why do they have ostr's on coasters like top gun@ PKI, and iron dragon@cp, and other similar rides. they don't even go upside down even so S.O.B@pki does a loop and it doesn't have ostr's, the should change the restraints on all sitdowns, and inverted to just a lap bar, then they would be much more enjoyable. tell me what you think and if you think it can be done!

I think it is to dangerous on an inverted. I think it is also inpossibe to do an ostr because their is no place to even put a lapbar.

Since the suspended coasters, like PKI's Top Gun and CP's Iron Dragon, swing so much, having only lap bars would be a safety risk.

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I think that you are confusing suspended and inverted. As for me I do not see any need for an OTSR on a suspended because there is a floor below you. I think on an inverted with no floor you will have to have an OTSR. As for lapbars on sit-down loopers it seems recently that they are begining to come back.

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That would be funny if I saw lapbars on B&M loopers.

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I believe you mean oTsr's. The only coasters that (IMO) need otsr's are inverted coasters. Everything else could get along fine with plain lap bars.

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Coaster Boy [/i]
[B]I believe you mean oTsr's. The only coasters that (IMO) need otsr's are inverted coasters. Everything else could get along fine with plain lap bars. [/B][/QUOTE]

Where would they put the lapbars on floorless, and stand-up coasters then??? And what about fourth dimentional coasters?

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CedarFairMaster [/i]
[B]Since the suspended coasters, like PKI's Top Gun and CP's Iron Dragon, swing so much, having only lap bars would be a safety risk. [/B][/QUOTE] I agree. I think the purpose of OTSR's on suspended coasters is to keep people from hitting there head on something while it is swinging.

Because suspended coasters swing a lot, having a lap-bar restraint can throw a rider off. Personally, I think they should have restraints like Hypersonic XLC or Flight of Fear (lap-bars w/ foot holder restraints) on any future suspended coasters. Are they even building any new traditional suspended coasters nowadays?

How come the first 2 people that posted in this thread put ostr and not otsr?

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I really don't see what's so bad about them. Everyone thinks that now the solution to all rough rides are to replace the OTSr's with lapbars. I don't see how that could fix every problem on all rides. Yes, it might help a few, but they can't be the complete solution.

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Also, generally, corckscrews and barrel roles tend to put a bit of pressure on riders at funny angles. If a caster only has vertical loops, then they only need lapbars, but the more twists they have, the greater the need for otsr's. Also, good otsr's can be pretty comfortable and minimalise view restriction.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Coaster Boy [/i]
[B]I believe you mean oTsr's. The only coasters that (IMO) need otsr's are inverted coasters. Everything else could get along fine with plain lap bars. [/B][/QUOTE]

And Stand ups too need otsr's!!

4d of course and flying coasters

Loopers..if they dont have heartline twists in them

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I really think that suspended coaster need lapbar restraints instead of OTSR. I just dont think it is needed. Of course, I think suspended coasters need open air trains too.

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I can kind of see why OTSRs are placed on suspended coasters because the cars swing around so much, it could throw you out of the car if you had no restraints for your shoulders. I think it would be cool if they had alpbars and were safe buyt I kinda see why they have OTSRs.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Raging Rider [/i]
[B]How come the first 2 people that posted in this thread put ostr and not otsr? [/B][/QUOTE]

I wrote it because the oter guy wrote it. I thought that was wrong, but i didnt say anything and put what he wrote.

By the way, back to the question, why Top gun (PKI) and Iron Dragon have OTSR, it's because Arrow suspended were designed to do inversions initially. I think the gondolas on the testing prototype jacknifed or folded sideways when going through inversions, so they decided not to make suspended doing inversion. But the train was already designed, so they didn't bother to change it.

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I don't think Corkscrew really needs them. The only coasters that need them are flying, 4d, floorless, inverted, stand up, and LARGE sit down loopers.

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Well i don't about all these other types of coasters, but i do not think suspended coasters need the OTSR. Maybe they could design lapbars coming from the side of the train. But however, its not like the give a rough ride and there is so much headbanging, so i really don't see why they would be replaced. It gives a fine ride how it is.

I would like to see a suspended with Lapbars someday, I would like to see another SUSPENDED someday. They are fine with OTSR, and I see no need for rushed designs of new suspended trains.

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Guess what? You are all wrong. The reason suspended coaster hav Over The Shoulder Restraints is because they use the same frames as Arrow Loopers. Arrow didn't want to design a new riding compartment, so they just used the old one and modified it with the chassis on top.