When is it REALLY a coaster?

Hank · #1 07-11-2002, 12:04 AM

There has been much debate over the ride Superman The Escape as to whether or not it is classified as a coaster. Well, what about rides like CP's Demon Drop? It rides on rails, falls down on rails, tilts you backwards on rails - 'coasting' all the while. It might be stretching it, but is it a coaster or not?

(maybe you've discussed this before, but if not - boy am I in for a lot of responses!)

SFGadvKing · #2 07-11-2002, 12:55 AM

[url]http://www.coasterforum.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5302&highlight=definition+of+a+coaster[/url]

and there are a lot more, i just cant find them right now. anyways, i do consider them a coaster, they have all the characterisitcs of a rollercoaster. i've heard this from someone else, but i forgot who, "if it gets debated about being a coaster, its a ccoaster" i agree with that.

Chris L · #3 07-11-2002, 01:00 AM

[url]www.coasterforum.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6490[/url]

Make the point to read the first post. Don't go bashing like as if you've already read it.

Andrew W · #4 07-11-2002, 01:13 AM

Well, I hate to get this arguement restarted, but, I must. If you consider Superman: The Escape a rollercoaster, why can you NOT consider 1st generation intamin freefalls coasters as well? They utalize an elevator lift system, similar to that seen on a few coasters (ie, Ghoster Coaster at PKI) they roll on wheels, and are partially powered by gravity. They roll, they coast, so why arn't they a coaster! Now, of course I'm not being serious about this, 1st Gen Intamin Freefalls are the last thing I'd consider a coaster, but it just seems that far too many people are using these same criteria to clasify Superman as a coaster.

HisDougness · #5 07-11-2002, 01:26 AM

If we were to classify "anything that rolls and coasts" as a roller coaster, then taking your skateboard to the top of a hill and riding down is a roller coaster!

The first gen freefalls are different than Superman in that the riders are parallel to the track for the entire ride. The method of loading is so much more like a flat ride as opposed to a coaster as well.

Hank · #6 07-11-2002, 09:05 AM

Thanks for your replies - I did not know about the other links.

RaptorXLC · #7 07-11-2002, 10:27 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HisDougness [/i]
[B]If we were to classify "anything that rolls and coasts" as a roller coaster, then taking your skateboard to the top of a hill and riding down is a roller coaster!

The first gen freefalls are different than Superman in that the riders are parallel to the track for the entire ride. The method of loading is so much more like a flat ride as opposed to a coaster as well. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well what about flyers. They are always parallel to the track. It's basically the same thing.

Tanner_J · #8 07-11-2002, 10:54 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RaptorXLC [/i]
[B]

Well what about flyers. They are always parallel to the track. It's basically the same thing. [/B][/QUOTE]

Do you mean flyers as in B&M and Flying Dutchman? If so those are roller coasters!

SFGadvKing · #9 07-11-2002, 11:40 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tanner_J [/i]
[B]Do you mean flyers as in B&M and Flying Dutchman? If so those are roller coasters! [/B][/QUOTE]

he means both. in both cases, you are always parallel to the track except for the short time in the station. and about the skateboard, thats not correct because there is no track under you. if the wheels would someone be connect to two poles, than yes, i would consider it to be a rollercoaster. btw,
[QUOTE]Make the point to read the first post. Don't go bashing like as if you've already read it.[/QUOTE]
who was that to?

Alien@SixFlags · #10 07-11-2002, 12:11 PM

i do not qualify demon drop as a coaster cuz u r not always parallel to it, when you go down on your back then stop, then car swings down into a sitting position, but i qualify flyers as coasters cuz the car swings in the loading process, but demon drop swings while on the ride

CoasterCrazy · #11 07-11-2002, 01:26 PM

Of course, when you use the term "parallel" to describe a coaster, you get into problems. The trains, or passengers for that matter, on TOGO heartline coasters and Arrow Fourth Dimension coasters, are not parallel to the track. These types of coasters are not debated about, and yet they don't meet all of the criteria when you mention "parallel" in the definition of a roller coaster. I know that these types, and others similar to them, are roller coasters, I was just using them as an example.

SFGadvKing · #12 07-11-2002, 02:05 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Alien@SixFlags [/i]
[B]i do not qualify demon drop as a coaster cuz u r not always parallel to it, when you go down on your back then stop, then car swings down into a sitting position, but i qualify flyers as coasters cuz the car swings in the loading process, but demon drop swings while on the ride [/B][/QUOTE]

well not exactly. you can say that the flyers tilt in the loading process but isnt that pretty much the same on the freefalls? the ride is over and you are getting tilted going into the "station"(the whole part under the track) so the riders can easily unboard the cars. its pretty much the same.

may the FORCE be with you · #13 07-11-2002, 02:48 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SFGadvKing [/i]
[B]

well not exactly. you can say that the flyers tilt in the loading process but isnt that pretty much the same on the freefalls? the ride is over and you are getting tilted going into the "station"(the whole part under the track) so the riders can easily unboard the cars. its pretty much the same. [/B][/QUOTE]yeah I honestly don't see how they aren't coasters (even though I don't consider them coasters, I've heard no good proof for them not being coasters)

robocoasterdude · #14 07-11-2002, 03:50 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks the 1st gen free-falls should count. At least those rides are full circuit! I think the return trip to the station is one of the funner elements of any ride that I've been on too (the tipping backwards part...that gives it a flat ride feel while the g's on the pullout give it a coaster feel). If shuttle rides are considered roller coasters, then surely something full circuit should count as well. It has a similar wheel setup to current day coasters, runs on rails, is powered by gravity, has a lift, and (stretching it, but still...) loads per car, not the entire ride at once (like flat rides or other free fall rides).

So I really don't care what the record books say - in my book, Cedar Point has 16 ROLLER COASTERS.

-Robocoasterdude

Matt M · #15 07-11-2002, 05:46 PM

Aren't they practically complete circiut???

SonOfBeast · #16 07-11-2002, 05:57 PM

See here's what I think, I don't care if it's a coaster or not, Why does it honestly matter, I mean really all it is is bragging rights, as long as it's fun I'm up for it

Another post that will be bashed by SonofBeast

Goliathlete · #17 07-11-2002, 09:56 PM

Imo, S: TE is a coaster, freefalls are not.

SFGadvKing · #18 07-11-2002, 10:23 PM

i've got it! what about ultratwister, do you consider that a rollercoaster? its pretty much the same exact thing. it goes up the lift, goes down the hill, and then it gets lowered down onto the track underneeth. you guys have to consider it a coaster.

**Byron** · #19 07-12-2002, 12:01 AM

but Ultra Twister coasts uphill as well....First Gens don't

***Chip*** · #20 07-12-2002, 02:37 AM

This is a repeat topic. You can use the [URL=http://www.thrillnetwork.com/boards/search.php?s=]search[/URL] function and find numerous topics like this.

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