Arrow Dynamics is now looking to merge with one of it's competetors. So far, they have had contacts with Premier Rides and Reverchon. Apparently, Arrow is unable to re-construct their business after losing $3.8 million dollars on X and filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Read the full story here: [url]http://sltrib.com/05082002/business/business.htm[/url]

I have mixed feelings ablout this. It's great that there is a chance that Arrow will get back on their feet, but if they do, it wont be the same Arrow anymore.

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Hopefully it will be Premier. It could mean launched 4D's :D :D :D

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Hmm, this is interesting. Hopefully they'll merge with premier, since arrow already knows how to make good loopers and other ride, they'll use premier track which will make their rides smooth. I think those two companies combined would make a good combination.

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ilohope i il be premier,I love premier, and tis could mean.......more loopers with lapbar trains!
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Premier had already swallowed another troublesome coaster maker in the past, TOGO, and now it's porbably the saviour of another troubled one, Arrow.

The problem behind Arrow is, it simply didn't build enough coaster to make money. Or may be no one wants to order it's coaster because of bad reputation of older Arrow coasters.

Survival of the fittest, this shows that if you don't make coaster good enough, you aren't going to stay in business for long.....

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I would think a smarter move would be to merge with D.H. Morgan Mfg. since much of their track is based on Arrow's old designs, and many of the employees are former Arrow employees. Also Dana Morgan was president of Arrow during the Arrow/Huss era. A merger with them would also make Arrow's newer coasters smoother, as Morgan does all its track manufacturing in house.

Vekoma would be another choice, but they've been having financial problems of their own.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Medusa1861 [/i]
[B]ilohope i il be premier,I love premier, and tis could mean.......more loopers with lapbar trains!
= ) [/B][/QUOTE]
What? Type slower and look at the screen when you type because I have no idea what the beginning of your statement is trying to say.

I would like to see Arrow merge with Premier as well. Reverchon wouldn't be too cool since Arrow already does wild mouse coasters. Premier would probably be the best bet. Hopefully this will all work out. Arrow needs to stay in the business because I [i]need[/i] more 4D's. I'd like to see other designs go into the mix. There is so much more a 4D can do!

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The second I saw this thread, I was pretty sure Arrow and Morgan were merging. They have alot in common. You can barely tell their hypers apart. It would be fine if they merged with Premier or Morgan, as long as they stay. Arrow is too rich in history to just dissapear from the coaster world. And why does it seem that Six Flags is making all of these companies bankrupt?

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This is messed, I was for sure guraenteed that Arrow would make a lot of money from thier 4d's, wrong! I thought the 4d was going to be the next Boomerang seriously, it seems like a really good ride, just I think arrow shouldve charged SFMM more money for the ride, I mean, cmon, look how much labor went into that ride, nearly almost a full year, and tons of years for designing and initail concept.

So..in that case......... Arrow & Vekoma LOL :D

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HAHA i can see it now: Arrow/Vekoma MFG. present: The Terrible [spine] Twister! The worlds first launched 4-D Giant Boomerang!

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Smoky [/i]
[B]I would think a smarter move would be to merge with D.H. Morgan Mfg. since much of their track is based on Arrow's old designs, and many of the employees are former Arrow employees. Also Dana Morgan was president of Arrow during the Arrow/Huss era. A merger with them would also make Arrow's newer coasters smoother, as Morgan does all its track manufacturing in house.

Vekoma would be another choice, but they've been having financial problems of their own. [/B][/QUOTE]

Morgan, that's not going to happen. Morgan is way too small to swallow Arrow. Arrow is a sick company, but still a relatively huge compared to Morgan.

Also, Dana left Arrow for reasons, I don't think he would be happy to be back in Arrow.

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too bad arrow screwed up. hopefully this won't become a fad (coaster companies in finacial trouble)

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by coasterguy1 [/i]
[B]Arrow is too rich in history to just dissapear from the coaster world. [/B][/QUOTE]Yes, Arrow'd done so much in the development of coasters, they couldn't just go away. If Arrow merged with Premier, imagine the possibilities............. :D

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I hope it's Premier. An arrow looper with smooth track and lapbars *drool*

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Read the article more carefully... sounds like Arrow would like a merger BUT the people Arrow owes money to want the company's assets sold off (they want their money quickly). Premier and Reverchon may be interested in the assets (buildings, computers, machines)...

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I doubt that Arrow will just be destroyed. Like it was stated, they have a rich history, and no matter how much someone owes someone else money, they shouldnt want to see the business completely destroyed. Or am I just not seeing the big picture?

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Even if they do go under, they will most likely sell their 4d concept to other companies. That way they can make a little bit of cash. If they go under for good they will probably do that.

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If Arrow and Premier do merge, they would certainly make an awesome roller coaster company. Launched 4th Dimensions, inverting supendeds, lap-bar loopers, insane mine trains...the list can go on and on. Hopefully though, they dont become a completely new company, but one in which ideas are used from both when they were ( are ) sperate. We can only hope and pray...

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by intamin101 [/i]
[B]Even if they do go under, they will most likely sell their 4d concept to other companies. That way they can make a little bit of cash. If they go under for good they will probably do that. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well, you see, thanks to the UCC code, Arrow couldn't get money for their copyrights and patents to the 4d due to problems with it fitting the description of a sale. Patents and Copyrights are considered intangible goods, so if Arrow were to give away their design, they would have to make a barter with the other company and get another intangible good. What that would be, I have no idea.

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I would like to see Arrow stay based in the States. Premier would be a ggod choice since they make good coasters and now they are even better. Premier still hasn't taken advantage of TOGO (I'm still waiting for a Launched heartline) and with Arrow there they could offer a lot more. I wouldn't mind too much if Intamin bought them out because they are great and can do a lot with what Arrow had. A 4-D with box track would be awesome!

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Natelox [/i]
[B]too bad arrow screwed up. hopefully this won't become a fad (coaster companies in finacial trouble) [/B][/QUOTE]

Nah. I doubt that B&M is going to have any financial problems anytime soon. In fact, they're probably the reason why other compainies are in trouble. Every park wants a beemer, so other companies lose out.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cedarboy2001 [/i]
[B]

Nah. I doubt that B&M is going to have any financial problems anytime soon. In fact, they're probably the reason why other compainies are in trouble. Every park wants a beemer, so other companies lose out. [/B][/QUOTE]is Morgan that much smaller than Premier?

Just a little side note: I got this information from thispagecannotbedisplayed and there is another thread like this one over their too.

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Morgan won't be merging with Arrow anytime soon, and not just because of its size. It just recently merged with Chance rides (ChanceMorgan is now the name of the company) so it's kind of tied up right now. Don't know that it has the capital to do it successfully anyways.

And Vekoma is definately not an option. One bankrupt company that had to be bought out certainly isn't going to have the resources to buy out another bankrupt company.

Premier would be nice since they are both American companies and since it's got the finanaces to bail Arrow's debt problems, but we'll have to wait and see if either one happens, or none at all. Nothing's a done deal yet by any means, and some of the Arrow investors are pushing for liquidation instead of merger.

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i thought of morgan at first too.

Permeir yeah! that would rock! Smooth, lapbar only, intence Arrow rides! IF THIS IS IT I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!! Think of the possabilities!:D :D :D

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ride6 [/i]
[B]Permeir yeah! that would rock! Smooth, lapbar only, intence Arrow rides! IF THIS IS IT I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!! Think of the possabilities!:D :D :D [/B][/QUOTE]

You're telling me! Think about all that Arrow, Premier and TOGO could do together! I've made a list of the types of coasters that they would possibly be able to produce:

Heartline
Stand-Up
2 Kinds of Hyper ( Arrow-TOGO )
2 Kinds of Corkscrew ( Arrow-Togo )
Launched Full Circuit ( Premier )
Launched Boomerang ( Premier-Arrow )
Suspended
ArrowBATic
Mad Mouse
Virginia Reel
4th Dimension
MineTrain ( Arrow-TOGO )
Other Thrill Rides

**When I say that there could possibly be two types of one coaster, I'm reffering to differences in track design. These are just the possible coasters that could be built. If Arrow and Premier do merge, I would assume that they would use one standard form of track.**

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that would be so awesome if arrow and premier merged. i cant stop thinkin about how awesome a launced 4d would be.

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