It may not be the first but Cedar Point one day will build a 500 footer, what should it be like?

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I voted Giant inveted coaster. I like pain.

I'm sure if someone builds a 500 footer it will be them first.

I'd love to see a long 10,000 foot steel coaster ;) Ok, that won't happen, it would be a $40MM coaster, but I have no idea what else they can do with them right now.

A floorless hyper would be cool. That would be scary, 500 feet up with nothing around you but your restraint! MF was a little like that with the elevated seats.

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500 ft Dinn and Summers with poor tracking sounds better to me. ;)

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There is no way a 500' inverted coaster will ever be built. I KNOW so. Try and prove me wrong in the future, it won't happen.

I've noticed that the taller they get, the shorter they get. The only thing I could be seeing done with a 500 footer is just a taller version of Dragster, which CP doesnt need. It's just too much money for not much of a ride.(I'm not saying TTD is a bad ride, just really short; I'm still waiting til summer to ride it since it was closed this summer when I went.)

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The only thing I could even see remotely possible for an invert would be a 500 foot impulse. I want to see more Gigas built we only got 2. Like to see a hyper B&M invert since Alphie was pretty close. and I think 500' really is starting to push it.

Yeah. A 500' traditional lift would be unfeasible and would require [i]a lot[/i] of space if able to be done. And even with a launch, it would be a pretty tough thing to pull off. Dragster requires a very long stretch of track to get up to 120 in order to clear the 420' hill. Most parks just don't have that kind of space availalbe and if they do, other rides that are more element and experience oriented concepts are more reasonable investments - and appeal to a bigger chunk of the general public.

And TDMAMBA - a 500' impulse is really outrageous. I'd think in order to build an impulse that big, the electromagnetic propulsion systems currently used on operating models now would have to be abandoned for something more economical, reliable, and mostly able to handle the extreme acceleration needed to get trains that high up the 500' spikes. That kind of launch concept currently does not exist and how something like that will be produced, I have no idea. A hydraulic pulley/cable system like on Xcelerator and Dragster will not work on a shuttle coaster given the nature of how the system is setup. Which again, suggests how impossible it would be.

Hmm, I'd prefer to see a coaster with more to it than a large hill, turnaround, and station, which basically describes most of Millennium Force and all of Top Thrill Dragster. Who knows if the 500' mark will be crossed, at least in the next few years, considering the trouble that TTD has had -- far more than simply working out the bugs of a normal new coaster.

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I think it should be a clone of MF since it is a great coaster and it would be even better if it was taller and faster.

im not sure but dont you think a 500 foot chain would be heavy to put on the track and on the supports including a full train

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The thing is though, will people ride a 500 ft coaster?

From what I've heard a lot of the GP is passing on TTD because of the height. Maybe that's bogus info, but that's what I've heard.

The GP thinks something that tall is just a little crazy. Probably only enthusiasts would really want to ride something that tall.

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Five hour q's? Maybe not the General Public, but for thrill seekers its ok.

I think would be the best thing for a lift hill would be a motor on thetrain itslef or a "shuttler" that collected trains at the bottom then dropped the off at the top using motors inside it.

Maybe a FLYING HYPERCOASTER aghhhhhhh new ideas, panic!

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I think Kinzel is trying to compensate for something... ;)

I don't see 500 feet being crossed, no matter who says it. 420 is a far way up and I don't like the idea of that too much. I think we shoudl wait and see exactly what will or won't be at CP in 2007. Some of you might be surprised.

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[QUOTE=bgwfreak]The thing is though, will people ride a 500 ft coaster?

From what I've heard a lot of the GP is passing on TTD because of the height. Maybe that's bogus info, but that's what I've heard.

The GP thinks something that tall is just a little crazy. Probably only enthusiasts would really want to ride something that tall.[/QUOTE]


Not really. People like thrills. The bigger the better. It might scare off some of the 8-12 year old population, but the teenagers/young adults/adults it would attract would make it well worth it.

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[QUOTE=Knoxville]I've noticed that the taller they get, the shorter they get. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, because it's not like the second tallest (full circuit) coaster in the world is also the longest. :p :D

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[QUOTE=jimmycoasterman]Not really. People like thrills. The bigger the better. It might scare off some of the 8-12 year old population, but the teenagers/young adults/adults it would attract would make it well worth it.[/QUOTE]

Yep, because they are the ones that spend the money.

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[QUOTE=BimmerZ3]Yeah, because it's not like the second tallest (full circuit) coaster in the world is also the longest. :p :D[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, you make a good point. I didnt even think about SD2K. But you catch my drift. ;) You know what, I was wrong. I guess I was just thinking about TTD and S:TE :confused:

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I would like it to be an inverted personally but i think we won't see 500ft for at least 5 more years, But they could rush things again.

500 feet for and inverted is really pushing it when considering that even 200 feet has to be hell on the structure. I do see 500 feet being broken sometime in the near future. We have the technology now, but I think other parks will try to be more cautious to avoid another X or TTD. I say it will be easily in the next five years. That's just my prediction though.

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I agree. I think it was to soon for 420ft.

I think a traditional coaster is possible if they use a system similar to Schwarzkopf's lift on the Whizzer in SFGAM. A 500 foot spiral using a motor in the train itself is possible...

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You know, i would love to see a 400ft Launched flying coaster by B&M. I wonder if that will happen within the next 20 years.

Well, I know everyone is saying "Cedar Point does not have a space problem," but lets face it, we all know they can't fit a 500 ft. coaster in! I tears me up inside to say this, lol, but I bet Magic Mountain will build a 500 ft. coaster before Cedar Point does.

All i am asking for is a clone of magnum, just 3 times taller. Now that would be a ride! I would be first in line!! :D

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[QUOTE]All i am asking for is a clone of magnum, just 3 times taller[/QUOTE]

So you want a 600 foot continuous circuit coaster with a chain drive? :rolleyes:, That's boegus.

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I bet a S&S or Intamin drop tower is going to break 500 ft long before a coaster does.

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[QUOTE=rcrider666]im not sure but dont you think a 500 foot chain would be heavy to put on the track and on the supports including a full train[/QUOTE]

Doesn't Steel Dragon 2K have the lift hill divided into two seperate chains because the chain would have been too big if it was one or something like that. I remember they divided it somehow...

[QUOTE=bgwfreak]The thing is though, will people ride a 500 ft coaster?

From what I've heard a lot of the GP is passing on TTD because of the height. Maybe that's bogus info, but that's what I've heard.
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Not as much as you would think. The people who won't ride Dragster are the same people who won't ride MF. Dragster was a huge hit. Everyone I talk to around here loves it. The queue for the coaster was never short this year. People love it.

[QUOTE=coasterkidmwm]Doesn't Steel Dragon 2K have the lift hill divided into two seperate chains because the chain would have been too big if it was one or something like that. I remember they divided it somehow...[/QUOTE]

Yes, SD2K has two separate chains on the lift. If I'm not mistaken, it's for capacity reasons, as they can have one train on each lift chain. In essence, they can have two trains on the same lift that way. I'm not completely positive about this, but that's what I've been told.

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500 Feet huh? Launched is out due to the huge 'runway' needed for the speed. A traditional chain lift won't work because of space/weight concerns. Now an elevator style lift, like what's on MF might have potential. Make the lift hill steeper and you MIGHT have a shot at 500'. An Impulse style would have to be so long that you'd run in to the same concerns as if you were trying to launch it like TTD.

Now...if you think about the new Thrill Life Vekoma coaster, 500 ft. is possible. Highly unlikely that CP would buy a Vekoma, but the concept is possible.

Just a thought.

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