Racers and Dueling coasters need option for more than 1 count

Sir Willow · #1 08-15-2002, 11:45 PM

As an example, twisted sisters/ twins at SFKK allows itself to only be counted once, but anyone who's riden will tell you that Lola and Stella, while similar, are definately different coasters that should be able to be counted once for each side.

Same with many racing coasters, especially when you add in those that allow you to ride backwards. I know many, many people that will count once for each side, and, if one side has gone forwards and backwards, to count it once for each direction.

Just some additions that you might want to think about.

Sir Willow · #2 08-16-2002, 12:04 AM

Oh, also, trying to submit updated park info returns an "admin only page" error, so there are some parks and coasters that I would like to add and am not able to using the standard links.

oramonster · #3 08-16-2002, 02:10 AM

I disagree. I would go with how the parks market said dueling/racing coasters. If the park considers them two coasters, then they should be two coasters in the database. If the park considers them one (Gemini, Lighting Racer, etc) then they should count as one in the database.

Brett K · #4 08-16-2002, 09:05 AM

Technically, Gemini is two different coasters though. They are on different tracks, are they not? yes, they have basically the same layout, but you had to wait in two different lines to ride each of them.

Some coasters, IE Twisted Twins, Matterhorn and Space Mountain should be listed as two should definitly be two b/c they have different layouts and different lengths.

Dueling Dragons and Lightning Racers are listed as two coasters, why not the others?

RiFT · #5 08-16-2002, 11:44 AM

Ora Monster, I disagree. SFGAdv. considers Batman and Robin: The Chiller to be one coaster, as it is in the database now. I'd say 90% of the people on this message board think of it as two.

Then again, Rolling Thunder is considered one, even though it has two seperate, slightly different tracks.

I think we should have the personal right to choose.

oramonster · #6 08-16-2002, 01:19 PM

RiFT, I think we should go by what the park says, not by what we personally think....what happens if I think Rolling Thunder is one but you think it's two? We need a standard. 90% of the people thought the world was flat...but that doesn't make it correct. As far as Gemini is concerned, it's hard to justify it as wating in two different lines. You use one entrance, one station, even up to the time you ride, you have a choice between the two different sides. Perhaps we should go by the number of loading stations a ride has. If it has two, separate, distinct stations, layouts, and such, then it's two diff. rides, if the ride shares a station, then it's one ride. Just my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.
-Seth

RiFT · #7 08-16-2002, 01:58 PM

Okay, SFGAdv. considers Freefall, an Intamin first generation drop ride a roller coaster, do you think that should go on my count? And what about people who have been on Demon Drop at CP, CP doesn't consider that a roller coaster, so I get an Intamin drop on my count, but others don't?

Parks make one coaster into two just to advertise, or make two into one just for the sake of less ink to print out in their park maps.

Dueling Dragons is posted as one attraction in IoA's map. So it's one coaster, right? Suure ...

Brett K · #8 08-16-2002, 03:01 PM

Oramonster, if that's the case, then take off Gwazi and Lightning Racers from Dueling/Racing coasters becuase they both share the same station.

Whereas, Space Mountain WDW and Matterhorn at Disneyland do not share the same station.

Sir Willow · #9 08-16-2002, 11:46 PM

See, right here is exactly the point I was trying to make- a lot of people count the coasters in different ways. And it should be up to each person as to how they want to count their coasters.

If you want a standard, as Oramonster is asking for, then how do you decide what that standard it, and whose to go by? You won't even have agreement on that. Me personally I would rather go by ACE's standards than a parks.

If you have the options to choose multiple tracks, that doesn't mean that you have to use them. If you don't want to count Gemini red and blue separately, then you don't have to. No one is forcing you to. But if don't allow people to choose to count both, then you are imposing your standard on them- something that a lot of people will resent.

Additionally, I don't know how many racing and dueling coasters you've been on, but the ones that I've been on have definately delivered different kinds of rides on each side. And since a huge number of other enthusiasts also count them separately I do think that it's important that their desires are considered also.

***Chip*** · #10 08-17-2002, 01:40 AM

I can change em. I have Dueling Dragons, Gwazi, and Lightning Racer as two counts. Just send me a PM telling me the coaster and the names (ie, Fire and Ice, or Thunder and Lightning) and I'll change it. I'll only change it if they are significantly different, though. If they're just total racers, like Gemini that are the same layout, I'll leave it as is.

Sir Willow · #11 08-20-2002, 12:39 PM

Not to be rude Chip, but why your standard as opposed to what a huge number of enthusiasts do? I know a ton of them that count racers as one of for each side (shoot, even guiness did with Colossus on that record breaking trek a couple of years back), and then when one side it turned around backwards they'll count another.

Yes, I realize that not everyone counts that way. But if you want your site user friendly to the most people out there, then the option should be there for people to use as they desire, not as someone dictates to them. Otherwise you're shutting out a great number of people.

WoC used to allow you to vote on both sides of racers, as if they were separate coasters.

CoasterCount would allow you to count a coaster more than once in the case of racers.

thispagecannotbedisplayed allows you to count a coaster more than once to allow for preferences.

You'd be making an arbitrary decision to eliminate the choice of many, many enthusiasts- not something that I would think would be a wise decision.

***Chip*** · #12 08-20-2002, 02:19 PM

You know what, you're right. I don't know why I was thinking that. Go ahead and send me a PM of coasters with dual tracks (duelers, racers, duelers/racers). Same track, doesn't matter to me! But I will count Racer at Kennywood as one since in reality, it is one. Mobius coasters don't count.

So, send 'em in, and I'll get Kraken, as they say. Thanks for pointing that out.

Chris L · #13 08-21-2002, 05:08 AM

I agree with Oramonster.

If it is marketed, titled, and sold to the public under one name, under "one ride", then it should count as one.

Whether it be dueling, racing, combo, etc.

***Chip*** · #14 08-21-2002, 02:16 PM

But what if it's two entirely different rides? You simply cannot count Dueling Dragons as one coaster. What if you put Kumba right next to Wildfire and called them dueling/racing? Would it be one count, or two since they're two different coasters? I say two, and I'm changing coasters like that to two counts so people can have the option of counting it once or twice.

Chris L · #15 08-21-2002, 08:39 PM

Yeah. That's a good point. But then Windjammer Surf Racers would have to be seperated too.

WJ red and WJ yellow were not completely identical. Halfway through the course, they actual split up to maneuver a dueling section only to meet up again to do the helix finale.