjoy wearing the musk of other people. B.O. stink sucks! I can't wait to ride Joker's Jinx with the lapbars.

I was on Batman & Robin: The Chiller this year. Wow, what a difference the lapbars make. Loved the zero-G roll this time around. The only problem is that people don't know where the seat belt attaches to. They sit there with a puzzled look on their face when they can't find the other end of the seat belt. IT HOOKS INTO THE LAPBAR!!!

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I'm glad the OTSR's are gone. When I worked at Chiller in 98 and it was down for the afternoon, we'd clean the trains. Layers of caked/dried sweat/wax could be scraped off the head restraints. Yea those restraints got really dirty. That inline twist was so much better with the lapbars on the train when I rode Batman this year. Strangely for having worked there one year and having OTSR's on the train, I had never felt a freefalling effect going in reverse through the Top Hat until this first time that I rode Batman with lapbars. That click clack noise that the trains make when they launch is not something that was that there the first full year of operation. The wear and tear oh well... Now I can't wait to ride Joker's Jinx again, revised.....

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I havent been on a modified premier coaster, but I went on Puoltergeist before it was modified. I know that you hit your head against the restraints, but it really wawsnt that bad. At least the pain factor. But I wouild love to ride it modified.

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You live in Houston man, so go for it.I have never been on a Premeir with OTSH's, but the lap bars on FOF were awsome.I could understand why it would hurt, though.Still jerks even though there's no pain.Just imagining what the OTSHs would do to me is scary.
I hope that the Vekoma bowls will get lap bars.I know that Premeir is looking into helping them, but they're atill 2 dif. companies.And remember, it's mostly Disney.I know that there's enough clearence, though.I still had my hands up the whole time, but it got scary that I'd lose a finger.

Its probably a combination of the size of the OSTR's with the rapid behavior of the elements. The bigger the OSTR's, the more likely it is that your head will make contact with them, as well as the jerkiness of the ride means that you wil expereince more headbanging, IMO. B&M's OSTR's are a little smaller, so your less likely to hit it, and the element transitions are much smoother, mean a much smoother ride.

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I would, but being that I cant actually drive, that poses a problem. My parents dont like to drive me accross the state for coasters. But maybe Ill get to go to Fiesta Fest next year.

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Unfotuantely I've never been on a premeir coaster, but I don't find all of these so called rough rides all that rough. I didn't get much headbanging on Python at BGT, I enjoy Ninja at SFOG dispite the occasional bump, and who ever was complaining about kumba is just plain spoiled.

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I rode Joxer's Jinx and Filght of Fear with lapbars and well they're awasome! JJ was only ok but it is in my top 25 (but i've only ridden 50 coasterz) but FOF is amazing the way they light it up from the bottom of the supperts is freaky. I mean it may have been scary before lap bars but at least with OTSRs you know that'll take the top of the car before it can hit you!

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The only coaster from them I rode that had the harnest were, The Chiller and Jokers jinx. The robin side of the chiller was more worse then the batman side becuase when you where tyring to recover from the first turn over of the cobra roll, it hit you with another shot of roughness, mainly becuase of the high speed, then after seeing everything shake and starting to slow down with the shaking you where wacked with anther earthqauk like shake, and as you rode up the tower it left you dizzy, and not knowing where you were, then you did it all again backwards,and it was even worse becuase you couldent see where you where going, as for the batman side, it happened entering the tophat, and exiting it, then in the barrel roll, but not as much,but on some days more then Robin. As for Jokers jinx, it was really bad, the first half wasent too bad becuase it wasent at such a high speed as the Chiller, but once you passed trou the rings, it was endless till the brakes ,and got worse as it got to the lower levels of the bowl,where all you could do was take the beating. Those where the worst head banging stories I have ever had, on arrow coaster I never get banged around as much, just here and there,and not all the time, but when rideing premeir rides before the lapbars you knew it was ganna happen,and if you dident like it dont ride,and that is why There was never a line for The chiller,and to go way way back and remember what The Chiller first felt like with out all that padding,and just the orange harnest, thou it wasent as bad as the following year when all it had was a light coating with a cloth like materal wraped around the top,when somtimes not tied right could scraped ur face up. On a side note: The lapbars have made a huge difrence The chiller is now more popular then Nitro at times when everything else has 15min wait times The chiller still gets 1hr waits, mainly due the the low capacity, when I rode Jokers jinx it was really fun it was like rideing a wild bull, like I had heard others say, and I thought Outer limits was a fun ride, but the way they slow it down so much is really stupid, other then that it is great not seeing the track 5ft in front of you. If they took offt he brakes it could be alot beter, it dosent make sence stoping the ride not even half way throu, maybe it is a safety feature or somthing.

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I have ridden FoF, JJ, chiller both sides with OTSR's and Lap Bars, and the coasters are great and smoth with lapbars, but with otrs its soo close to your head it bands no matter what but with Lap Bars its so mcuh better :)

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by coasterguy1 [/i]
[B]I would, but being that I cant actually drive, that poses a problem. My parents dont like to drive me accross the state for coasters. But maybe Ill get to go to Fiesta Fest next year. [/B][/QUOTE]

WHy go to Fiesta Fest, there's a major ACE event coming to us in 03.

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