From what I understand, X came off the blueprints and right into the factory then to SFMM. Considering the new features of the train, this ride will be very disorienting and it sounds like they didn't even test it yet. What would happen if X was too new to do and X became a true death machine?

I'll still ride it!

Umm... they DID test it at there Utah plant. X will NOT be a death machine. Arrow or any other sane minded (including S&S) would not let something like this be built un-tested.

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I'll still ride it!

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Oh, ok. Well as long as they've tested it. Its just that from what I've heard this is a last chance from going bankrupt for Arrow and I'm just trying to get my facts straight so I don't sound like an idiot.

Goliath was not "built and tested at a plant" first. Neither was Millenium Force, S:ROS, or pretty much any other coasters or rides.

In fact, the only ones that I know that have really done this in any sort of steady way have been S&S. So if you're scared of riding coasters that have not had "test models" done before they were built, you won't be riding a lot of coasters. Mostly boomerangs and Batman:the rides. :-)

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I never said I was scared. It just seems like a giant waste of money to build a ride straight out of the blueprints, especially a ride like X, but I guess that if they hadn't tested it (which they already have). What if they didn't and went on a hunch and then they tested it and found out their calculations were off and that people would die from all the spinning and stuff? Big waste of money! see my point?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Peckernuts [/i]
[B]I never said I was scared. It just seems like a giant waste of money to build a ride straight out of the blueprints, especially a ride like X, but I guess that if they hadn't tested it (which they already have). What if they didn't and went on a hunch and then they tested it and found out their calculations were off and that people would die from all the spinning and stuff? Big waste of money! see my point? [/B][/QUOTE]
you can never be toooooo sure with SF and Arrow on top of that.

The reason rides like Goliath and MF are not tested is because they are proven to work. What [b]I[/b] meant was a new ride system (FD is the only ride that I know of that was built right at the site and tested there). TA2K's compressed air launch, 4-D's car and extra track, things like that.

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I'm sure Arrow made sure their calculations and everything were right, and plus they test it before people ride it. Also, Arrow tested their pipeline coaster at their plant, which unfortunately never worked out so I'm sure they tested a small version of X.

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from what i know and seen on tv,
every coaster is tested in some way, with computer programs that test the g-forces that will be felt, what the train will run like, and the speed it will travel.

i think any coaster company that builds a coaster without testing it in some sorda program is totally out of their minds.
that would be wasting millions of dollars and ruining their company.

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I dont think SF would have spent all that money on X if it wasn't a sure thing... more so, i dont think they would build something that wasn't guaranteed to be safe. SF is interested in making money, and they certainly wouldnt waste millions on a coaster that's actually a "death machine" that will kill their customers and tarnish their reputation.

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You can never be real sure w/ Arrow, i mean, do i need to bring up "The Bat".

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yes...yes u do need to bring up the bat...and a pipeline was never built because it cost to much.

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Whats wrong with arrow rides? they make nice rides (100% on vekoma)... they use their own software to design and pre-testing "test" the rides they built and im sure they had some sort of smaller scale 4d or a simulator with the same restraints or something

X will not be a death machine. The design of the fourth dimension
makes use of momentum. To get an idea, try swinging an object
suspended from a short string and move the string in loops and hills.
You will notice the object at the end of the string tends to invert around your fingers if you change directions quickly. Imagine your finger is the train on X
and the hanging object is the seat. Now, actually the distance between the
double rails and a tie rod system controls the actual position of the seats, but
the points of spinning will optimize the momentum of the seats. Arrow knows their engineering. Using momentum will dramatically decrease excess g-forces
when the seats spin. Its not just a random unthought spin in the middle of an
already exteme element. In fact, the reason the back flips are in the bunny hops is to use momentum. Also, the hump at the top of the first hill will use momentum to flip the seats into the upside down sky dive position.
FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION! No need to test..... basic physics.

Well with six Flags safety record considered, many six Flags parks are already Death Machines

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i know it will be safe

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that would suck

well i have heard that the during the 1st year, alot of people get hurt then they adjust evry thing and it becomes a less painfull ride

They had conducted tests on the design of the seats which are the main diference between the ride and other hyper coasters...i bet they ran all the figures through a computer tooo befoer building it

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Arrow has too much riding on X for it to be considered unsafe

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[quote]well i have heard that the during the 1st year, alot of people get hurt then they adjust evry thing and it becomes a less painfull ride[/quote]


Oh really? Is that how it works. Build a proto-type and have people ride it for a year to be test dummies ....SHHHHHHUUUURRREEEE. I'm sure 'X' will be tested TONS before it's open. It's not something like Deja Vu where they had to do the cable lifts and verticle lifts and such that could cause problems and delay it for monthes.

As far as coaster dynamics and parts it's basically the same with the lift hill, brakes, and such. I'm sure the majority of the testing will be done on physics and the effects of the manuvers on the body. They'll be sending sand bags, water dummies, and machines through X for the next month. The only thing I could see delaying the opening is a risk to "over expose" you to G's. That second Raven turn looks REALLY intense to me. I'm sure the whole training of employee's will drawn out to make sure the riders are stuck in the restraints.

I was watching a special on either the travel channel or discovery channel...I forgot which one...But they actually built prototype of X's Trains and a Small Section of the track and they showed them testing it out. So i think X is going to be a very safe and enjoyable ride.:D

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RCFreak [/i]
[B]The reason rides like Goliath and MF are not tested is because they are proven to work. What [b]I[/b] meant was a new ride system (FD is the only ride that I know of that was built right at the site and tested there). TA2K's compressed air launch, 4-D's car and extra track, things like that. [/B][/QUOTE]

No coaster was proven to work with a cable lift before Millenium Force. And they are testing the trains in Utah.

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nope. surely not.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by antfarm007 [/i]
[B]Well with six Flags safety record considered, many six Flags parks are already Death Machines [/B][/QUOTE]

yes every six flags ride is a death machine millions of people have died on them

What kind of restrainst is X going to have??

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