Has anyone heard/seen anything about the replacement trains?

I mean they are painting the ride an absolutely hideous color, can't wait to see how bad they eff up the trains... OTSR here we come!

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Hopefully we'll know in about 22 hours.. When NorEaster at SFNE ends...

I'll be doing my best to take good notes.

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OMG don't say OTSR!! You'll jinx it! OTSR on a hyper coaster would be the ULTIMATE fail. Then we'll know Six flags is smoking something...

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First thing they brought up new trains part of me wanted to be optimistic that maybe there wouldn't be those awful ankle restraint contraptions anymore, but another part of me feels like they'll make it even worse just because its SF and that seems to be a talent for them.

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Yeah they need to make the lapbars held on by a central pole only, not with little metal bars on the side too. The ankle restraints are mounted on those bars, and they are annoying! Just let us put our feet anywhere in the small space in front of us!
And someone needs to respond to my smoking comment by saying "We knew they were smoking something ever since [event]"

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No, the T-bar is where Intamin fails. It' the U-bar that they need to add on to the coaster. The M-bar is a little too uncomfortable, but an El Toro style restraint would be good.

Toro restraints!

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I actually like the Intamin T-Bar. I understand their limited use and whatnot, but for the typical shaped guest, they provide one of the greatest feelings of freedom.

Which is why TTD will always 1up KK no matter which day of the week it is.

The only problem I have with the KK OTSR is the crouching down to get under the restraint to get seated in the station. This new restraint adaptation came after the guy fell out of SFNE's SROS first restraint interration, stated for the millionth time in the defense of this SF move. The new restraint during the ride does not bother me like Maverick's had. It could manage with the much less twists quite well.

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I really think the restraints alone are why I really did not like Maverick. It was like the old Arrow horsecollars but ten times worse. It made for an incredibly uncomfortable ride for me. TTD's restraints are very comfortable for me, however, and I could be considered 'of unique body shape.' Even though I have never ridden KK, I am fairly certain that I will not like it as much as TTD because of the more restrictive restraints. I like to feel like I'm barely held in when going 124 mph, thank you very much! The fewer rides with those style restraints, the better.

I'd hate to not enjoy one of the top coasters in the world because of it's restraint system ... the color, I can get over.

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Well said Viloakat! I agree, WHY ARE THERE OTSRs on non-inverting coasters? The thrill on those comes from air air air, and that doesn't work well if you use a restraint that kills it, now does it? On looping coasters I'm fine with it. (never felt an Intamin otsr, B&M's are comfy except that they need more arm room, it's hard to put your hands up if the person next to you is trying as well.)

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Maverick inverts into 2 corkscrews or whatever the fancy name for them is. I've heard about the flume incidents as well. It's still weird that Perilous Plunge at Knott's has the OTSR.


I saw photos that SROS' lift is still red. The valleys are mostly red. The apex of hills are purple. It's like the coaster has cancer. So does Lex purple = negative G's and Superman red = positive G's? Does that make El Toro have plenty of Lex?

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I think you're reading too much into it. I'm sure they'll paint the easier parts red. After all, the valleys are close to the ground and the lift has a staircase. Where are these pics?

And in my opinion, the Intamin OTSRs don't kill airtime at all, they just make it less exciting because you feel safer. On Kingda Ka I always feel like I'm in a cage. What worries me is that they put OTSRs on non inverting accelerators, and might feel compelled to do it here as well.



The new Mega-lite coasters by Intamin, two built in 2008 two under construction, still use the old classic T-bar. So we won't know till we know.
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Got a little info at Nor Easter. The new trains will not have OTSR's. They will be more accommodating to the rides.

The coaster will be completely painted with the blue and purple.

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I heard about the delay til about June. That's plenty of time to do the rest of the ride. In NJ though they just barreled right through it with Medusa. I guess the weather has been more nasty up there. I guess you won't combine the reds of SROS and Mind Eraser anymore when you look at the rides.

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^But what about the colors of Batman?

Batman - The Dark Knight (Six Flags New England)

So one blue and purple coaster is a villain, the other is a hero. Six Flags made the same mistake when the made GAdv's Batman yellow right next to an already yellow Nitro.

I can at least see the difference of the shades of yellow at SFGADV. The rides are just a few feet shy of forming a huge optical illusion "X."

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I think the yellows look exactly the same. It's the pink rail ties on Nitro that give it a different look, and the supports are blue rather than black on Batman.

Either way, the colors are close enough to confuse somebody, and it'll be almost as bad at SFNE with Batman and whatever Superman will be renamed.

YAY NO OTSRs!! U bar or T bar?
Also, when in June? I am going during the second or third week on a school trip, if SROS isn't open then, I will be officially p'ed off.

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^I'd say for SF, that's cutting it close.

I think we can all agree that switching the colors of Superman to purple and blue was a terrible idea. Even more so because the Batman ride has pretty much an identical scheme.

But it is good to hear about lap bars remaining for this ride. Keep in mind, the only reason Intamin has been forced to use OTSR's in certain instances is because of a couple deaths which were linked to either operator or rider error. If the fat person at Knott's would have been told to leave the line, Perilous Plunge would probably still have lap bars. If the overweight dude on Superman was asked to get out of line, there's a chance Kingda Ka would have the lap bars as well. If the highly restricted limitations on all t-bar rides was similar to the operation of Xcelerator at Knotts, or if guests who've died that were of "larger stature" were more responsible for themselves, there'd probably be no deaths associated with the Intamin t-bar.

I think it will be a T-bar, because the mega-lite coasters that opened last year both have T-bars on a classic Intamin mega coaster train.

MA is against the T-bar. I didn't get a chance to ask but you will like see oen of the other lap bar styles.

As for the Batman and Superman Color scheme they don't clash at all.



The track on batman is actually a bit darker but the sun was against it on this photo.

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Wow one giant blob of purple!
Did the trains have t-bars when the person died on Sros? Anyways, the problem was that the bar wasn't effective if it couldn't be lowered a certain distance, but now that problem is overcome! At first they had the go / no go strap which if you couldn't connect it the lapbar wasn't down enough, now they just have lapbar sensors so that if the lapbar is too far up (the person is too fat) the train will not leave the station. What I dislike about the U-Bar is the limited leg room, if they made it wider it would be nice. The problem is that they can't make the U-bar the same width as the seat because it is attatched on both sides, and it would hit the divider or something. Those ankle restraints are annoying too.

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Well, El Toro doesn't have ankle restraints does it?

Anyway, the M bar is even worse than the U or the T because you have no movement whatsoever.

The T-bar is fine now, it's still being used by Intamin on new coasters. However maybe SFNE could add side bars like those on Xcelerator.

Chances are the restraints won't change in my opinion.

SFNE was using the t bar when the person got thrown out. The ankle restraints were one of the changes made to make MA happy. They woudl not be able to operate a T bar without ankle restraints. I don't really think they could buy new trains with them because there was a stipulation that future rides could not use them.

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Hm I guess. What is an M bar? A U bar with a middle post too? Pictures?

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Other way around; it's a T-bar with side posts. All of the S:ROS's got the side posts added on to the T-bars after the accident at SFNE.

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Why can't they use a modified T-bar like newer Intamins? It seems like that would be the best option.

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