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News: Knott’s getting Cedar Point’s Demon Drop

Posted Wednesday, October 21st, 2009 at 2:24 am by Chip

Knott’s Berry Farm will get Demon Drop next season.

The ride, which opened at Cedar Point in 1983, will open Memorial Day weekend.  Demon Drop will have the same name, paint scheme and theme. Cedar Point put the ride for sale in 2005 but did not find a buyer.

Demon Drop is an Intamin first-generation drop tower. It is 131 feet tall and features vehicles with four-across seating. Riders fall vertically and curve to level out on their backs.

Demon Drop will replace Screamin’ Swing, an upcharge S&S swing ride.

Nearby Six Flags Magic Mountain dismantled its Intamin first-generation drop tower, Freefall, in 2008.

For more, visit the Los Angeles Times travel blog.

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  1. ElBarto's Avatar ElBarto says:

    I think this is a great idea, I love 1st Generation Intamin Drop Towers and was sad to see Freefall at MM go.

    These rides provide so much more air than any S&S tower, especially Supreme Scream.

    Believe it or not, this may actually get me into Knotts, as I've had no desire to visit the park (nor Haunt) for the past 3 years.

  2. Andrew P's Avatar Andrew P says:

    Boo!! I disagree with this move. Cedar Point had better put a kickass ride in its place for 2011 instead of more money-grabbing arcade games.

  3. rider-x's Avatar rider-x says:

    because if they dont put a kick as& ride in the park will automatically suck right?

  4. Sokeman's Avatar Sokeman says:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leo C
    One post in 9 years?! This is the only thing that got you going?
    I've dozens of other message boards that I frequent regularly this past decade. I can't be everywhere at once. Besides...Wes scares me.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by go_me
    You know what? I really wish more of that made sense. A lot of it was totally unrelated to what you quoted...
    If you'd taken the time to do some research my responses hopefully would've made more sense. But...if you want my thoughts bluntly put, alright. Cedar Fair LP made out like a bandit with the purchase of KBF. They've got a theme park where attendance is affected a lot whenever they're so-called "rivals" nearby invest in a major attraction (not to mention almost half of their yearly revenue is accrued in a single month). Whenever something is added to the ride roster it has usually ended in the removal of stuff that made KBF so quaint & charming. The only expansion that has been done is a water park in an already over-saturated region. And, to top it all off, Cedar Fair LP snagged a cash cow with Snoopy & the Peanuts™ gang. Of course, you're not a local so it's difficult to see it from my perspective...but installing something like an amusement ride that many connect with SFMM stands a good chance of backfiring.



    By the way...the above photograph is undoctored.

  5. Marcus's Avatar Marcus says:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chris L View Post
    What did you assume I meant when I typed revenue? Just admission tickets? Definitely not.
    I assumed you figured because Knott's had a larger attendance, it meant they brought in more revenue. I always believed Cedar Point brought in more revenue than Knott's despite being a seasonal park, so I was just curious when you claimed otherwise. If you do have a statement from Dick Kinzel, then my assumption is indeed incorrect.

    The only article I was able to find was this one...
    toledoblade.com --

    In 2006, Cedar Fair disclosed individual park statistics stating that Cedar Point properties pulled in $210 million in 2005. On the other end, Knott's Berry Farm had revenue of $186 million the same year. Unfortunately, the figures include out-of-park revenue from both park's hotel properties and waterparks. So the article doesn't give us a definite answer.

  6. VF76's Avatar VF76 says:

    Will it still break your back at the end? That was my favorite part.

  7. ElBarto's Avatar ElBarto says:

    ^^^I'm sorry, I STILL don't understand one point you're trying to make nor how what you're saying relates to how moving this ride to Knotts will backfire?

    I've been a local for life, and its still difficult for me to see it from your perspective...

    They're putting an old ride they couldn't sell in place of an up charge attraction that's never made money. It'll bring some life to that part of the park, and it won't require major demolition or change. The ambiance of the original Knott's is gone forever, so making that point is pretty mute, its been that way the second they decided to install Silver Bullet. I'm stoked I'll have one of these in my backyard, and anyone who wants to complain about the roughness, I'll take that to feel some real free fall over an S&S tower any day.

  8. Sokeman's Avatar Sokeman says:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ElBarto
    I'm sorry, I STILL don't understand one point you're trying to make nor how what you're saying relates to how moving this ride to Knott's will backfire? I've been a local for life, and its still difficult for me to see it from your perspective...
    Well...I don't see any reason to continue explaining myself on this topic. I feel like I'm being scammed & that's all what matters to me. KBF will not be receiving my patronage for yet another year.

    For pity's sake...and now CP is planning to hold some sort of contest to be the last riders on Demon Drop.

  9. Andrew P's Avatar Andrew P says:

    ^They hold contests for those who want to be first riders, so why not?

  10. Sokeman's Avatar Sokeman says:

    And now we're made aware that the Screamin' Swing is destined for Great America. Odd choice since it's very likely that that amusement park is slated to be the next Geauga Lake conversion.

    California’s Great America to add swing ride, re-theme kids area for 2010 - Travel - LATimes.com

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Andrew P
    They hold contests for those who want to be first riders, so why not?
    I just don't remember this much fanfare over a flat before. But since it's safe to assume it'll be replaced with the CGI wooden twister previously slated for GA I guess CP patrons have a reason to celebrate.

  11. Katie's Avatar Katie says:

    Didn't Robin Innes say nothing is slated to go into that area right now?

  12. ElBarto's Avatar ElBarto says:

    From what I remember, and by looking at Google maps, it seems like a GCI wouldn't fit, and if they found some way to squeeze it in, it would really crowd up the front of the park.

    I don't consider Demon Drop/Freefalls a normal kind of flat. And plus the ride is so nostalgic with old school park goers, that I think a "last rides" contest is in order. Of course Magic Mountain didn't do one for theirs, maybe they knew something we didn't...

  13. Sokeman's Avatar Sokeman says:

    I do find it humorous that the prominent fan-site forums dedicated to CP & KI have lengthy threads lamenting over the transplant of Demon Drop. There didn't seem nearly as much disgruntlement over the loss of White Water Landing making way for the Maverick installation. Not to mention the worries that this might be the start of the "ride rotation" that Jeff Gramke, manager of facilities, engineering & construction at KI, spoke of. Needless to state but Cedar Fair LP isn't making many friends west of the Rockies.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Katie
    Didn't Robin Innes say nothing is slated to go into that area right now?
    http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/lo...e_tfajr_102109

    According to the recent article above, "Innes is unsure what will replace the thrill ride, but said the land near the park entrance might be used for redevelopment. He said the park has moved rides in the past to make room for roller coasters." So...make of it what you will.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ElBarto
    From what I remember...it seems like a GCI wouldn't fit...
    If they bought it, they'll make it fit.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ElBarto
    Of course SFMM didn't do one for theirs, maybe they knew something we didn't...
    That's probably because Freefall remained SBNO for at least 2 years before being scrapped that it'd been most likely cost prohibitive to get it working for such a sendoff. Speaking of which, we'll see if after all the costs of transporting, erecting & maintenance for Demon Drop payoff for KBF...or it becomes the farce that infamous HUSS Condor was for it's one & only season at SFMM.

  14. Marcus's Avatar Marcus says:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ElBarto View Post
    From what I remember, and by looking at Google maps, it seems like a GCI wouldn't fit.
    I would have to agree with this, for the most part. I also examined Google maps to view the area available. It looks like there's enough room for a roller coaster station and queue line. The building next to it is the busiest restrooms in the park which would be tough to relocate somewhere at the front, along with the rental center/lockers. They could knock out a large amount of employee parking. But this would reduce the overall amount of area available for guests to park and with parking shortages already on the busiest days, I also can't see this happening.

    The only plausible way I could see a GCI at the front of the park would be to build the station at the former Demon Drop site. Knock out only a couple rows of parking and build the lift in it's place. Demolish DT and put most of the roller coaster layout in it's place. You would have to design the coaster to still allow access to vehicles into the park via the employee entrance and also build above the new storage area for the MMIC floats.

  15. raser's Avatar raser says:

    ^ If done correctly a good coaster can take up little room other than wasted space around other attractions. Or if there is room outside the park (Some unused area of the parking lot) you can build under the parking lot walkways or landscaping. I don't know if this is possible at CP though due to the water table.

  16. ElBarto's Avatar ElBarto says:

    ^I think everyone on here pretty much understands that if they want to fit a coaster anywhere they can...but that doesn't necessarily mean it won't ruin the aesthetics of the park, which is something Cedar Point tends to avoid with their rides.

    Look at Silver Bullet at Knott's...yeah, they fit it over pretty much everything that was previously in the park...but at what cost? There's this big ugly red and yellow track everywhere and not only does it shrink the size of the park (meaning it practically takes up 1/4 of the parks space), it basically sticks out like a sore thumb no matter where you look at it from.

    Plopping a coaster, a wood coaster nonetheless, would ruin the main plaza that is generally open space and allows guests to walk a bit down the midway and enjoy the scenery before they're surrounded by coasters. Cedar Fair might suck at installing rides at Knotts, but they've always seemed to be particularly careful where they place them at Cedar Point.

  17. Michael C's Avatar Michael C says:

    Wish S&S towers everywhere in CA i can see why CF thought this to be a good move. It also says a lot that they trust the maintenance crew to be able to handle an older ride. I would imagine though the rid would be rehabbed to be less maintenance heavy.

    the move of the swings to CGA seems to make less sense. maybe they figure f the park is down sized such an up-charge attraction can stay.

  18. Leo C's Avatar Leo C says:

    I hope they do send it to the rumored alternate site: Michigan Adventures.

  19. coasterell's Avatar coasterell says:

    from what I've heard corporate is a little ticked that the news leaked about Demon Drop and it is now heading to Dorney Park.

  20. raser's Avatar raser says:

    T+T stated it was going to California, so the leak was probably premeditated...

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